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  • So, what’re your new energy costs?
  • Daffy
    Full Member

    The average bill is based on 2.4 people in an SD house in and is equated to ~2900kWh of electricity use and 12000kWh of equivalent gas usage.

    Meaning each individual (as an average) consumes ~1200kWh of electric and 5000kWh of gas.

    The new charge rate is £0.52/kWh for electric and £0.15p/kWh for gas. With a daily standing charge of £0.47 and £0.28 for electric and gas respectively.

    Using the average numbers – we’d be looking at 4800kWh of electric and 20000kWh of gas. Including the day rate, that would put us at an astonishing £6000 a year for the 4 of us.

    In reality, we consume about 6000kWh of electric and about 12000kWh of oil. 1200l. So we’re at £4500 a year. With oil at £1/l.

    Forecasters are saying that by next year, it will be a further 80% higher with the average expected to hit ~£5700. That would put us at ~£8000 a year or £675 a month. Wow.

    seosamh77
    Full Member

    how warm do people keep their houses to use 12000 kwh’s of gas? I’m onlt 4200khw for keeping a 2 bedroom at 21C all winter round. I basically turn off the heating from may till october mind you.

    Daffy
    Full Member

    It may also be if you use gas to cook, etc. We use our electric hob/oven for around an hour every day, @3kWh so over 1/4 of our electric usage is just for cooking.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    No idea. It’s not like there’s much choice. Bill comes in, gets paid, house warm.

    jonba
    Free Member

    I just looked and ours are roughly 17000kwh gas and 2300kwh elec per year.

    Victorian 4 bed town house over 3 floors. Limited insulation potential but we’ve done what we can. Thermostat set at 18C for when we are in. 12C otherwise. One big difference last winter was that we were both working from home. My wife still is so we’ll likely be burning more gas because of that. We’re in Newcastle too, regional variations will matter. It is colder here than most places in England.

    Last winter was quite mild. If we have a “beast from the east” situation it will be dire. We had temperatures below zero for weeks, I remember -15C being recorded, snow on the ground until April at sea level.

    malv173
    Full Member

    Not sure what we use, but we’ve just gone onto a one year fixed deal of £3600. We were paying about £110 per month before that. We are very fortunate that we can manage to deal with this.

    I cannot fathom what many people are going through at the moment. It’s horrific that the government aren’t doing anything serious to help. And Ofgem? What is the point of them? I’ve seen that the Good Law Project are going to sue them on not doing an impact assessment of the price cap rises.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    Electricity at 4368kwh and Gas at 1538kwh – three bedroom Victorian semi, family of four. Martin Lewis site says we are going from £1636 to £2886 but that must be wrong, as our bill (DD) currently average £236 a month projected to £403 by my calculations, so £4800p.a. Oct – April, then £6400p.a. April – Oct. I’m hoping that Mrs K’s employment contract is renewed in November.

    I noted Sky news are reporting that on average circumstances you’ll need to be earning £45k pa to afford your bills over the next two years / until this is resolved.

    seosamh77
    Full Member

    Leccy at 3900kwh is £2190
    Gas at 4200kwh is £730

    So all in £2920 probably looking at £4k+ in jan.

    Off the scale tbh, considering I was paying £80 a month (£960) till a year or 2 ago.

    Murray
    Full Member

    Large 4 bedroom detached, no insulation in the walls as 60s timber frame.

    10,356 kWh electric, 24,839 kWh gas.

    Current cost £4,619, future £9,111.19

    High electric cost is I think due to 2 rooms with electric under floor heating. I can improve the insulation for those rooms as there’s a boarded outer skin in that area rather than a brick skin, I can remove that, insulate and re-board.

    Another big cost would have been old school through the wall tumble dryer. I’ve replaced it with a heat pump one this week as it was knackered anyway.

    Is there any easy way to determine power used by circuit?

    submarined
    Free Member

    how warm do people keep their houses to use 12000 kwh’s of gas?

    We used 12800 last year.
    Small 3 bed mid 19th century cottage, half double glazed, half interior walls insulated, solid brick walls, 8 year old combi, gas hob.
    Stat set to 18. But 2 people WFH all week.

    The rest of the house now double glazed and smart stats in all rooms should help bring that down a bit, but probably not significantly.

    HobNob
    Free Member

    Based on the last 12 months:

    Electric 4700kWh
    Gas 9000kWh.

    That’s with us as home workers, not really having any real consideration for use of either gas or electric & charging a Tesla at home, 3 times a month on average. Just some quick maths shows half our electric bill is charging the car, which is still considerably cheaper to use than a ICE vehicle (and it’s effectively free as is a Co Car) & probably 2 of those charges are covered under business use expenses.

    Gas is just heating & water for us, everything else is electric. This year we are going to do a test, as we have a couple of wood burning stoves, live in a forest, so have ~3t of hardwood to use, instead of running the heating all day in winter. (Looking at our usage on Octopus, we use significantly more gas in one month of winter than the remaining 9 months of the year when the heating isn’t even on!).

    So:

    Electric 4700 x 0.52 + SDC = £2615. Expect to recover ~£1000 through expenses = £1615 net.
    Gas (expecting to halve use minimum) 4500 x 0.15 + SDC = £800 ish.

    Actual cost to us, about £2500 a year.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    I’ve no idea of my annual usage but my leccy is 20.49p per kWh and standing charge is 27.4p.. That’s on a fixed rate until Sept 2024.

    We also have LPG. That’s 27p per litre (is that about 3.8 p per kWh?) until March 2023. I expect that to jump sharply but at least we’ll get this winter done.

    slackboy
    Full Member

    Gas: 26,000kwh pa

    Electric: 4200kwh pa

    We’re still on a fixed rate til April 2023, so paying £224 per month, up from £144 on the last fix.

    1920s 3 bed semi in the northwest in an exposed location, gas for cooking, heating and water.  2 people working from home permanently

    House very draughty due to bare floorboards, so even with heating on full blast it’s never warm.

    Cavity insulation not possible.  Will be looking to replace floors asap.

    trailmonkey
    Full Member

    Our wood supplier was offering the same rates as last year and even did us a deal on 5M cubic for 500 quid. Going to see how long we can last just using the wood burner and just put the CH on for drying clothes on the rads.

    trail_rat
    Free Member

    I ordered 4 cube for the first time in years. Speakinf to others in my area most are planning to burn lots more than recent years due to wood being comparable manageable compared to the electric or the oil bills. One neighbours in lpg in the form of 48kg calor tins he’s being bled dry.

    We are 2400kwh/year for 3 in a 3 bed semi. + Circa 800l oil and in a typical year get through 2 cube of wood. – put 6 in the store for this year.

    bentandbroken
    Full Member

    Gas 12,800 kWh
    Electricity 4205kWh

    Calculated new monthly DD for gas/electric will be £355/Month which is approx 4 times what it was about 18 months ago)

    3 bed 80’s detached brick-build with double glazing and reasonable insulation (roof needs more). 25+ year old gas boiler though so I suspect that could help if we replaced it, but not sure how to do the maths…

    julians
    Full Member

    We use 5000kwh of elec,and 30000 kWh of gas per year.

    So we’re looking at around 8-9k per year at the new prices.

    Time to buy a new jumper

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Only been in this house for 4 months so no detailed usage yet. 2 bed 1920s semi, 2 of us living here.

    Currently paying £170 a month for dual fuel. That’s after Shell advised increased DD to allow for this latest rise.

    Would have been £400+ easily at our old house.

    olly2097
    Free Member

    £300 a month here now.
    Can do better. No closed door way from open plan lounge/dining room to our room in the attic. A few thick curtains will help.
    Have a log burner which will be used far more this winter than previous when it was used at weekends etc.
    Using the air fryer instead of the oven.
    Turning things off at the plug – the microwave is a bugger for eating leccy on standby.
    Lay z spa going away forever. Loved it in winters when it was at 40c all through the cold season.
    Plan on setting the nest to 18c and wearing warmer clothing instead of lying on the sofa in boxer shorts when it’s snowing outside.
    Recently went part time…. Already gone full time again. :-/

    Next year my kids will be doing homework by candlelight whilst I salt meat and the wife does needlework on the socks before I, as the man of the house, get to have a bath first before they all have my tepid water.

    Drac
    Full Member

    Not really sure of the cost. However, I did think initially I’d be Ok and absorb it. Not now with the increase earlier in the year and now 2 more due. I’ll have to look at my bills and make saving across them.

    seadog101
    Full Member

    EDF on the ball, no, not really.

    We are on a standard variable tariff, but paying a fixed amount every month. Catch up over the summer, and fall back over the winter, has been working OK for the last few years.

    I increased our DD by 50%, as we have had nothing from them saying that our bills were going to go up.
    Couple of days later I had a message from them saying that they were going to increase the DD to cover the expected increase… to the same amount as I had upped ours to already. Going to look at the numbers and probably increase the DD again to double what we were paying originally. We are lucky that this is affordable for us, as long as other stuff is kept in check. I can’t see how other people are going to cope.

    Are we heading for a ‘Food Bank’ system to help those in need who can’t meet their energy bills??

    shinton
    Free Member

    Heating is LPG which has only gone up marginally on my recent 2 year fix. We’re currently using £125 per month on electric but that includes a Plug in hybrid. For those with a smart meter you can get an app called Loop which integrates with the SM and gives you quite a bit of useful data. We were away for a couple of days last week and still using £1.44 when not in the house which seems quite a bit. Double that number for the upcoming rise then x365 and it comes to a grand!

    duncancallum
    Full Member

    4500lts of kero a year ish

    Not looking forward to putting the heating on in Autumn

    mert
    Free Member

    I’m picking up another couple of cubic metres of wood tomorrow, 100 quid basically. Should see me through the winter with the 3 or so i have in the wood shed already.

    Electricity bills are only up 10-15% as i got a fixed rate deal in january. But everything else is going up, so have to be careful.
    ~£200 most months, it’ll peak at about 275 in dec/jan/feb.

    Neighbour missed the boat on the good fixed rate deals, so his bills are up 250% already, and increasing, he’s paying spot rate as most suppliers aren’t offering anything sensible on fixed rate deals.
    So he’s just ordered 10 cu metres of wood for delivery and having a look at recommisioning his pellet burner (as even pellets are “better” than electricity for heating at the moment.)

    Doesn’t help that his wife likes the house at t-shirt and shorts temperature all year round, even when it’s -25 outside.

    Only gas i have to worry about is for the hob, and that’s an 11 kilo bottle a couple of times a year!

    gnusmas
    Full Member

    No idea on usage as haven’t checked but was paying £140 per month for gas and electric. Raised it to £200 per month a few months back and that’s been difficult to manage.
    They want £289 per month the last I checked a few weeks ago and that’s before the next lot of price hikes. Really struggling to afford it now let alone what’s to come.
    Honestly don’t know what I’m going to do.
    I’m really worried and really scared.

    irc
    Full Member

    The average bill is based on 2.4 people in an SD house in and is equated to ~2900kWh of electricity use and 12000kWh of equivalent gas usage.

    Very close to average here. 3 bed semi. Two people.

    Approx 12000Kwh gas last year. CH and cooking. Which would be about £1800 for gas next year before further rises. On the other hand 40 year old boiler has been replaced. Better controls. Loft insulation doubled to 200mm.

    Along with keeping the house cooler I expect gas use to go down at least 25%.

    Electricity – 3200Kwh last year. So cost around £1850 at October rates. Minor savings by turning off pond pump Nov – April. Training Mrs IRC not to use TV as background noise all day but don’t expect much reduction.

    doris5000
    Full Member

    2 bed terrace in Bristol.

    2 adults at home pretty much all day every day.

    Gas – 8000-9000 kWh (ish)
    Leccy – 2500 kWh (ish)

    We’re with Good Energy which isn’t bound by the cap. Been paying about £190 a month for most of this year, and we’ve gone slightly into credit over the summer. That will be gone soon enough!

    theotherjonv
    Full Member

    I just plugged annual numbers into Octopus and looks like we’ll be on to ca £300/month. At least until the next cap increase.

    That’s not quite enough really but when the writing was on the wall I increased my payments to £200/month already so have quite a positive balance just now. Hopefully we can also reduce usage as well – we’re not quite Weeksy levels of blaseness but I’m not exactly draconian on enforcing jumper wearing and carrot eating tactics, instead the house is frequently lit up like Piccadilly by teenagers that can’t operate a light switch. Until now – so hopefully with a bit more control and DD off to Uni in a month, that number gets a bit lower still (or rather I can buffer against the next increase a bit more)

    And if the Gov do finally step in – I’ll ask for the excess back

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    ive just calculated some averages over the last 33 months use

    3 bed 30s semi, solid brick walls, moderate roof insulation, decent double glazing and the biggy is ALL space heating is 2 wood stoves (more or less, gas C/H may get used briefly). 2 adults, then a 7yo, 5yo and a 2.2yo

    if my numbers are right
    gas is 2890kWh per year (hot water and cooking….I will be encouraging shorter showers and less bath water!)
    electric 2216kWh per year

    electric I think must be driven by the tumble dryer, washing machine and dishwasher. 3 kids = lots of washing and washing up. last winter and again this we will use clothes horse in front of stoves to do a lot of clothes drying, washing is done at 30C and I’ve taken to turing the dishwasher off 20 mins into its drying cycle to save the cost of the last 30 mins (wtf does it have a 50 minute drying cycle!?)

    hmm…must be an error in those numbers as that works out at £1860 for the year now and thats a bit less than I was paying before the last increase….I need to check again!

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Honestly don’t know what I’m going to do.
    I’m really worried and really scared.


    @gnusmas

    There were two people on BBC Breakfast this morning giving very good advice (one from CAB, can’t remember where other one was from).

    Basic summary was if you are struggling you must flag it up with your energy supplier – there are processes they have to put in place.

    They were on about 8.30 ish – well worth watching on catch-up.

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    Just ordered heating oil, basically double what it was this time last year.

    Solid smokeless fuel is up 50% for my stove.

    I have a electricity deal that tied me in for 5 years, has 2 more years to run. It’s with British Gas Lite, so hopefully shouldn’t go to the wall. 15.54p kwh.

    The people who we bought our house off put loads of insulation in, it stays very warm. We don’t bother with the upstairs heating even in winter. Occasionally when it’s zero and below, we put a rad on for a hour or so before we go to bed.

    So it’s going up but it’s manageable for now.

    Looks like I am one of the fortunate ones.

    Edukator
    Free Member

    Per year:
    No gas
    2m3 of wood which comes from neighbours’ gardens
    -200kWh elcectricity roughly, it depends on how much we use the car, and yes that’s a minus sign.

    rone
    Full Member

    We use 10000kWh as we have a car and on a dual tariff for evening.

    Not had any details the whole EDF site and app is woefully behind.

    They only bill twice a year for some reason.

    pictonroad
    Full Member

    Based on last year, £3700 on the October figures, projected over £4000 with the January uplift. Heating is on 16 mornings, 18 evenings, can’t realistically go below that.

    Can’t happen because we don’t have that money to pay.

    Just bought a chainsaw from screwfix. £43, going to scavenge all the free wood I can and dry clothes in front of the fire.

    Will switch to showering at work.

    Strategic office location choice will give me one free car charge a week, can eek this out for 6 days.

    Can’t see any other way. Electric oven doesn’t really get turned on anymore.

    Biggest saving for us is living at the South end of the country, We’re way below average gas consumption, presumably mostly due to geography.

    dave661350
    Free Member

    c1800kWh of electric, 6000kWh gas. 3 bed mid terrace with very good loft insulation and some underfloor insulation I put in years ago. Easy to keep warm in winter and cool in summer.
    We currently pay £100pcm for both. That’ll obviously need to go up in a months time to c£180 (But we are selling up and moving to France in 2 weeks so won’t be our bill to pay)

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    Can’t happen because we don’t have that money to pay.

    This is the problem. Both for households and businesses.

    There is only so much you can do to save energy and the bills will still be more than people have.

    A butcher shop owner, on the radio, electric going from £12k to £70k a year, that’s him finished.

    It still feels that the majority of our population have not grasped how absolutely devasting this is going to be.

    Kryton57
    Full Member

    Anyone else’s Bulb app suspiciously not working today?

    fatoldgit
    Full Member

    I’m lucky (?) in more ways than 1
    1 bed flat was costing approx £40 per month combined , then since April it’s been around £60, I figure that will go to around the £120 mark with the latest rise
    Fortunately as a loan end this month I’ll be ok at least for now
    Plus the £60 ish a month back from October till March will be a help

    Downside is I’m on a prepayment meter with no ( affordable) option at present to change….. am not reall looking forward to the next cap hike already as I guess that will take me to £200 a month if not more looking at forecasts … or around 5 times as much as the beginning of this year 😭

    ji
    Free Member

    Approx 7,000 kWh elec, 26,000 kWh Gas. Large 1980s 4 bed house in the country near the sea (so strong winds).3 of here full time (2 wfh) and 3 older kids who descend every now and then and take long showers and leave lights on. Gas is for ehating and HW only, elec for everything else, and we have solar panels that help too!

    Have done insulation (but will see if I can do more on loft hatches in particular). No chimney so no free wood burning heating. Frankly I can’t see how I can afford to put the heating on much at all – even 3 showers a day, plus one sink to wash up pans uses over 300 kWh of gas a month. Never use the tumble dryer, washing already on 30 degrees, all lights LED. Last winter we wore jumpers more, and sat under blankets in the evening.

    Will be buying curtain liners and an air fryer to reduce heat loss / cooking times, plus electric blankets so we can turn off all heating upstairs.

    Am currently using a plug in electricity use meter (one of these) to see if I can eliminate some other big uses of electricity. Can’t afford to spend approx £8k on fuel per year. As we dont pay tax nor receive benefits I dont think we will get any external help. Not sure how much more we can do to be honest.

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    just saw this on Twitter. This is what is going to end a lot of small businesses.

    97.05p kWh!!!!

    https://twitter.com/RoseAndCrownBeb/status/1563451257376763908?s=20&t=z4lQJC-TzBIF-Ep_zP4HIA

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