davewilson634 – Member

Broken tooth hockey stick

Funny name for a girl…. hmmm curious :lol:

I seem to remember from when I had a Saturday job at an lbs helmets used to be one of the biggest margins to make sometimes up to about 65%.

Couple of quids worth of materials squirted ito a mold and retails at £90

These are very true statements. I believe that helmets are one of the biggest earners in the bicycle industry, precisely because they are only a few pence worth of materials squirted into a mould.

Moulds can be quite expensive of course, but they are usually made in the east (approx 35%cheaper than the UK) and of course the cost is amortized over all f the helmets made. Not to mention that some are modified to produce next years helmets.

If coal is cheap and iron ore cheap, why are cars so damn expensive?

Only 50% of a car cost is manufacture related. The remainder comes from marketing, forecourts bla bla bla. A typical car body in white comes in at just over 100quid fully formed and welded.

Lap of lake Geneva sounds a good (if long) flat ride too

Its very flat. 176 km in all.

Hi,

Are you sure that you can change the travel on these forks? I know you could do so by removing a spacer on previous models, but i think you need a “kit” to do it on more recent models. Which year and model you have?

Aren’t you meant to signal with the appropriate hand to the person behind which side you’re gonna snot?

You are indeed.

It will all depend on what kind of mountain biking you like to do. What kind of bike do you have ?

That looks like some serious damage there. Was there some impact there? or is it just result of a huge pedaling moment and a sudden stop?

If you are looking to get it repaired, just be aware that there could also be damage in other places that you may not be able to see. Have a good look at the rear lugs and also all the rear stays. Just to be of the safe side.

What bike is it out of interest ?

amedias – Member
The over-riding theme from most of your posts is that you simply do not trust Chinese goods and that no amount of evidence or shared experiences will sway you.

Ooooh dear another one who cant read. 8O Not at all is this the theme of my posts. if you too the time to read, and more importantly understand the words, you would see that the distrust is of counterfeit goods. If I would distrust all Chinese goods, i would have a pretty hard time buying anything eh? Einstein?

let me guess errmmmm london metropolitan university?

paulosoxo – Member
It depends why you wear them though.

agreed! it does depend why you wear them. But I think in this case the question was related to UV protection.

wwaswas – Does your car only have parts bought from an authorised main dealer on it?

I have no idea, I take it to the audi garage and they do all the work. :?

njee20 – Member

The handwringing from Chief9000 is a bit sad. What business is it of yours,

Absolutely no business of mine if you want to wear fake oakleys or not. I was merely taking part in a discussion and offering my point of view. That’s what a discussion is, I thought that was clear.

njee20 – Member
and if you look at the thread with the testing, it’s perfectly legitimate on those glasses.

I am not sure what you classify as legitimate. Again, its all down to perception and what one is prepared to accept. I personally don’t believe everything that I read on an internet forum. In this case some guy who I don’t know has made a test and posted the results on an internet forum. Like I said, I don’t know this guy and just because he has mentioned a test standard does not make it anymore legitimate for me. I wonder what legitimate means for you?

Dunno why you’re so cynical that someone on here could have a professional qualification.

Now this comment is just plain silly. I neither said this or implied it. I myself for instance have professional qualifications. My job is science, I work at the highest levels. Perhaps this is another reason why I will not believe any old crap on the internet.

amedias – Member you’re missing a fairly fundamental point in that it is actually quite difficult to make polycarbonate that is transparent to UV at any kind of harmful level. You’d have to go out of your way and spend money to make polycarbonate lenses that did not offer decent UV protection.

I am well award of the UV properties of polycarbonate. The assumption that you are making here, and perhaps missing a fundamental point, is that not all transparent lenses are made from polycarbonate.

as above, it was a proper uv test done in a lab.

By someone done on here? Right then well that’s fine then.

But what kind of science is this? somebody on here tested one set of glasses: Conclusion = all fake oakles must be ok and safe.

Just because one pair has passed a test by “someone on here” (so it must be ok) it does not mean that all fake glasses will pass the same test. Do you think there is only one manufacturer of fake glasses in China?

Does this really your mind at rest? are you happy to take this risk based on this information? If you are well that is great and if you can justify risking your eyes, or those of a child (like some one was doing on here previously) than that is you choice.

Personally I would not take this kind of risk.

The DX ones do – someone tested them.

Come on Grum, what the hell is this? surly you know better mate.

Someone tested them. who? Someones brothers friends uncle mates mate? I have read about some of these so called tests and even watched a few, however I have not seen one which has been carried out by a professional with proper equipment.

Also, the same applies here, if one fake pair were to pass a test, given the number of manufacturers out there, there is no way oe could assume that all fakes were safe.

6nm on mine too

Sounds semi-reasonable I suppose as it might take them a while to shift the rest of the packet.

Would it be reasonable if, when you went to fill up your car, they charged you for a tanker full of fuel because it might take a while to shift the rest?

Sorry…i’m being silly :P

@chief9000 – sounds like fitting F-111 wing pivot pins!

At least we know its reliable then :wink:

A friend of mine once cut off his steerer too short on a new set of forks. He took the two pieces of fork steerer and finished the ends so that the mating faces were almost perfect. Then he took a sleeve with slightly thicker wall thickness, that could almost fit inside the original steerer, but not quite. The next step was to heat the two pieces of original steerer and put the smaller sleeve in some dry ice. The pieces were then assembled. The fork is still working 5 years later.

Losing weight on a road bike is, once you start, a never ending quest. I almost started the same project a while ago. However, after many weeks of research (groupsets, wheels, seatposts and everything else). I priced up and saw that I could buy a new bike which for a little bit more that weighed far less than I could ever achieve with me weight reduction project.

Set a budget, see what you can do with it and then see what deals are about on last year bikes etc.

So where does my Pedalforce frame come into this? It’s not pretending to be something it’s not and it comes from a company with a US presence who do provide some backup, but it’s cheap and made in China.

I don’t think your pedalforce really comes to this at all. It’s not fake, you have the backing of a legitimate company.

Mr Shibolth

Your style of debating reminds me of listening to my 6-year-old nephew and his friends.

Now now, there is no need to get your knickers in a twist. I was merely pointing out to the novice here that there is no way you can tell if a counterfeit bike is the same as an original. You seem to think that because its the same shape and has the same stickers it must be the same. Or, if it is the same shape minus the stickers, it still must be the same as an original, but only without the stickers.

I am trying to tell you, before you go and waste your money (which undoubtedly you will, the way you have been wan*ing on about the merits of fake bike frames) on a “fake” bike that you have no way of telling if the bicycle is fit for purpose. In other words I am trying to save you the money and, later down the line, the shame of owning such a bike.

I’m pretty sure that its people like you that are selling on counterfeit bikes as original to poor unsuspecting individuals. Probably you will buy it, all faked up, stickers and all and then be hugely disappointed that its misaligned, things don’t fit etc. etc and all the other things that people have already mentioned… then you will feel the shame of wasting your money in such a foolish way. More so as you have been told, but refuse to listen. You will then proceed to try and recoup your costs by passing it off as an original to some unsuspecting member of the public.

I have to commend you on your persistence. I also think you could probably make a really successful bible sales man.

getting a bit more lost than intended eh? sounds suspicious. You been watching broke back mountain or something?

I will be staying well clear from the moors this weekend thank you very much 8O

Well you don’t really know its identical. Not much chance of knowing either unless you xray or cut it up.

Deng Fu kindly do this on their website – their are photos of cross-secion cut frames.

What I meant was, if two bikes, (one original and one fake) were cut up and x-rayed, ultrasonically inspected and compared by an independent specialist.

Now mr Shibboleth, its sounding to me more and more that you may in fact be working for this company. Are you their gorilla (yes i meant to spell it that way) marketing department or something? its very suspicious the way you react to any negative comment to such bikes. hmmmmmm curious :?

I use CRC mainly for parts. I have noticed that they are not as competitive as some other sites. I have once again started to use Wiggle, but I think i’m going to stop again. In comparison with other sites their delivery times have been real poor for me. I have had to wait 18 days for an item (still waiting).

how can one identical product justifiably cost many times more?

Well you don’t really know its identical. Not much chance of knowing either unless you xray or cut it up.

Mr mtbtomo, appologies for calling you a fool. But is wasn’t meant in an aggressive way. If I had meant to be aggressive i would have used much stronger and ruder words. :roll:

Grum,

you left out an important word there which has completely changed the intended meaning of the post that you refer to. “copy”. There is unbranded and there is also unbranded copy. You must make a differentiation between these two.

Strong thread this one, wonder how long it will last? :D

Lets see the link. I would certainly do my research if I was going to buy carbon rims from a company which I know little about. We put generate a great deal of heat during braking on long descents and not all matrices will resist this. You need to be sure their materials are well specified and are what they say they are.

Shibboleth; is that a ‘real’ Eames chair, or a ‘fake?

Show me the person who would try so hard to justify buying a fake bike frame and would buy an original Eames chair.

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself. No excuse for poor personal hygiene. Jumping sweaty and unwashed into a clean bed is disgusting, it also shows a lack of respect for your partner because:

I can’t be bothered to shower now and then again in the morning…

Get a grip and start to take personal hygiene more seriously. I dread to think what your house looks like. I bet you pee on the floor and just leave it. Yuk.

Take this as a good telling off, your mother would be proper ashamed.

This post seems to be going round in circles. Probably because some people have not read important posts.

Mr mtbtomo, has completely missed the point. I am actually wondering if he can read at all. There was discussion over fake items and then you come in with a hongfu comment. Hong fu are not fake the are unbranded you fool. A fake is completely different to a fake for many of the reasons already discussed. Read the posts please!

Well of course your situation is a little annoying. Even more so as you were prepared to receive something at a good price and now have to look at a more costly alternative. This would get me going too. However, its the emotional response, wait a day or two and cool down. No point stressing about it as they will do nothing, take your business elsewhere next time.

Lets behave now. First you say this.

Edlong, why on earth are you trying to argue about something you clearly know nothing about!

and you immediately follow up with this:

You also have to understand that China lead the world in carbon and composite manufacture.

China does not lead the world in both carbon and composite manufacture. Not by any means whatsoever. By throwing around comments like this you make yourself sound like you are talking about things you know nothing about.

XPA Cycling of China. They’re a very well respected supplier of branded, unbranded, OEM and knock-off bikes.

I couldn’t see anything about knock off bikes on their website. are you sure???

Shiboleth and also Mr Bowden,

I think its very important here to differentiate between reputable manufacturers in the east which produce for well known western brands (and their own non branded items) and other companies which produce knock offs.

If the seller is willing to sell a bike as original when it is not. He is equally likely to be able tell you it is made with carbon fibre or even a certain type of fibre when it is not. I am not aware if any reputable chinese manufacturer who produces for the west and also sells fakes. You think the cycling industry is likely to stand for this behavior? not really.

You buy a fake you take a chance, because you have ZERO comeback means there is less incentive for the producer to provide quality goods. Previous posters here have told of their experience and observations of poorer work. This is not a surprise. I could make you a fake bike in my kitchen and if there was no comeback, I would use cheaper material. I would use Chinese carbon fibre, I would put fewer layers into it I would avoid any elevated temperature curing, I would also not bother with good tooling and just use more filler. Any you know what? probably you would know no difference until your teeth get smashed on a kerb.

What you say about T700 and T1000 fibres makes absolutely no sense in this discussion. And the part about manufactures trying to build reputations, through making fake goods and selling them to mugs makes even less sense.

Mr Shibboleth,

I am now wondering what the reason for your post is. At first it appeared that you were asking advice or for opinions. Now rather than listen to these opinions you are disagreeing with the ones that don’t suit your purpose. It seems to me that you have already made up your mind and discount the perfectly good advice that you have in fact asked for.

At the same time you also display a worrying level of naivety:

there’s no reason to believe that something like this won’t be made with exactly the same level of expertise

Would you perhaps like to buy some magic beans?

Paypal gift of course.

Why don’t we all just get medicines from Chinese websites to?

I would personally say that buying a fake bike frame is not even close to buying an unbranded frame from a reputable framemaker. Or a cheap carbon frame from Ribble. A frame from Ribble will come with some kind of quality control, they are a reputable dealer and have responsibilities(replacement if faulty and also if it falls to pieces when you are riding).

By buying a fake bike, you by pass all the safety mechanisms and support you get with a reputable dealer. To save that 100 quid or whatever it is you forfeit everything. In addition, you are entering into a shady deal, with people who don’t care about copyright and in general the law.

Do you think you can trust these people to construct a safe bicycle for you? If they cant be arsed with the law, do you think they can be arsed to ensure that the right number of CF plies have been placed in the correct positions? Do you think they can be arsed to ensure that the bike has been cured at the right temperature?

Probably not.

who the hell is this then?

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stolen-haslingden-new-build-cove-shocker-2012-fox-40s-stolen-built-7-weeks-ago

A doppelganger?

Unfortunately tony won’t see this as his internetz is broken.

Hahahha

Hold on a minute chaps. Am I mistaken or has the person in question started another post about a stolen bike?

Did anyone ever get to the bottom of this?

I agree with the above. You need to sit on one. It sound like you are not quite sure what you want, so certainly sit on a few models. This will help you to start to sort out what you really want from what you think you might want.

I’m guessing that you might start to like riding those skinny tyres and then regret getting one with a “shopping position” but who knows. Do you have something now that you can compare to the geometry you are looking at? why are you moving away from a hybrid?

Mooman, Sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I did not intend to point fingers at anyone using 2 logins.