pretty sure i saw a band called Pain Cavern once. Quite sweary.

wait, Police Camera Action? hasn’t that been off the air since about 1999?

Billy Ham?

i got a curt email from a mod trashing the ads and ‘promoting’ ad blockers, by stating they exist. First time i’ve ever had that from using forums for 15 years. Its a touchy subject here.

Do breakfast cereals not already have all this in them?

the fortification of cereals is a thing yes, but I would say breakfast cereals generally do more harm than good. They have to add back in all the natural macronutients and vits that are stripped out during manufacture- that always seemed odd to me and a little off. Still occasionally enjoy coco pops though. Who doesn’t.

This?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41942105

that, yes.

get rid of the dog?

Once again, the crown for the ‘King of Threads’ changes hands in the never ending battle of whatthefuckery, here on Planet STW.

thinking of starting one on the COE getting involved in the minefield of children playing dress up.. could be a biggie.

re the topic: the patient attended to by the ambulance crew died apparently.

Sorry, bit deaf. You’ve got a horny mother-in-law?

Pics please.

DM’d you.

Sixty two pages and a well specced Skoda Superb.

dunno, but you hum it and i’ll find the chords.

I can’t find the stats online but I’m sure I’ve read recently that the vast majority of motorway deaths involve stationary vehicles.

and one doing 80mph.

@BEB Over £1000 (excl. VAT)

@potatohead filth.

Boris.

+1 for Bounce (preston) service – sorry for the OP who might not be able to get them open though. Bounce have been excellent for me. Absolutely top service.

had a mare removing some chainring bolts from a new Zee crankset as i changed the ring. Didn’t have that stupid lugged tool thing for the back side as my other chainring bolts are allen.. they must have been air gunned on. had to use a corded drill as a screw driver to cracl them off. hateful things.

Been there once as an early backer of the project just prior to official opening- Ben is a lovely bloke and it was actually my first experience of a venue with trails. That’s not doing it justice though as it’s all virtually natural. I was lucky to ride it in the dry and there’s enough to be a laugh and session small areas. It’s worth pointing out that the tracks are all push up at this point and are only around the 30-40second mark top to bottom. The site is small. But that said, for some practice and an introduction to trail features it’s a good graded way in I reckon- which is how to look at GNAR. I’ve been riding on and off for 20 years but I’m inexperienced with hand built features so for me it was a great feeling trying something new on a small scale- but I reached my limit on some features much to my egos frustration lol

He’s got lots planned though, and if it wasn’t an hours drive away I’m sure I’d have been more frequently. Oh and I rode an 8inch Dh bike… don’t do that lol it’s possible but a nippier bike would have been smarter. I went alone and met some great people of all abilities there. I’ve heard others recommend combining it with a visit to other lakes locations which might be a good shout.

oh boy. how long you got? its still fun riding bikes- that’s the main one.

Most likely both my wifes and my earning potential

Both wives ? That’s just showing off now.

You can’t just go about indiscriminately touching women’s knees, it’s not on.

Agreed.

its important to choose carefully imo.
Michael Feelin’ eh.

I don’t like to see perfectly working old stuff that I had fun with become obsolete.

i hear ya buddy.. can we bring it back to bikes though yeah?

Someone who can’t have kids would find that a very very bizarre and selfish attitude.

not being able to have children is a tragedy for anyone to bear but, the language used there- however stark- is a true representation of the ‘logistics’ of day to day running of a family. I think its how many of us look at it, as this thread illustrates, there are cold hard facts to address about child care. I don’t think its a reflection of the guy’s feelings towards his children.

you know what cyclists are like at the best of times; The Lunatics…

that’ll do it.

extra tax for public sector workers of 11% ( pension contributions) My take home varies depending on weekends and stuff so maybe my average is nearer 1700.

how much of that is spent on child care?

^ yup

better off each month if I quit my public sector job and we both worked in Starbucks.

dat pumpkin spice latte doe

Don’t people use their parents or even grandparents any more? Thought that’s what they were there for.

to be fair,there is a twisted logic here to that post, and some uncomfortable truth, but it’s a one dimensional view of the problem that goes back to the ancient times… As others state- its not a resource to be cashed in when you drop another sprog out even if you are lucky to have capable elders close by.

only one out of both families is in anyway capable in our situation based on a number of factors. Interviewing my MIL for the job was a frosty affair though let me tell you but ‘rules are rules’ as i tell my wife.

how did this get from a positive thread to crap cafe food and frikking TANDEMS clogging up a trail centre? a hardtail tandem no less… get in the sea. cant believe the tandem owner is miffed at being turned away. best debate in ages this.

good old STW lol

The wife wants a 2nd child too – trying to delay that slightly at the moment- imagine paying for 2 kids in nursery

that is my reality in t-minus 6 months.. i dont have to imagine it.

Don’t people use their parents or even grandparents any more? Thought that’s what they were there for. But then whadda I know

yes. most do i would say. MIL had to re negotiate her work contract to facilitate one day a week to give us a financial break- the bigger picture is of course, she shouldn’t have to, nor should we look to her for that help. That’s an OT/political debate.. but yes many like us are lucky to have that, even a single day a week covered is a £200 monthly saving for us. My entire family live hundreds of miles away so its not a resource we could rely upon initially when planning a family.

What this helps to highlight is the ridiculous mess we’ve got into whereby folk could be forced into making a decision not to have children based solely on the costs incurred as both parents need to work full time to keep up mortgage/rent payments, especially in areas like the SE.

true. however, Tj will be along in a minute to tell you that folk in the SE are rich enough to cope though so…

There’s more to bringing up a happy child and doing the best for them than just spending as much time with them as possible.

+1

still waiting to find out if TJ has kids or not.

do you have children tjagain?

Just to put this in context – its a first world rich folk issue.

what an asshat.

care to share your child care experiences TJ?

If one really must bare ones knees….

these remember are for UNDER longer baggies or full DH pants incl the use of knee pads. I wouldn’t contemplate lycra and pads or indeed the infamous ‘**** gap’. im not a monster.. :wink:

realise i didn’t specify pad use, apologies.

haha- how? no spoilers please btw..

You’ll never regret spending more time with your kids. I’d rather change jobs to spend more time with them. Seems crazy to work and spend all the earnings on outgoings to enable you to attend that workplace.

if only life was that simple. I might very well have to look at this solution in the coming years based on our income but its not a decision most would take lightly or on a whim. Severing a career path at 34 in my case to spend time as a FT stay at home dad- i would assume would affect my earning potential significantly when the time came to return to work. My heart says yes, but I don’t want to live in a frikkng yurt and be all righteous. Frankly, I want to remain with a house over my head and a good education for my children.

Op the way to look at nursery costs (IMO) is that it keeps you and the wife in fairly normal full time employment so that when the kids go to school full time you are still earning the same sort of money. If one of you stops whilst kids are little you will go back to much less well paid work or none at all. So even if income is less than costs now it’s about the future.

yes this!

Employers yes I’ll give you that but you never know until you ask, it’s not as bad as it used to be.

This is true to an extent- it is of course highly variable. I work as one of 6 empolyees in my role and losing one person is a not inconsiderable deficit for my boss to contemplate regardless of his duty of care to my child care needs. Its probably not helpful to speculate on the OP’s finances either with statements like “hardly on the breadline” a 20% increase of around £250 – per month- is a significant alteration.

Don’t put your kids in the nursery full time.

:roll:

btw where is the OP? London?

is this a result of the changing legislation surrounding the number of available free hours of child care increasing? There was significant news about that a couple of weeks ago with care costs projected to rise for some providers.

EDIT:beaten too it.

is there a feeling that they are taking the piss? i can t imagine they would be, as the costs must be pretty high for running a well resourced child care centre. where are you in the country out of interest?

our little one is in the nursery attatched to my wife’s work- a leading NW private primary school- but the costs are fairly competitive for 4 days a week- its by far our biggest out going around £800 a month. think there’s a handsome staff discount for us? nope- not until the child is 2 years old! Number 2 is on the way too.. fml.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/inexpensive-chamois-under-shortlycra-for-use-under-baggy-shorts

my post here on the topic might be of value OP- i received some good suggestions.

Classic STW