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Deserved everything he got.
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He killed someone through stupid actions deserves it.
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reading one comment you do have to wonder if there is more to the story than the report states. But yes if you kill then you should be punished, you can't say that drivers go to jail but cyclists don't.
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he killed someone through his own selfish actions while riding on a footpath - both illegal
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definately deserved being jailed - just because he's a cyclist doesn't mean that what he did was any less wrong. If he'd been in a car or on a motorbike he would have been charged with vehicular homicide (in the states) and probably been put away for longer
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I disagree - he was treated too leniently.
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deliberately mounting the kerb is not an accident.
got off lightly.
what happened to life for a life?
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Deserves more than he got TBH.
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seems fair enough. I like the picture of 'deadly' cyclists in the article too.
[edit] ...actually seven months? If he really was riding like a demon perhaps he should have got more: the article just quotes what the vicim's daughter said about his maner of riding, not any other witnesses.Posted 2 years ago # -
He was treated very leniently, I'd say, though how much does the typical driver who kills someone get?
On average, three pedestrians die each year in Britain in collisions with cyclists. Just ten per cent of those accidents occur on footways.
Doesn't really fit with the "OMG bikes on pavements!!!" attitude often seen on here and in the press. Especially when you consider the "40 pedestrians [...] killed annually by motor vehicles on footways or verges".
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though how much does the typical driver who kills someone get?
Probably actually more than that on average. Though that's not really the point - people who kill with cars are also treated too leniently in general, particularly when as in this case there was gross negligence (as mrs aracer pointed out regarding an article in the CTC mag, you shouldn't be locked up for years just for making a small mistake when you weren't doing anything else wrong).Posted 2 years ago # -
Quote from the sister of the chap jailed in the comments
Firstly this artical is not right he did not run a red light then mount the pavement he was acctually forced on to the pavement by a RED car, an his intention was to join the road again after he went round the corner. as usual the press have fabricated the story to sound bad ,my brother was a hard working lad who ride to work daily four mile and back each day unlike alot of young people these days.
- Sarah James, devon
Not to say I disagree with the sentence though
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Seems quite simple to me. DO NOT RIDE ON THE PAVEMENT unless it's clearly marked at a combined cycle and pedestrian route. If it is, control your speed. I don't know the facts of the case so I can't comment on the sentence, but it seems lenient if it's as the press described and harsh if it's as the guys sister describes in that he might have been hit himself if he hadn't avoided the car. He should have stopped as soon as he was forced onto the pavement though.
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The daughter of the gut next door to me was killed by a someone who wasn't paying attention & wandered into the hard shoulder on the A1M
He got 6 years
IMO the prick on the bike should have got a similar sentencePosted 2 years ago # -
There is only careless or dangerous driving, which the Crown Prosecution Service thought was too minor.'
this is a strange quote from the CPS - why is killing a ped more serious if it is a cyclist than a car driver?
but no need to be on the pavement - when i occasionally do it - i make sure i am slow and courteous.
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careless or dangerous driving
This isn't usually what they'd charge a driver with for death - that's "Death by careless or dangerous driving" IIRC though often the charge does get downgraded.
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Not convinced that statement from his sister changes much - if he was forced onto the pavement he should have stopped, or at least slowed down a lot.
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There is only careless or dangerous driving, which the Crown Prosecution Service thought was too minor.'
this is a strange quote from the CPS - why is killing a ped more serious if it is a cyclist than a car driver?
That quote doesn't show that's what they thought, does it? Rather that because it's so rare they had to hunt about for a suitable law/charge for him.
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Seems quite simple to me. DO NOT RIDE ON THE PAVEMENT
Or, do not ride on the pavement carelessly? Riding one a pavement is not intrinsically dangerous.
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Presumably driving carefully on the pavement is ok too then?
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Presumably driving carefully on the pavement is ok too then?
Why? Bikes are not cars...
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If I knock someone over while jogging what's the sentence?
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Presumably driving carefully on the pavement is ok too then?
If you can do so without getting in people's way and get completely out of the way when necessary then sure, why not.Posted 2 years ago # -
Pedestrian: 12 stone @4mph squishy
Runner: 12 stone @10mph squishy
Cyclist: 13 stone @15mph squishy
Fast cyclist: 13 stone @20mph squishy
Car: 1 ton @30mph armouredIf you had to group these into two groups, for road and pavement, where would you draw the dividing line?
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The daughter of the gut next door to me was killed by a someone who wasn't paying attention & wandered into the hard shoulder on the A1M
He got 6 years
You don't have a link to this story in the press do you?
I've never heard of a driver getting a sentence of that magnitude for driving without paying attention.Posted 2 years ago # -
It must be heart-wrenching to have lost a relative and see the culprit get such a paltry sentence. A friend's Dad cycling on the road was run over and killed by a 4x4 last Christmas eve, the driver drove off as he "didn't realise" he hit anyone even though he drove over the guy's head. Cycling on roads is far too dangerous for me to run the gauntlet, so I ride on pavements where I feel it's safe for me to do so. I don't ride around blind bends at speed and I avoid pedestrians as much as I avoid road vehicles. I run the risk of a £30 fine and minimise the chances of a road vehicle killing me, I don't believe I'm putting pedestrian's lives at risk by doing so. The majority of motorists are totally blind to cyclists, which isn't my fault and is beyond my control. So therefore I ride on pavements wherever I see fit.
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enfht's stance is supported by the Home Office in their advice to police on when to issue the £30 fine.
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IanMunro - I'd guess he wasn't paying attention and ended up killing someone - but the police would still charge him with "Causing Death by careless or Dangerous driving" as not paying attention is "careless" so thats probably what he got sent down for.
If he'd just had a minor accident and no one was hurt, or even just spotted by the police wandering onto the hard shoulder he'd probably have been done for "Driving without due care and attention"
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Loving Dave Hedgehogs comments, didn't think people like that still existed.
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Sorry not got a link to it - it was 7 or 8 years ago
IIRC he had the truck on cruise control & piled into an overturned car + a van & another car that were [helping the folks in the overturned car] on the hard shoulder
I think 4 or 5 people diedPosted 2 years ago # -
I ride on the road a lot - commute every day, I ride very defensively when it comes to cars.
As for pedestrians - they are far worse than cars for not seeing cyclists, maybe because they think cyclists are not a threat, every day at least one pedestrian does the leming impression and throws themselves across the road without seeing me. I've perfected the one handed salute and abuse whilst flicking the bike around them!
I don't see the need to ride on the pavement on most roads (the busiest A road there may be a point if there isn't a cyclepath) but I can understand enfht's point - not sure I'd take my wife (who's less confident on a bike) on some of the routes I regularly ride.
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As for pedestrians - they are far worse than cars for not seeing cyclists, maybe because they think cyclists are not a threat,
That's because most people [even cyclists when walking
] use mainly hearing & a bit of peripheral vision to cross most roads - it's only when something catches their eye or they hear something that they then investigate further
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He killed someone. The sentence befits. His sister saying he was he jumped onto the kerb to avoid a car. Why didnt he hop straight back off then? Same if you jump a red light, you take your chances.
Its not 'us and them'. We all too use the roads as drivers. I'd like to see tougher punishment for mobile phone use and death by dangerous driving. The lad last year who got off with community service for plowing into a girl on the pavement though- I dont get it. He was hooning down the pavement. Why did he get off?!
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I see plenty of people driving on the pavement, lots of houses near me permanently have off street parking that is actually just a massively wide pavement.
So on average cyclists kill 3 peds a year 10% of those on the pavement, so 1 pedestrian every 3 years(ish) killed by cyclists versus 40 a year by cars on the pavement/verge. Brings it all into focus a bit more don't it.
Assuming the rider wasn't run off the road by a car and immediatly and unavoidably hit the guy, a jail term sounds fair, possibly leniant but plenty of car drivers get leniant sentences too. Not surprised the press didn't mention the red car tho, wonder how much bearing that had on the incident.
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