Classified information I’m afraid 8)

Bit like the secret services themselves then eh 😉

Here’s a couple of accounts… there’s plenty more out there if you delve deep enough:

1980s – Afghanistan[/url]
SIS operatives were active in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation, assisting the Mujahideen resistance. Activities included supplying the anti-Soviet forces with weapons such as anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft missiles (at first the largely useless British-built Blowpipe SAMs and later the more effective US-built Stingers). Ex SAS/SBS men were also involved in these operations.

Other MI6 operations in Afghanistan included obtaining Soviet military equipment from the battlefield for later analysis.

SIS also arranged for Mujahideen fighters to be trained in heavy weapons on islands off Western Scotland by the SAS Revolutionary Warfare Wing (RWW). The Mujahideen soldiers were shuttled between Scotland and Pakistan by a C-130 operated by the RAF S&D flight, a small cadre of RAF special forces pilots that support SIS/Increment operations.

Guerrillas who protect US terror attack suspect Osama bin Laden were trained in Scotland, it has been alleged.

A former member of the SAS told the Sunday Mail newspaper that he helped train Mujahedin fighters at two secret camps in Scotland and another in northern England during the 1980s.

Ken Connor said the training helped to transform the Afghan men into a “fighting unit” that inflicted heavy casualties on Russian forces occupying their country.

Mr Connor said one of the training camps was located in mountains surrounding the Criffel in Dumfries while the other was in the remote Applecross peninsula in the West Highlands.

He said: “The Mujahedin fighters were already excellent soldiers committed to their cause.

“The main thing they lacked was tactical knowledge and battle planning, so we worked constantly on that.

“Some helicopter training was also arranged for them and they were taught how to attack airfields.

“But the main achievement was to turn them from a disorganised mob into a fighting unit.”

Mr Connor said that the Afghan rebels were trained in Scotland in 1983 – four years after the former Soviet Union invaded their country.

Now aside from the obvious parallels with western support of ‘moderate rebels’ in Syria and ISIS ideology being based of Wahabist/Salafist beliefs actively spread by Saudi Arabia, where do Turki bin Faisal, Bandar Bin Sultan and Abu Zubaydah fit into all of this?

There was plenty of fun to be had and a lot of good people from all kinds of different backgrounds…

I asked about Benbecula simply because you’d mentioned it, so figured you, or someone else having a peep at the thread might know…

There’s multiple accounts of mujahideen fighters being transported to Scotland for training by the SAS.

so, let me get this straight: In your mind there’s little of no difference from people coming together to build a thing. To establishing a totally secret quasi governmental militarily capable extra judicial organisation that has a 30 year plus programme to destabilise the middle east and the USA in order to enrich an already vastly wealthy teeny group of American and Arab businessmen?

Why would you arrive at that conclusion on the basis of the facts presented?

Aberporth, Manorbier or Benbecula, jhj?

Aberporth Ned… wanted to get into engineering because of mountain biking funnily enough, was one of the few local(ish) opportunities of an apprenticeship available at the time.

Edit: Is Benbecula the one where SAS were training Mujahideen, or was that another facility in the outer Hebrides?

Well you say that, but somehow vastly complex aircraft carriers get built, with materials and suppliers sourced from around the world, then once they become operational, staff are recruited, trained and put on duty, working as part of a larger team spanning the globe.

The people involved are all fed, dressed in uniform and paid etc etc.

All fuelling requirements of the ships and planes are taken care of, in addition to maintenance and consumables, be that hydraulic fluid, an engine part or a cruise missile.

That kind of thing can’t happen without some degree of organization…

Jive, just as a sort of social experiment.

Have you ever worked in a large Corporate organisation/entity, like a council or bank that employs 1000’s of people?

Well, I used to work for the MOD at a missile test range… People would come from all over the world to test their weaponry with state of the art equipment and tracking radars. During the time I was there, there was a lot of farting about rebranding and splitting away from the MOD, until it became Qinetiq. (Which coincidentally was taken on board by the Carlyle Group) Nonetheless, the hands on work carried on unimpeded. The base is now at the forefront of the drone industry.

On a larger scale, the MOD has bases and personnel over the world, supported by a wealth of extremely complex equipment, which requires extensive amounts of fuel and consumables to run and maintain. (For example, the Pentagon and it’s global operations are the largest single consumer of fossil fuels on the planet)

Human resources and equipment are delegated to strategies planned over decades by the permanent staff in Whitehall and via the larger NATO network, outside of the democratic process of parliament.

Another example is when I worked for Transco… once again, it was a time when there was several rebranding exercises, in an attempt to break down the monopolies enjoyed by British Gas. Whilst this did lead to a lot of sillines, nonetheless, the gas kept flowing and the network kept expanding.

The infrastructure is such that gas can be supplied from as far afield as Afghanistan, Iraq or Northern Siberia.

Though now and again there will be maintenance issues, for the most part, once the network is in place, it can run itself, with minimal support.

Now where were we anyway… something to do with the CIA and Al-Qaeda perhaps?

Good bit of brain storming if you ask me… learnt plenty of shizz I didn’t know before today 😉

Nice story jivehoneyjive. Is there any corroboration?

Guess you’re refering to this:

Over the last month, Al Waleed Bin Talal and Bandar Bin Sultan have both reportedly been detained as part of the Saudi Purge; there have also been suggestions of further investigation into the Al-Yamamah deal

Still no word on Turki Bin Faisal though…

Feathered Cocaine

With some of the richest and most powerful men in the world visiting these falconry camps, the camps also attract some of the world’s most undesirable — like weapons smuggler and the inspiration for the movie, Lord of War, Viktor Bout, who was frequently a guest at royal falconry camps. But the most infamous guest was Osama bin Laden, who, for many years, made annual visits to the royal falconry camps in both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates during a time when he was already wanted around the world for mass murder. Former Saudi Ambassador, Prince Turki bin Faisal hunted with bin Laden often, and bin Laden was a VIP guest at the falconry camp organized by the former foreign minister from the U.A.E. bin Laden was so involved in falconry during the ‘90s and 2000s, that during the time he lived in Kandahar, Afghanistan, he stole most of the falcons from the surrounding tribes for his own personal use, giving the best birds as gifts to royal sheiks in the Emirates, and princes in Saudi Arabia.

Not forgetting of course that it was Turki bin Faisal’s sister (Bandar Bin Sultan’s wife) who was involved in money finding it’s way from the Riggs account set up by the UK paymaster general to the hijackers support network. [/quote]

Though it’s not a direct mention of the falconry camps, there is this Time Article:

Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, “his reaction was not fear, but utter relief.” Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, “tell you what to do.” The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd’s and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid.

Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom’s longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden “personally” told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom.

Zubaydah said he attended a third meeting in Kandahar in 1998 with Turki, senior isi agents and Taliban officials. There Turki promised, writes Posner, that “more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban, and the Saudis would never ask for bin Laden’s extradition, so long as al-Qaeda kept its long-standing promise to direct fundamentalism away from the kingdom.” In Posner’s stark judgment, the Saudis “effectively had (bin Laden) on their payroll since the start of the decade.” Zubaydah told the interrogators that the Saudis regularly sent the funds through three royal-prince intermediaries he named.

Posner told TIME he got the details of Zubaydah’s interrogation and revelations from a U.S. official outside the cia at a “very senior Executive Branch level” whose name we would probably know if he told it to us. He did not. The second source, Posner said, was from the cia, and he gave what Posner viewed as general confirmation of the story

There’s another unanswered question. If Turki and Mir were cutting deals with bin Laden, were they acting at the behest of their governments or on their own? Posner avoids any direct statement, but the book implies that they were doing official, if covert, business.

(To clarify, that’s the same Turki Bin Faisal… his full name is actually Turki bin Faisal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud )

Regardless of the size of investment, for George HW Bush to visit the Bin Laden family twice on Carlyle Group matters, they must’ve had some fairly important business…

It’s more due to the link between Operation Cyclone, the CIA, Frank Carlucci, the Carlyle Group and Al Waleed Bin Talal, who is not only alleged to have been involved in the support and funding of Al-Qaeda prior to 9/11, but has recently been arrested in Saudi Arabia, apparently in relation to such matters…

I could wangle in a link between Al Waleed Bin Talal, Rupert Murdoch and the CIA for good measure, but I’ll leave that for another day.

Over the last month, Al Waleed Bin Talal and Bandar Bin Sultan have both reportedly been detained as part of the Saudi Purge; there have also been suggestions of further investigation into the Al-Yamamah deal

Still no word on Turki Bin Faisal though…

Feathered Cocaine

With some of the richest and most powerful men in the world visiting these falconry camps, the camps also attract some of the world’s most undesirable — like weapons smuggler and the inspiration for the movie, Lord of War, Viktor Bout, who was frequently a guest at royal falconry camps. But the most infamous guest was Osama bin Laden, who, for many years, made annual visits to the royal falconry camps in both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates during a time when he was already wanted around the world for mass murder. Former Saudi Ambassador, Prince Turki bin Faisal hunted with bin Laden often, and bin Laden was a VIP guest at the falconry camp organized by the former foreign minister from the U.A.E. bin Laden was so involved in falconry during the ‘90s and 2000s, that during the time he lived in Kandahar, Afghanistan, he stole most of the falcons from the surrounding tribes for his own personal use, giving the best birds as gifts to royal sheiks in the Emirates, and princes in Saudi Arabia.

Not forgetting of course that it was Turki bin Faisal’s sister (Bandar Bin Sultan’s wife) who was involved in money finding it’s way from the Riggs account set up by the UK paymaster general to the hijackers support network.

Osama bin laden was nobody at the time.
This was the 80’s
He was 20.

Well, you’re not far off… when Operation Cyclone started in 1979, he was 22; by the time he’d built the tunnels of Tora Bora, he would’ve been about 30.

For a similar case study, let’s look at Saddam Hussein… he would’ve been around 25 when the CIA 1st started using him as an Asset.

On the brink of war, both supporters and critics of United States policy on Iraq agree on the origins, at least, of the haunted relations that have brought us to this pass: America’s dealings with Saddam Hussein, justifiable or not, began some two decades ago with its shadowy, expedient support of his regime in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980’s.

Both sides are mistaken. Washington’s policy traces an even longer, more shrouded and fateful history. Forty years ago, the Central Intelligence Agency, under President John F. Kennedy, conducted its own regime change in Baghdad, carried out in collaboration with Saddam Hussein.

As its instrument the C.I.A. had chosen the authoritarian and anti-Communist Baath Party, in 1963 still a relatively small political faction influential in the Iraqi Army. According to the former Baathist leader Hani Fkaiki, among party members colluding with the C.I.A. in 1962 and 1963 was Saddam Hussein, then a 25-year-old who had fled to Cairo after taking part in a failed assassination of Kassem in 1958.

(On a side note it’s worth remembering Nadhmi Auchi’s role in the Ba’ath Party… You’ll find I’ve mentioned Auchi in other threads)

State Department records from the US Baghdad Embassy made at the time, and obtained by Wikileaks, confirm the Observer’s 2003 story. Saddam Hussein was tried in absentina. And not only did Nadhmi Auchi stand trial, but he was convicted and sentenced to three years imprisonment in 1960 for his part in the conspiracy–the supply of machine guns, as a Ba’ath party member, to other members who carried out the attack.

still no tweets from the orange shitnugget?

he must be shitting it that his finances are about to enter the public domain!

On top of that, probably bit worried that the involvement of Rudy Giuliani is gonna unveil all sorts of shit about their shared acquaintance Roy Cohn that they want kept under wraps.

Rupert Murdoch probably has a twitchy sphincter right now too.

You’re talking guff…

my concern was:

CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling

And it’s answered above.

If so, I’ll happily take the lead 😉

Always outnumbered, never outgunned etc…

Anyhoo back to facts…

It was vote winner for Reagan in fact.

Debatable whether that had a big influence on the result (Brian Crozier and his cronies are as likely to have played a role in the election results, much like Robert Mercer in the case of Trump) but regardless, if it was indeed a vote winner, it was one which spawned a terrorist network, supported by the Saudi Ambassador.

Which resulted in an attack that could’ve been prevented.

A New Yorker article in 2006 described Soufan as coming closer than anyone to preventing the September 11 attacks, even implying that he would have succeeded had the CIA been willing to share information with him.

Let’s go back to the source…

CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling

One striking coincidence which gives a degree of concern is Frank Carlucci being deputy director of the CIA at the Genesis of Operation Cyclone.

That’s the same Frank Carlucci who was Chairman of the Carlyle Group from 1992-2003.

The very same Carlyle Group who had extensive business ties with the Bin Laden Group (whose bulldozers Osama Bin Laden used to build the Tora Bora stronghold with CIA funding)

Bear in mind that the Carlyle Group’s presence in Saudi Arabia came about as a result of a member of the Royal Family who has been implicated in funding and supporting Al-Qaeda.

Sure, there’s no fun if the cover up only hides incompetence. You need a conspiracy!

Can you explain where I’ve mentioned a conspiracy here?

This is a thread on 9/11, hence CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling, as is NORAD failing to tell the truth to the 9/11 commission.

This is a thread on 9/11, hence CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling, as is NORAD failing to tell the truth to the 9/11 commission.

Hope that clears things up for you 😉

Regardless, CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling…

Why ?

Seriously, why is it troubling.

Well, in much the same way that NORAD failing to tell the truth to the 9/11 Commission is troubling…

John Farmer, Jr., senior counsel to the Commission stated that the Commission “discovered that…what government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when — was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue.” Farmer continues: “At some level of the government, at some point in time … there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened…The (NORAD) tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public.”[23]

Thomas Kean, the head of the 9/11 Commission, concurred: “We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth.”

I’m giggling posting this because it reminds me of a story one of my old flatmates had of jumping over a fence to get backstage at the Radio 1 Roadshow and landing on Pato Banton.

Well I’ll be… last time I use Rambo to try and lighten the mood.

It’s a reasonable misunderstanding though, since:

Until the mid-1980s, the CIA avoided transferring American-made weapons to the Afghans, preferring instead to use Warsaw Pact weapons to match what was captured by the Mujahideen on the battlefield from Soviet troops. In addition, weapons were procured from Egypt, China, Poland, and on the international black market. The global operation to acquire weapons was so extensive that “by late 1986 there were so many agencies spending and distributing so many hundreds of millions dollars for so many countries that no agency could keep track of it all.”

(On a side note, can’t help but wonder how many of those weapons went on to contribute to the efforts of Al-Qaeda, in much the same way that many of the stingers ended up in the hands of the Taliban)

Couple that with the fact that as I’ve already stated, authorisation for provision of Stinger missiles to the Mujahideen wasn’t provided until March 1986:

For several months, conservative groups had harshly criticized John N. McMahon, who was Deputy Director of Central Intelligence, on the ground that he was blocking efforts to send Stingers to the guerrillas. In early March 1986, Mr. Reagan approved delivery of such missiles.

Overall though, on this small point I concede, though I’m still baffled why Reagan would blow the cover when they’d gone to such trouble:

For five years, American officials provided the guerrillas with weapons designed and manufactured by the Soviet Union or other East Bloc countries so they could deny that the United States was supplying such assistance.

Regardless, CIA funding of endeavours involving Osama Bin Laden is troubling…

Who were they handing Stingers over to in 83-84?

It certainly wasn’t the Mujahideen at that stage…

The Reagan Doctrine wasn’t announced until 1985, which doesn’t help your case…

Ronald Reagan talked publicly about Operation Cyclone and Stinger Missiles going to Afghanistan in 1980 when he was a Presidential Candidate.

However, considering how closely the Reagan Doctrine mirrors the sentiments of Brian Crozier, the 61 and the Pinay Circle (Le Cercle) it’s worth noting that Brian Crozier 1st met Reagan on July 8th 1980 after an introduction by OSS and CIA agent Aline Griffith, Dowager Countess of Romanones.

Crozier states he was in regular covert unofficial contact with Reagan throughout his presidency mainly via Edward V Hickey and Nancy Reagan.

For more, see Brian Crozier’s book, Free Agent

especially Chapter 14:

‘Reagan meets ‘The 61”

Blimey, and there was I thinking you’d be praising me for my meticulous research, speaking of which…

Ronald Reagan talked publicly about Operation Cyclone and Stinger Missiles going to Afghanistan in 1980 when he was a Presidential Candidate.

Source please…

Seems a bit odd that a presidential candidate would blab about the early stages of a joint international CIA Operation in which they went through an intermediary (the Pakistani ISI) and sourced and supplied AK47s to distance themselves from involvement.

Especially since supply of stingers to the Mujahideen wasn’t approved until March 1986.

Factor in the time taken for development and pre-production of Rambo III, which would’ve been complete before filming began in mid 1987, and it’s reasonable to deduce that someone on the production team of Rambo 3 was in the loop (bearing in mind this was long before the luxury of modern communication) or at the very least a damn good researcher.

Pulling together totally unconnected snippets of historical output

Patience my dear friend, soon enough you’ll see they are entirely connected, both to one another and 9/11.

So anyway, back to Brian Crozier and ‘the 61’… what kind of things would a covert private intelligence agency that’s a sworn enemy of Russia be up to in the 80s?

1st up… what were all the other intelligence agencies up to back then?

John Rambo can help there…

Though Operation Cyclone was a covert operation, some folk at Rambo III must’ve been pretty in the loop. They even mention supply of Stinger missiles.

A hero like Rambo is no doubt handy for cementing public support.

There again, what with the CIA, MI6, Mossad, ISI, Saudi intelligence and others involved, there must’ve been a fair few folk in the know, even if they didn’t want the general population in on it.

No doubt such a co-ordinated effort would’ve required extensive planning… we’ll come back to that

To put the pic of Mujahideen Afghan leaders visitng Reagan in context, it’s worth bearing in mind that 1983 was when Donald Rumsfeld was made Reagan’s Special Envoy to the Middle East.

Aside from his dealings helping arm Saddam, he must’ve cemented a pretty solid relationship with Saudi Arabia back then, because this is what he had to say less than a month after the 9/11 attacks:

Rumsfeld: No. We’re not going to be making requests of the Saudi Arabian government. We have a longstanding relationship with them. I’ve met with the leadership in that country any number of times. I served as Middle East envoy for President Reagan and spent time there. We are respectful of the circumstances of the countries in the region. We understand that.

That of course takes us back to Bandar’s Riggs bank funds reaching the hijackers and his contact with Abu Zubaydah, not forgetting other members of the Saudi elite being implicated in funding and aiding Al-Qaeda.

(On a side note, it’s worth noting that Rumsfeld’s Princeton roommate and lifelong friend, Frank Carlucci was deputy director of the CIA when Operation Cyclone began)

9/11 isn’t made up, nor is Osama Bin Laden.

Nor for that matter is Brian Crozier and ‘the 61’

Here’s a pic to brigthen things up a bit and make it a bit less boring for you. (I don’t have any squeaky toys or shiny things to hand)

😆 Good work Northwind, made me chuckle.

So anyway, back to Brian Crozier and ‘the 61’… what kind of things would a covert private intelligence agency that’s a sworn enemy of Russia be up to in the 80s?

The swivel eyed loon in question, with another swivel eyed loon…

Strange you should focus on the book alone… though of course, non-fiction books are subject to legal constraints and there have been plenty of cases where people have been prevented from publishing by the intelligence services.

Same goes for Craig Unger’s work regarding Bush and Bandar… Craig is quite well known and has served as deputy editor of the New York Observer and was editor-in-chief of Boston Magazine. He has written about George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush for The New Yorker, Esquire Magazine and Vanity Fair.

No one has sued though… that tends to mean things are a fair representation of facts (and/or the parties involved would prefer the matters discussed aren’t investigated further)

Beyond all that, you may have noticed the ‘Brian Crozier’ link is an obituary in the Guardian. You can find several similar articles throughout the mainstream press.

That’s were it gets tricky though~ can you trust the press to give you the full picture; after all, Rupert Murdoch has been linked to Brian Crozier and Forum World Features…

Source please.

Google can help there…

Look into at Brian Crozier’s ‘the 61’ (6I) (linked to Le Cercle (Pinay Circle)) to get an insight into the world of dodgy dealings with no paper trail.

Something tells me you’re the lazy type though, so here’s a bit of background to whet your appetite..

Crozier’s own book, ‘Free Agent‘ would be a good starting point, but there’s plenty more out there to back it up.

Worth bearing in mind that I mentioned Crozier long ago in regard to his influence in the media via the CIA backed Forum World Features…

See this thread:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/biased-broadcasting-company-nick-robinson

If you want a real insight into what goes on behind the scenes, look into Brian Crozier:

The intelligence expert Brian Crozier, who has died aged 94 after a long illness, was the ultimate cold-war warrior: a political vigilante who unashamedly cultivated a close, mutually beneficial, relationship with MI6, MI5 and the CIA, successfully courted Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, and praised the dictators Pinochet and Franco.

In the 1960s, at MI6’s suggestion, Crozier was approached by the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a CIA-funded agency that financed publications around the world, including Encounter magazine in Britain.
In 1966, with the help of CIA funds, he set up a British-based agency, Forum World Features, and later founded the Institute for the Study of Conflict. He also contributed to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s Information Research Department (IRD), a shady organisation whose unattributable reports distributed to susceptible journalists and MPs were designed to highlight the dangers of communist subversion. The IRD was disbanded by David Owen soon after he was appointed foreign secretary in 1977.

That year, continuing in his role of what British intelligence agencies call “an alongsider”, Crozier set up a new group, “The 61”.

and his work at Forum World Features and Le Cercle:

Forum World Features was a London based CIA propaganda operation which operated as a professional news service from 1965 to 1975. It was run by the anti-communist crusader, later European Chair of Le Cercle, Brian Crozier.

Forum World Features was part of a world wide CIA propaganda operation overseen by Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA agent who had engineered the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953.

The Australian born journalist Brian Crozier was appointed chairman of the company. He was a fervant anti-communist who had worked for the Economist and the BBC. Crozier was assisted by John Tusa – later to be the main presenter of BBC Newsnight, then go on to become head of the BBC’s World Service. Tusa, who was reportedly unaware of the CIA connection, resigned after an argument over editorial policy.

Among many other achievements in the shadows, Crozier via the global network of Le Cercle, with extensive support in MI6 and the CIA, was said to be instrumental in getting both Thatcher and Reagan elected…

The Langemann Papers (November 1979) quote a planning paper by Brian Crozier about a Cercle complex operation “to affect a change of government in the United Kingdom (accomplished)”.

This may be a reference to the success of the “Shield” group which Crozier set up in 1976, probably with the express purpose of getting Margaret Thatcher elected, a year after she was invited to the Bilderberg meeting by Labour’s Dennis Healey. [/quote]

Well I for one welcome the efforts of our overlords and their henchmen.

Struggle to comprehend why those negative minded conspiraloons can’t see the benefits of organized child abuse, war for profit and accelerated decline of the ecosystems that support life on the planet.

Anyway, where would we be if bikes didn’t have triangles…

You do realise Lethal Weapon 2 isn’t real?

Yep, just like I realize that wikileaks never uncovered the 114 missing child abuse files…

Here’s a related fact regarding the 9/11 commission…

Kissinger himself was appointed chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) by George W. Bush. Congressional Democrats insisted that Kissinger disclose the names of clients. Kissinger and President Bush claimed that such disclosures were not necessary, but Kissinger ultimately stepped down, citing conflicts of interest.

Kissinger Associates

As for the wikileaks angle, you have to bear in mind that often, the intelligence services will sub-contract, with no tangible links. Hence there’s no trace left in diplomatic cables.

Look into at Brian Crozier’s ‘the 61’ (6I) (linked to Le Cercle (Pinay Circle)) to get an insight into the world of dodgy dealings with no paper trail.

Whilst you’re at it, don’t forget The Safari Club, the BCCI and Crozier’s meetings with Turki Bin Faisal Al Saud, the head of Saudi Intelligence until 10 days before 9/11.

That’s why there’s so many private security and military contractors… they can do all kinds of nasty shit with far less accountability than official government agencies.

Few examples…

Aegis Defence Services (Sandline International)
Kroll
Stratesec (Securacom)
Academi (Blackwater)
ArmorGroup
G4S
Black Cube

They’re the kind of firms who carry out the dirty work…

JHJ is this it in a nutshell? you think George Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks so he could invade Iraq and make money for him and his buddies?

Although this doesnt tie in with the other people you have mentioned like the CIA agent who claims he could have stopped it or someone that worked in one of the towers after retiring from the FBI…

That’s a possible motive for aiding and abetting Bandar… however, we also have to take into account diplomatic immunity.

Sounds silly, but it brings to mind ‘Lethal Weapon 2’, where there’s all the South African Diplomats up to no good and when the police come, they can’t do squat, so they need an unhinged looney in the shape of Mel Gibson to save the day. A bit of a shame that Patsy Kensit died, but they’d both be dead if the dog hadn’t saved them…

Some say that diplomatic immunity is basically so spies can do well dodgy shit, without being accountable to the law.

Bit like shell companies and offshore tax havens…

really? what questions?

read all the facts presented again…

Any questions?

He wrote it down in a book… The book provided in the source link from the word go.

Don’t get antsy cos you’re lazy.

Well they’re not completely unrelated… both Leon Brittan and Edwin Bramall were involved in the Al-Yamamah deal.

There’s also the mysterious payments received by Nicholas Soames from Marsh and McLennan.

US multinational professional services, risk management and insurance brokerage firm Marsh & McLennan Companies Inc has given Soames £518,069 since 2010 in remunerations for his services as an MP.

At the time of the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001, the corporation held offices on eight floors of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, from 93 to 100. When American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the building, their offices spanned the entire impact zone, from floors 93 to 99.

Marsh and Mclennan also takes us back to the Iraq Coalition Provisional Authority and it’s leader L Paul Bremer.

Bremer retired from the Foreign Service in 1989 and became managing director at Kissinger and Associates, a worldwide consulting firm founded by Henry Kissinger. A Career Member of the Senior Foreign Service, Class of Career Minister, Bremer received the State Department Superior Honor Award, two Presidential Meritorious Service Awards, and the Distinguished Honor Award from the Secretary of State. Before rejoining government in 2003, he was chairman and CEO of Marsh Crisis Consulting, a risk and insurance services firm which is a subsidiary of Marsh & McLennan Companies.

Bremer and 1,700 of the employees of Marsh & McLennan had offices in the World Trade Center. Bremer’s office was in the North Tower. In an interview with CNN after the September 11 attacks, he stated that their office was located “above where the second aircraft hit”.

Do his ties to Kissinger and nano thermite prove a conspiracy?

Nope, but they certainly raise questions.