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Chipping cars... anyone done it ?

193 posts & 44 voices | Started 1 year ago by simonm | Latest reply from M6TTF

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PeterPoddy - Member

Overtaking on country roads, accelerating along short slip roads, drag racing BMW's........the list is quite long.....

That's exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!

Training will teach you most of that. You don't need more power. Seriously, go and find out for yourself. I know you think I'm talking bollox (How can training make me overtake faster?) and I'm not even going to try and explain it here. Just do it. It'll be chaeper than a chip, and you'll be faster. Live and learn, I dare you.

PP - if you are 'having fun' in situations where you might endanger others (on the road), I'd call that crap driving,

And what if you're not?

Posted 1 year ago #
timc - Member

PeterPoddy - Member
its widely acknowledged the 320d is better with the Diesel being both faster & more powerful...
It might be. But speed and power are not the be all and end all of driving, you know.

I didn't imply it was...

Posted 1 year ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

I didn't imply it was...

Thankyou.

But you did.......

Posted 1 year ago #
stumpy01 - Member

Training will teach you most of that. You don't need more power. Seriously, go and find out for yourself. I know you think I'm talking bollox (How can training make me overtake faster?) and I'm not even going to try and explain it here. Just do it. It'll be chaeper than a chip, and you'll be faster. Live and learn, I dare you.

You're assuming I haven't gone & found out for myself..................

Posted 1 year ago #
PeterPoddy - Member

You're assuming I haven't gone & found out for myself..................

Ah yes, true. Good point. Have you?

Posted 1 year ago #
timc - Member

PeterPoddy - Member
But you did.......

I didn't, you presumed.

Posted 1 year ago #
rkk01 - Member

and noticably lighter up front.....

the key point most often overlooked by diesel afficionados...

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Horses for courses.

Not every car needs to be the ultimate expression of performance.

Many of us like a comfy car that can move rapidly when you press the pedal. RWD, racing brakes, superb turn in and blah blah blah might not be really that important...

Food for thought for you petrol/diesel heads.

Posted 1 year ago #
nickf - Member

Having driven Audi A8 in 4.2 petrol and diesel variants, and also in 6.0 petrol, I can safely say that the nicest engine (in terms of response, effortless acceleration/mid-range thrust etc etc) was the 4.2 diesel. The 6.0 W12 was actually a bit disappointing, and seemed to want to kick down whenever you pressed the accelerator.

In a similar vein, the BMW 730i seems a bit undernourished compared to the 730d.

All of this is before considering the fuel consumption, which in the diesel cars is roughly half that of their petrol equivalent.

The above are heavy old things, and the additional weight of the TDi engines is therefore less noticeable. In smaller cars there's less of a clear-cut case, but for the big brigade, I'd go diesel every time.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Passat CC 2.0 TSI = 1533 kg
Passat CC 2.0 TDI = 1566 kg

33kg in it for the same displacement.

Posted 1 year ago #
richmtb - Member

The above are heavy old things, and the additional weight of the TDi engines is therefore less noticeable. In smaller cars there's less of a clear-cut case, but for the big brigade, I'd go diesel every time.

I'd probably agree with this, big car, autobox, diesel is a no brainer.

But every time I see a TDI Audi TT or VW Scirroco TDI I just wonder what they were thinking

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

But every time I see a TDI Audi TT or VW Scirroco TDI I just wonder what they were thinking

Easy. You want something reasonably nippy and sporty, but don't want to put up with 30mpg. Seems perfectly straightforward to me. Whoever buys a Scirocco clearly isn't after the ultimate racing track experience, so why does it matter if it's diesel?

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Problem with chipping diesels is it does not remove the 100kg extra weight over a petrol version from the car

BMW 335i Auto - 1550kgs
BMW 335d (always auto) - 1580kgs.

That'll be almost very close equivalent engines, performance and a mere 30kg difference. Similar with Mol's example. 30 odd kgs is nothing in cars over 1500kgs - a mere 2% difference. A few options will add more weight.

335d Coupe also gets the same 1/4 mile time as a 135i. 13.9s. And a better lap time around Bruntingthorpe than the 335i.

Da da!

Posted 1 year ago #
nickf - Member

Mol, the diesel TT (and yes, I have driven one), can by no means be described as nippy.

Swift, certainly, but the diesel's inability to rev and lack of throttle responsiveness takes away a lot of the fun of the petrol versions.

Obviously the fact that it's not RWD means that it's rubbish anyway, could never be considered as a sporty car, it's only for hairdressers anyway...blah.....but in the case of the diesel version, it's true. Just a Golf diesel in a posh frock.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

can by no means be described as nippy

I can't imagine how a car with 170bhp weighing 1370kg would not be nippy by my standards!

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

I have to admit that a diesel in a TT does seem a bit wrong.

Posted 1 year ago #
bazzer - Member

335d Coupe also gets the same 1/4 mile time as a 135i. 13.9s. And a better lap time around Bruntingthorpe than the 335i.

Is there a link to the brunty test ? Brunty is pretty much one big straight with one slowish corner and two fast ones. I would be more interested to see how it faired somewhere like Cadwell or even Anglesey.

I used to love turn one at Brunty, its a 120mph flat out corner if you took a passenger out, you could see them going for the imaginary pedal and thinking why is he still accelerating and not braking

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Bazzer - it's very lame but all I have is a frame grab of the last page - you need either good eyesight or binos - or both to see it properly:

The 335i was a manual too

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

I have to admit that a diesel in a TT does seem a bit wrong.

Well if I fancied something nippy but want more than 40mpg, what else is there?

Posted 1 year ago #
nickf - Member

Mol, I'm not explaining myself very well.

It's quick, certainly, but it feels a bit more grown-up than the petrol version, a bit more of a cruiser than a sports (sort-of) car. The throttle response has a lot to do with it, as is the fact that you rely on the mid-range rather than the revs.

The engine's astonishingly dull, and for me a sports car should always have an evocative engine rather than just a boring unit which produces an adequate amount of thrust.

So it'll go quickly enough, but I didn't find it especially rewarding to drive down a country road where you're constantly varying throttle and steering inputs. I'm not claiming that the petrol version is a real sports car, but it comes a damn sight cloer.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

I see.. sounds great, just what I'd like

Perhaps they should look at super+turbo charging for their sporty diesels, like they did with the TSI. Or maybe stop mincing about and put the 4.2 V6 TDI from the Touareg in there.

Re throttle response tho, on my TDI it's instant provided you're in the right gear.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Dammit, double post!

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Well if I fancied something nippy but want more than 40mpg, what else is there?

Lotus Elise, any diesel BMW (not the X ones though) with 20d engine or above, current MX5 might just do 40mpg, Boxster isn't far off and probably loads more.

Oh and there isn't a 4.2TDI Touraeg...;-)

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Elise? Small and unrefined.
BMW? Family saloon, not the same thing.

How about 50mpg?

Oh and there isn't a 4.2TDI Touraeg...;-)

There was, along with the 5.0l V10.

Posted 1 year ago #
-m- - Member

Oh and there isn't a 4.2TDI Touraeg...;-)

Pretty sure it was a V8 rather than a V6 (the 3.0TDi was/is V6).

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Mol - Audi did an 8 pot 4.2TDI - it never went into the Touraeg or any VW.

You either get a 3.0TDI (used to be 2.5) or a 5.0TDI (V10) - that's it.

Define "nippy" then. A 320d for example is "nippier" than a TDI TT. It's VERY good on fuel. Oh and how about a 123d? Small, coupe available, really rather rapid (over 200bhp) and "right" wheel drive with 45mpg

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Ah yes, the 4.2 is petrol. You don't get the 5.0 any more tho.

The BMW 1 series is ok but the Scirocco is just about the most beautiful car on the road I reckon. Combined 53mpg UIAVMM.

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Mol - my utterly cr4p error. They have just started sticking a 4.2TDI in the Touraeg (in the last few months)! Dropped the 5.0TDI as you say and still using a 6 pot 3.0TDI. I missed that!

Scirroco is pretty but the 123d is better

Posted 1 year ago #
-m- - Member

Mol - Audi did an 8 pot 4.2TDI - it never went into the Touraeg or any VW.

The new Touareg is definitely fitted with a V8 4.2TDi (in some markets), albeit not yet in the UK.

EDIT: As you've just spotted yourself.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Not cheap tho, the 123d.

Posted 1 year ago #
Surf-Mat - Member

Nor is a decently specced TT TDI.

Or Scirroco.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Scirocco seems cheaper tho.

And definitely nicer.

Posted 1 year ago #
jahwomble - Member

Spend the money on sticky tyres, brakes and decent shocks instead.I reckon It's a lot more fun to have the extra handliness than the power. Though both are nice.

No matter how much extra power chipping will give you, it's never helpful if you're upside down going sideways thinking "**** me...... how did that happen?"

That's my opinion anyhow. others may differ etc.

Posted 1 year ago #
molgrips - Member

Spend the money on sticky tyres, brakes and decent shocks instead.I reckon It's a lot more fun to have the extra handliness than the power.

I reckon flinging your car around on country roads is more dangerous than the odd razz up a sliproad or overtaking on a straight. But there you go.

Posted 1 year ago #
tonyg2003 - Member

With you there Molgrips. If you are interested in flinging a car to those extremes get onto a track.

If you want a buzz......an off the wall suggestion here......get on a mountain bike and rag it to the edge on a great descent.

Posted 1 year ago #