Northcountry - Cheers, I am very happy with it, it is prob just me and I am sure it will ride very nice indeed!! thanks again, a happy buyer!!
I-Ache - yes 1st time I have thought my bike was heavy, I have some Tech x2's on their way, after that I will just see how it goes!
so CrAsH...tEsT..RiDeR... did you get those scales?
not as yet, no... but I will get some! that said i got my bathroom scales out, 2 stone on the dot. Fitting some Tech X2 brakes this w/e...
Its me I think, just too bloody weak at the moment!! so it feels heavy, im sure if an able bodied person picked it up, it would be light 
Roll on operation and back in the saddle late summer
grrrrr
Just buy the bloody scales, but not before you pass all your cast-offs to me 
Crash what bikes do you have at the moment I loose track with what you ride.
I have the same problem with my Ti Brompton...
... when it's folded it feels like a block of concrete and unfolded it's the lightest bike in the universe.
i_Ache
Just the Ellsworth now.... this one will be staying, Im done with fettling with bikes. I built up a very nice 456 Ti, but my surgeon and other health professionals said a HT would be too harsh once I have had spine surgery so I needed some bounce, shame as I really wanted to get back onto a HT and keep it simple. Bang goes that idea!! so in a way my choice to a point was made for me. Put new brakes and pedals on, its around 28 lbs which I am happy with!
Here are the old ones
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