as the title says
Good ?
Bad ?
another liberty taken away from us ?
[b]please keep this civil if at all possible [/b]
...it could effect you ! 😉
I thought it was just pron featuring kids which is to be banned?
[i]pron featuring kids [/i]
I think you'll find that
a) child abuse is not 'pornography'
and
b) it's already illegal
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Every household in the UK is to have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron is to announce
Panic over.
New Broadband accounts only = Family filters on and only removed by request to the provider.
Simulated rape porn and porn suspected of containing <18yo made illegal digitally. Good thing too IMO.
From what I gather you can request not to have the blocking in place ("I'd like to see porn please").
I just think it's impossible to implement. Having been involved with a few blocking methods in my work, none of them actually block porn 100% and they all block stuff they shouldn't.
If this is to stop kids accessing the wrong stuff, they will always find a way round it if they want to; if it's to stop paedos, they definitely will find a way round it.
I think you'll find thata) child abuse is not 'pornography'
and
b) it's already illegal
Sadly it's not blocked automatically and this is what they were initially pushing for but Cameron has brought down the ban hammer on all porn.
and will you choose to receive it ? probably be a register made of people that have registered which will be made public...
....looks into the future gonna be a lot more stressed people...
will it cause porn to go underground ?
Easy enough to opt in, but its another decision by the government that encourages lazy parenting. Parents should take responsibility and reasonable steps to monitor and stop their kids from finding or wanting to find porn, not rely on some ISP level filter.
Tbh, as soon as anyone starts mentioning 'child porn' in the same context as legal porn in the context of internet filtering I get very suspicious and doubt the motives.
Any Govt meddling with the internet is a Bad Thing. It will start with "Think of the children" and end with more and more search criteria falling into their definition of 'unacceptable'
If you've not done so, visit the Guardian project and download TOR.
Parents should take responsibility and reasonable steps to monitor and stop their kids from finding or wanting to find porn, not rely on some ISP level filter.
Well is that not what it's allowing? The parents to choose and make it easy to block it if the choose not to allow easy access, rather than having to learn how to do it with routers or software.
Can I still get The Kays Catalogue?
I think you'll find thata) child abuse is not 'pornography'
and
b) it's already illegal
Well, it's often referred to as "kiddie porn" or child pornography. Not my words. Perhaps I could have chosen my words better though.
It may be illegal but it seems from the news and the amount of indecent images that get found on puters that it's available. I'm in favour of any measures that reduce the material available. Bit stupid lumping it in with the legal stuff though.
What is pron ?
Have a look at the local magazine shop and although the soft stuff is on the top shelf, you still get Zoo / Nuts which are not much different to the pron you would get back in my school days.
The cat is out of the bag now. There is no way you can stop it. Even in China they cant block the internet. Sure, they try, but they are loosing the race.
Can I still get The Kays Catalogue?
Retro****.
ONGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!Just seen on the news hundreds of cameras outside the royal hospital this must be stopped theres a rumour the baby will be born naked arrest them all everyone is a nonce. Turn your telly off quick or you will be too!!!!!
Too late....
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It's just another excuse for crap parents to avoid doing anything themselves to protect their children from inappropriate content and then blame the isp when their child still finds porn.
What's more worrying is the fact that it's being forced upon people regardless and it's down to the individual to opt out, not the other way around.
Have they changed their minds from just getting the ISPs to help them pretend they've introduced a new policy then?
"Without changing what you will be offering (ie active-choice +), the prime minister would like to be able to refer to your solutions [as] 'default-on'""Would you be able to commit to including 'default-on' or similar language both in the set-up screen and public messaging?"
Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?
What exactly constitutes a porn site and who defines it? The likes of tumblr and flickr arent primarily used for porn but there is alot of adult content on there - does that mean they will be blocked?
In any case child or rape porn is pretty easy to avoid - its not something people are going to stumble upon by accident and IMO there is more objectional content relating to sexualising children on websites like the daily mail than the average porn site.
Government - for when you're just too stupid to curb your own Internet surfing
Does that mean if kids want to see boobies they'll have to search along railway sidings looking for unblocked laptops and tablets?
I remember having to phone vodafone and ask them to unblock "restricted access" because it wouldnt let me look at the [url= http://www.hollandandholland.com/ ]Holland & Holland[/url] website.
Im probably on some double barrelled ( 😉 ) fetishist database somewhere now.
What exactly constitutes a porn site and who defines it? The likes of tumblr and flickr arent primarily used for porn but there is alot of adult content on there - does that mean they will be blocked?
Also, who defines rape porn? Seeing as it seems to be very hard to convict actual rape cases, isn't there going to be a massive grey area between obvious violent sadistic rape porn and 'mild coercion' or 'slightly reluctant' porn or whatever. And what about rape scenes in mainstream films/tv? Ok in context but then if a clip was taken out of the film and hosted on a porn site.....
I'm obviously not in favour of it but it seems a very tricky thing to try and police.
there is more objectional content relating to sexualising children on websites like the daily mail than the average porn site.
Its ironic they were behind the campaign, they are now claiming a victory (along side pictures of celebs and members of the public in bikinis).
Maybe its t direct more traffic at their "sidebar of shame"?
Well is that not what it's allowing? The parents to choose and make it easy to block it if the choose not to allow easy access, rather than having to learn how to do it with routers or software.
What it will do is let lazy parents assume their kids are safe from 'harmful content' when in reality it will take a lot more than a government mandated filter to stop kids from seeing this stuff. We all know that the filters wont be very good, but a lot of parents won't, so it sets a dangerous default position imo.
Welcome to turkmenistan folks.
Wonder if the Daily Star is in favour?
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Another attempt at the government trying to control something they don't fully understand.
it'll cause more harm that good, with porn sites finding quick work arounds and legitimate sites being blocked.
and as said above, pedo's will 100% find a work around.
It took all of 60 minutes for someone to develop a work around for the block on Pirate Bay/KAT etc. Even if you can opt in, it'll probably work out quicker to just use a proxy workaround.
Cameron on R4 just a moment ago has stressed that the timing of this is absolutely nothing to do with Lynton Crosby. 😆
There are two issues here - the blocking of child abuse images which the majority of isp's/ search engines etc do when they become aware of them anyway and are generally hidden away on the dark net so this is more of a headline grabber than anything that will make a huge difference.
The mainstream legal porn filters that they are harping on about I think will just instil a false sense of security in parents who have limited technical ability. Their kids will just set up proxy servers etc and porn away to their hearts content whilst mummy and daddy think they are viewing photos of teddy bears and fluffy clouds.
It is down to parents to help educate their kids on what is and isn't safe.
Quite ironic, given that cameron is such a (rhymes with) banker
What it will do is let lazy parents assume their kids are safe from 'harmful content' when in reality it will take a lot more than a government mandated filter to stop kids from seeing this stuff
Nothing has changed then.
I reckon this will end up with a lot of previously law abiding citizens who are into bdsm etc being taken to court to be prosecuted with badly written legislation that is highly open to interpretation.
You will get perfectly decent women and men ending up as registered sex offenders and their choice in pornography will be the subject of the red tops and the chattering masses all in the name of entertainment...theres nothing like humiliating people.
"Ohh she/he likes fantasizing about being tied/tying up and being spanked/spanking....the dirty whore/rapist"
Our victorian attitudes never left....watch.
And both Cameron and that really annoying Claire Parry have both said that CEOP has been given more money since 2010 and both have been challenged that in real terms it has actually been cut as its such a paltry increase and both have banged on about - 'No, it has been given more money'.
Ridiculous...
Just how will that happen then?
Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?
I bet it will and they will be extra monitored {goes to hunt for tin-foil hat and good old paper based porn}
I bet the porn shop on the corner and the studios that still make DVDs are loving it.
Perhaps this is a way to kick start the UK economy and bring the highstreet back to life!
From what I gather you can request not to have the blocking in place ("I'd like to see porn please").I just think it's impossible to implement. Having been involved with a few blocking methods in my work, none of them actually block porn 100% and they all block stuff they shouldn't.
If this is to stop kids accessing the wrong stuff, they will always find a way round it if they want to; if it's to stop paedos, they definitely will find a way round it.
THIS basically
Solving a problem the middle england way- ie knee jerk reaction that wont stop anyone from doing anything [ except the really computer illiterate]but will make some hand wringers feel safer whilst praying to win the "war" on drugs and immigration
TBh I would not object to child porn remaining illegal and also stopping rape porn but I would be surprised if there is an effective method of doing this- Perhpas I could sit on a committee that approves all internet porn...it would be a sacrifice but for the nation I would be up for it [ See what i did there}
And would you want to be on it when it's inevitably hacked/leaked?Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?
Tom_W1987 - Member
I reckon this will end up with a lot of previously law abiding citizens who are into bdsm etc being taken to court to be prosecuted with badly written legislation that is highly open to interpretation.You will get perfectly decent women and men ending up as registered sex offenders and their choice in pornography will be the subject of the red tops and the chattering masses all in the name of entertainment...theres nothing like humiliating people.
"Ohh she/he likes fantasizing about being tied/tying up and being spanked/spanking....the dirty whore/rapist"
Our victorian attitudes never left....watch.
there must be some sort of tory minister exemption clause or the entire cabinet will be going down
we all know they like to play 'the panzer commander and the milkmaid'
'the panzer commander and the milkmaid'
ACHTUNG! Milke Meine koch, sweinhund! SNELLMAKEN!
Perhpas I could sit on a committee that approves all internet porn
You laugh but there is someone in China who has this job role - the job posting was made last yet on the Gov website 😆
They really want three options:
- no porn
- porn plus normal internet
- only porn
