I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?
It seems that entire circle is very busy suing each other as they need the money to pay for thier own individual convictions and out of court settlements.
Total scum, the lot of them.
Juliani's daughter has been quite a fierce critic of him and Trump for some time now. Not sure there's enough folk actually wavering to listen and understand what she is saying though.
I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?
Juliani worked for him for free.
Actually worked for free? Or for free as far as the tax man and regulators are concerned...?
No one works for free.. Especially hot shot lawyers. There must have been some brown envelops passed under the table or some sort of equivalent... Unless Rudi is totally stupid..?
I can't see him doing it just for 'the exposure' and adding trump to his CV...?
Giuliani didnt work for free by choice, just another of trumps gullible marks
Especially hot shot lawyers.
Giuliani wasn't a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn't persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.
I thought a lot of the mafia take down was set in motion previously and he took the credit?
Giuliani wasn’t a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn’t persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.
Well, there was one decent law firm but Trump didn't seem to notice they were there - they've done very well out if him, he hasn't done so well out of them. And unlike anyone else that has dealt with Trump they've walked away scot free. No indictments, not jail time, not bankruptcy, no national laughing stock, no hawking vitamin supplements - Those are the hot shots lawyers.
Its come to light in the new deposition from Jack Smith that Rudy asked a legislator in Michigan to assist in overturning the election results "So it need you to pass a joint resolution from the Mitchigan Legislature that states that the election is in dispute and that theres an ongoing investigation"
How did this come to light - some sort of wire tap? A mole within the Trump campaign? Someone being flipped by the FBI?
Or - Rudy just texting the wrong number 🙂
What's really quite funny is even within his own campaign, Rudy, Sydney Powel and co - the 'Legal Experts' that were driving the whole Stop the Steal thing were a laughing stock - Trump officials and aids had to mute zoom calls with them to mask their laughter and the group are referred to collectively in the document as 'The Star Wars Bar'
How did this come to light
The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages. Then they went through the list of co-conspirators and pointed out that they would be treated much more leniently if they told the truth and testified against the ones higher up the chain. The FBI have dozens of witnesses who will testify about the relevant conversations. The irony is that they are using the same playbook that was used to take down the mob when Rudy was a prosecutor.
How did this come to light
The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages.
Or in this case as above - Rudy saved them the trouble and just texted details of the scheme to the wrong number
Now Rudy is asking the court to not try to collect his $2m unpaid legal fees from Trump to help pay off his damages bill against the election workers. He knows that the only way out of the mess he's got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1843757365264560428
He knows that the only way out of the mess he’s got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.
A presiden can pardon crimes and commute sentences... But a pardon doesn't overturn any awards for damages to victims - there was still a crime and a victim whether a pardon is issued or not - accepting a pardon is effectively an admission of guilt (you are free to reject a pardon if your are innocent of the crime in question) so it reinforces the award for damages to the victims, Trump can't get Julliani off that particular hook
Reposting from the other thread
Jesus Christ, they're even allowed to take his TV.
Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television
Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.
Jesus Christ, they’re even allowed to take his TV.
It definitely won't have the Pornhub logo burnt into the screen im sure. 😉
Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.
I agree that the "including his TV" part is a weird inclusion. Maybe it's particularly valuable? I assume there is just a "everything worth over $x" ruling and is based on the insured value?
In addition to the Trump campaign fees and the New York apartment, Giuliani must also turn over a collection of several watches, including ones given to him by European presidents after the September 11, 2001, attacks; a signed Joe DiMaggio jersey and other sports memorabilia; and a 1980 Mercedes once owned by the Hollywood star Lauren Bacall. Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television, items of furniture and jewelry.
Either way, I LOVE IT. This is the same end I wish for Trump..... ruined and humiliated.
I agree that the “including his TV” part is a weird inclusion. Maybe it’s particularly valuable?
Yeah I guess it's a bit like court bailifs in this county where they can take anything that's of auctionable value, but not essentials like fridges or wherever.
A big top of the of the range OLED can easily be worth a couple of grand...so would be fair game.
Makes for a good news story though "and they even took his telly!"
He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)
Question:
If someone is declared bankrupt, all their assets belong to the creditors.
So what happens to unpaid credit / invoices? If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly, or does all outstanding money owed to him disappear as well as the money he owes?
If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly,
The administrators have already started going after money that Trump owes to Giuliani for legal fees. As I understand it, anyone who owes money to Rudy now owes it to the court appointed administrators, who will then use it to pay the victims and any other creditors.
There was a line in the BBC report that suggested the victims had "won" the money Trump owed him, but I couldn't quite follow it properly.
There can also be an attachment to future earnings.
Remember when Neil Hamilton suddenly started appearing everywhere joined at the hip to his wife. Anything he earned was fair game to his creditors but her earnings werent subject to the same conditions so to get Neil you had to book Christine and he'd just happen to turn up. Gulianni split with his (3rd) wife a few years ago though
He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)
Trump, or any president, can't make this particular issue go away. You can pardon someones conviction but that pardon doesnt un-victim victims - any awards made by courts to victims still stand.
I can only feel pity for the predicament he is in, despite his involvement, he is 80 years old after all.
Meanwhile Bond villain in chief gets away scot free.
Reposting from the other thread
Thanks thols2, I thought there was an original thread, but a search didn’t seem to find it, for an obvious reason, as you pointed out!
Regards the telly, he’s the sort of person who’d have a huge screen set, something like a 100”, and something like that would be a couple of thousand dollars, but Samsung do a 114” Class MSIC Micro LED smart tv that’s $149,999, and that’s exactly the sort of extravagance I can see him spending out on!
Trump, or any president, can’t make this particular issue go away. You can pardon someones conviction
And only for federal crimes, not state crimes. I'm not sure what court this case was tried in, but it would have to be a federal court for Trump to be able to issue a pardon.
However, that doesn't cover just ignoring the court and using the federal bureaucracy to harass judges, lawyers, etc. until they give up trying to collect.
Here’s details of Rudy’s apartment, and what it’s worth. Apparently, there’s 26 watches he’s having to hand over - might be an opportunity for someone on here… *winky emoji*
Interesting his lawyers think it will be overturned at the court of appeal... Another one banking on a Trump win to make it all go away?
I can only feel pity for the predicament he is in, despite his involvement, he is 80 years old after all.
I'm struggling to lose too much sleep. On the eve of the next Trump presidency I think it's a useful reminder to those thinking about hopping on that particular train for personal gain, what it looks like to be the detritus.
With the orange faced garbage man sucking up the news, it's easy to forget about the other deranged rapey Republican fraudster
Giuliani is surely banking on Trump pardoning him for as much as possible
I mean there's sick and there's.
According to Dunphy’s complaint, Giuliani “sexualized Hillary Clinton and mocked her body.” Similarly, he “sexualized Margaret Thatcher and wondered about the effect she would have on his penis.”
To be fair, I was deeply confused and conflicted when they cast Gillian Anderson as Thatcher….
I had a colleague who had a major Tory love thing for Thatcher and a long term obsession with Gillian Anderson. He lived alone and died of a heart attack not long after that season of The Crown was released. I honestly think he died from 'over excitement.'
Its how he would have wanted to go.
