Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/kitten-block/
10 questions about Cameron's porn filter asked well here:
http://paulbernal.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/10-questions-about-camerons-new-porn-blocking/
Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?
…for the 'erosion of adulthood'.
10 questions about Cameron's porn filter asked well here:
Sadly, I suspect that they're going to remain unanswered
TODAY FREEDOM DIED!!!!
I'm ****ing outraged, i've been if a fair bit of porn and
I consider it a form of expression.Performing is an expression of my femininity and my internal desires, is my femininity and its expression somehow dangerous??
I'm **** outraged, i've been if a fair bit of porn and
Please email me the links. Ta. 
whatnobeer +1
And would you want to be on it when it's inevitably hacked/leaked?
It's gonna be a bloody big excel file
So does this mean that i'm a criminal for lets some people spank me till i bleed?
I think the chance of the tories winning the next election are slightly below zero.
I wonder if the Daily Mail actually does more harm than legal porn.
It might be a gateway to prejudice, bigotry and xenophobia. I wonder how many EDL members read the Daily Mail before signing up to join EDL?
So does this mean that i'm a criminal for lets some people spank me till i bleed?
Sadly, the law is already woolly enough to allow an assault conviction to be pursued in that case; consent doesn't come into it.
At the risk of being a bit Daily Mail "slippery slope / thin end of the wedge" fallacy (phallusy, ho ho!), what concerns me is that when the filtering technology is established and proven, it's fairly inevitable that the next step is to use it to enforce other laws. It'd be a sad state of affairs if a couple in a loving relationship ended up on the sex offenders list for shopping for floggers.
And it's not just sex either, of course. Trying to buy drugs on the Internet? Organising an illegal rave? Torrenting last night's Big Brother? It seems highly unlikely that this tech will go in and then the government won't want to use it.
Torrenting last night's Big Brother?
Do people actually watch this stuff?
and will you choose to receive it ?
Yes
probably be a register made of people that have registered which will be made public...
Fine. If you are worried about your wife/friends finding out about that
You have the wrong wife/friends.
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Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?
And would you want to be on it when it's inevitably hacked/leaked?
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Same old story, there's things you can legally do, legally film, legally share but the person you share with could be committing an offence. Genius.
How will this even work considering that so much material these days is not hosted on porn sites? Consider Reddit for example a legitimate site where in certain areas there is plenty of interesting content to be found but the individual images are hosted on sites such as imgur. Tumblr as well, how do you manage that one?
I've watched it all anyway.
Have they considered all the additional pregnancies which will inevitably occur if they ban internet grot?
You know when i was a child, in the later days of the cold war they used to say the west was free, i really used to believe that as well, sadly i no longer do.
You know when i was a child, in the later days of the cold war they used to say the west was free, i really used to believe that as well, sadly i no longer do.
From what I remember of the 80s access to pornography was severely limited.
From what I remember of the 80s access to pornography was severely limited.
yea i was about 9 at the time, lol
will be interesting.
I've seen people observe images of gangbangs or more males with 1 female sex scenarios and describe it as gang rape. Of course all these scenarios are legal and consentual (not my thing, before anyone asks :lol:)
it only takes a few over zealous people on google hitting the report function to cause havoc as the costs to police it all spiral out of control
I can imagine Max Hardcore's lawyers would have a very interesting exchange of words with the UK Gov when he files for loss of earnings.
A good post on this from one of them feminist types
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/not-that-porn-blocking-bollocks-again/
I think this will create some very interesting conversations between married couples!
I logged on to talktalk (my isp) the other day to check the bill and the first thing it did was force me to click one way or the other about a porn filter (by another name). On clicking (fortunately the right choice!) button it immediately emailed our shared email account with my decision to block. I dunno, maybe Mrs C was a closet S&M fan and is gutted by my choice!
Another interesting read.
Also,
Sites like Behance - a creative social network for everyone from photographers & designers to fine artists and fashion designers.
They have their own built in content filter as quite a lot of work in the art world can be very mature. Whilst not exactly porn it is definitely full frontal nudity, and in some extreme cases, images of sex acts.
This is the minority of work on the site (Less than 1%) - most is really high caliber design, photography, branding etc that is totally SFW.
Will they get hit by the ban hammer?
best self censor that
And what about wikipedia?! They have images of genitals, genitals with STI's, and definitions of sex acts all over them.
The more you look into this the more it looks like the start of a book burning.
@nealg - what about employers, your neighbours, the teachers at the school your kids go to, agencies of other countries your applying for a visa for (looking at you Amerka).
How about being on a government watch list as you clearly have depraved views so your internet activity is monitored closely?
What happens when they want you to opt in to view certain political views / commentary etc?
This is a dangerous dangerous move that will not achieve its stated aims.
The more you look into this the more it looks like the start of a book burning.
No it does not look anything like that it is not even close to that
Government control of a free information resource? No thanks.
The stance against abuse seems OK (with provisos) but ultimately it'll be ineffective (Google etc try to block that stuff anyway).
No it does not look anything like that it is not even close to that
Yes, yes it does...
They really want three options:- no porn
- porn plus normal internet
- only porn
Could we have a
- porn + STW option?
For my friend.
😆
There's going to be some very very pissed off teens living with mum when they realise she's blocked their porn! Sales of replacement keyboards (liquid damage) will no doubt slump.
“All of us can think of a book... that we hope none of our children or any other children have taken off the shelf. But if I have the right to remove that book from the shelf -- that book I abhor -- then you also have exactly the same right and so does everyone else. And then we have no books left on the shelf for any of us.” Katherine Patterson
There's going to be some very very pissed off teens living with mum when they realise she's blocked their porn! Sales of replacement keyboards (liquid damage) will no doubt slump.
It'll take 20 minutes, even for the thick ones, to figure out how to get around it.
@ Tucker Which works well until we discuss child porn - which involves victims of legal abuse or perhaps till we get to Islamic websites describing how to make bombs for example
Most folk agree in censorship [I will be surprised if anyone wants to speak up for child pornography tbh] though we could debate where the line is drawn
banning access to child pornography [ which is already illegal and I assume we all agree with this] and making adults choose to access porn is NOT just like burning books
It may be a good thing or a bad thing but it is not like burning books FFS it is barely hiding the books never mind burning them - its like having to ask to go to the library
perhaps till we get to Islamic websites describing how to make bombs for example
But the non-Islamic ones are just fine... 😕
@JY - Child abuse images are already pretty much blocked by ISP's, Google etc once they know about them but the speed at which new sites can be put up and usually in coutries outside of UK jurisdiction means its a never ending fight.
However, censoring legal content is setting a dangerous precedent and that is what the opt in / opt out filter is effectively doing. Plus it will be wholly ineffective and give naive parents a false sense of security.
For the record, I do not access porn on the internet but will opt out of censorship and as babybgoode grows up will educate him on how to use the internet safely because that way, when he finally flies the nest or simply goes round a friends house where the filters are also off, he will be in a better position to look after himself.
Every household you say? So we'll still be able to watch porn at work - I don't see the problem.
Where I work the web filter is always kicking off about totally innocuous computery-stuff-related pages saying it's full of gambling, shopping, drinking or just plain filthy content. I see no reason this wonderful new nationwide filter will work any better...
@nealg - what about employers, your neighbours, the teachers at the school your kids go to, agencies of other countries your applying for a visa for (looking at you Amerka).
If they are offended by an adult looking perfectly legal adult stuff online, that's their problem.
I couldn't care less.
I've already posted my opinion online here, with my name attached. So the existence of a fictional database that's been leaked doesn't really worry me too much.
My mobile phone provider (Virgin, ironically) bans adult content by default and I had to ask them to turn it off as pretty much every search I did came back as banned content. This was stuff like "Mountain bike", "Jenson Button", "Maria Sharapova", "David Cameron".
So in my experience there is already a list of those asking for adult content with some ISP's, and the technology doesn't work.
I doubt this will happen, it's yet another headline grabber to hide the fact the Tories have done nothing of note whilst in office. It'll quietly die when they realise how difficult it will be, how much closet resistance there will be from ISPs and punters.
In the meantime it's probably a good idea to buy and couple of decent hard drives and a good printer, I have no useful contribution to make so to speak.
"where the line is drawn" is the crux of this, isn't it.
banning access to child pornography [ which is already illegal and I assume we all agree with this] and making adults choose to access porn is NOT just like burning books
Child abuse imagery is already blocked by organisations like Google, though from what I've read today it'd seem that's not how nonces find and share their material. So DC's sabre-rattling at Google is even more laughable for that.
Opting in / out of "porn" sounds like an admirable idea, until you think about it for more than three seconds. How do we define porn / adult imagery? If we simplistically block images of naked flesh, then we block access to medical websites, art, museums. I visited a National Trust property a couple of weeks ago and they had a statue in the garden of a bloke with his willy out! Ban this sick filth.
How do we define what's behind the filter? Extreme porn? Hardcore? Bare boobies? Do you want the same filtering in place with a five-year old in the house as you do with a fifteen-year old?
An opt-in option to block hardcore porn upwards would seem logical, but that's not going to create the cuddly-safe Internet playground that people might reasonably expect. At best, what we've got here is a false sense of security.
And who picks up the pieces when it goes wrong, are ISPs suddenly accountable? Can I sue my ISP if I enable the Great Firewall of Britain and unwanted images slip through, or my (hypothetical) teenage son bypasses the technology to download his own bodyweight in bongo?
If we're not careful how we define this, and recent history would suggest that the law will be as vague as possible to encompass as much as it can, then it's exactly like burning books.
But the non-Islamic ones are just fine...
#Face palm
This is neither what i said nor what I meant
censoring legal content is setting a dangerous precedent and that is what the opt in / opt out filter is effectively doing. Plus it will be wholly ineffective and give naive parents a false sense of security.
I dont disagree, will opt out and educate my kids as well
It is still not book burning though
"where the line is drawn" is the crux of this, isn't it.
Yes and the fact, as you so note, it wont be easy to implement
Thankfully the govt have an excellent track record with complicated computer systems so we can rest assured.
Did Dave not notice the slightly popular literary trend of the last year or so?
Middle England (particularly the ladies!) likes a bit of filth!
You can tell by the amount of S&M themed paperbacks in Tescos! You know, next to the till where the kiddies sweets used to be.
Also, maybe someone posts a certain part of 'The Accused' on Youtube. maybe the bit that is really uncomfortable to watch in front of your Mum say. Bang the poster and watchers up?
Or is it only nasty rape porn if the players don't win an Oscar for their part?
Two people can watch the same thing and be repelled and turned on, sometimes both at the same time.
The problem is not the material, it's whether or not you have the personal skills to realise the difference between fantasy and reality and the issue of consent. And that needs to be taught at school (as not all parents will do it, and if you miss a young person then the problems will just continue for another generation (unless they find their own way through positive adult material like I did! But that's not going to happen if they're not going to have any access to material that reflects their more adult thoughts and desires!))
Circles of abuse also need to be stopped via school education/counseling. These are the real problems that cause the cycles of unhealthy behavior but no government ever tackles the underlying problems. It would save millions in cash and misery filled lives for the future. But it doesn't feature on any current balance sheet so it won't get done.
Kids just pass porn around between their phones now (much of which they produced themselves it would seem) will it become the norm for adults too?
Sorry for the rant folks but it's a subject that's close to my heart and it boils my wee to see the same mistakes made again and again in the name of 'politically twisted morality'.
And breathe.....
(unless your into breath play obviously!) 😉
