He wont listen, but what the hell….Go Brown Go

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  • big_n_daft
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    it isn’t his fault it is Thatcher’s (and for the next 50 years)

    Junkyard
    Member

    recession and an unpopular prime minister …what are the chances of that?

    G
    Member

    just as a matter of interest smogster, what would you like to fill the ensuing void with?

    Gary_M
    Member

    This ‘get rid of Brown’ thing pisses me off. From day 1 everyone has been out to get him, all because he isn’t a media friendly slime ball. For a politician he seems reasonably sincere.

    And you only have to look at the idiotic tags to see what the problem with Brown really is. **** sad that.

    richc
    Member

    just incompetent, bearing in mind he has been in charge of the treasury for the last 10 years, and he was responsible to removing the financial safeguards and crippling the regulators.

    mudshark
    Member

    WWTD (What would Thatcher do) ? She sorted out the mess Labour left in the 70s so could she work her magic now?

    Runs away….

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    richc – wrong I am afraid – he did not remove the financial safeguards – that was done by the previous administrations. See “big bang” He actually created and strengthened the regulators.

    Now with hindsight he could have done more perhaps – but was hamstrung by the tory press that would have crucified him for trying to bring the banks to heel

    mt
    Member

    Gary_M – Mr Brown maybe sincere but so was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mandelson etc.

    Perhaps Mr Brown would have a little more support if people thought they had some say in him becomming the PM. Though I do believe he is poor as a PM (and chanceller for that matter) I do feel sorry for him, in the same way as I felt sorry for John Major at the end his go on the banjo. Even on a good day they’ll be some issue that you get blamed for. Who’ed be a politician? Not any sensible normal person.

    Jamie
    Member

    Online petition in achieving **** all shocker!

    Gary_M
    Member

    Brown has never been given a chance by either the public or the media. He was fighting an uphill battle from the start mainly because ‘he looks funny’.

    trailmonkey
    Member

    He was fighting an uphill battle from the start mainly because ‘he looks funny’.

    In fairness, we haven’t had a PM in my memory that didn’t look like they’d been put together in the dark.

    Spongebob
    Member

    big_n_daft – Member

    it isn’t his fault it is Thatcher’s (and for the next 50 years)

    Why do people always blame Margaret Thatcher for everyone else’s mistakes?!?

    She lost the plot towards the end granted, but as I recall, she was EXACTLY what the country needed after a period of another profligate Labaour administration, who had also allowed the “tail to wag the dog”. Unions are what i’m talking about. Unions killed our manufacturing industry. They stifled enterprize and made companies unviable. They killed any attempt at bringing quality up to a satisfactory level. The companies that still have active unions are suffering the same way. LDV, the Post Office etc.

    I remember being trapped on the way back to my office one night after an area meeting. I was dropping off some kit for a colleague. I found myself surrounded by militant ex-miners who had come down from the north to support the print workers who had also lost their jobs when Rupert Murdoch shut the Fleet street print works. This was because of the ridiculous salaries the print workers had bullied the management into giving them. These people were very aggressive and wouldn’t let me carry on down the public highway, neither would they let me turn around. They were ready to turn my car over in fact. Idiots who deserved to be unemployed! It was the Police that intervened and me and my colleagues were escorted away from these violent protestors. It totally messed up the next day, but these “planks” didnt care. Irrational bullying thugs!

    Sometime later I went on a holiday to Tenerife and we found a bar full of striking miners bragging about the money they were claiming off the government. All on benefits enjoying a holiday at our expense!

    Years earlier I worked for an electronics firm in a factory. The union caused mayhem. They even shut an entire production floor down for two hours because they found a piece of ham that has fallen out of someone’s sandwich. They thought it was a safety risk. This is no lie, this actually happened!

    Much earlier I remember the evenings by candlelight after the electricity kept going off. Unions shutting off the power. This went on for years. They bullied absolutely everyone, even their supporters! Lunatic lefties!

    Thatcher fixed a lot of these problems. Good for her. I’m so glad we had Margaret Thatcher. She was a pioneer and most importantly, someone with balls!

    Labour governments will always run up huge debt because they have no money sense. All they care about is swelling public services and making life difficult for anyone that wants to generate wealth. The tax payer is seen as a cash cow and they will hammer us until we are bankrupt (which is now seriously on the cards). They impose unelected quangos on us who dish out all sorts of damaging nonsense. They bang on about equality and fairness, but don’t practice what they preach. They don’t have a clue about nurturing a vibrant economy.

    Our Prime Minister, when he was chancellor, created many of the problems we face today. He should have resigned years ago before he even became PM.

    Sign this petition, even if you are worried that these stalinists will blacklist you when you fill out the form!

    mt
    Member

    This really going to run now.

    Gary_M
    Member

    Labour governments will always run up huge debt because they have no money sense.

    Thats rubbish, it’s not about money sense. It labour policy to spend it’s way out of a recession. The tories are quite happy to leave well alone and leave employment to settle at a ‘natural’ level.

    trailmonkey – Member

    He was fighting an uphill battle from the start mainly because ‘he looks funny’.

    In fairness, we haven’t had a PM in my memory that didn’t look like they’d been put together in the dark.

    …by a swivel eyed maniac with ADHD

    longweight
    Member

    I think the main issue with Labour is that there is no confidence in their policies or any member of the party! The Conservatives might not do a better job but it certainly feels like they couldn’t do any worse…

    This thread will just run and run and run…

    trailmonkey
    Member

    Has anyone else noticed the irony of Songebob praising Thatcher and complaining about the end of our manufacturing industry ?

    Top quality waffling Spongebob.

    G
    Member

    Why do people always blame Margaret Thatcher for everyone else’s mistakes?!?

    Errr …… they don’t, only for hers, and there are plenty to choose from. Pretty much one to fit every occasion probably why those who are able to look at situations even handedly tend to continually point it out at a guess.

    TandemJeremy
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    Spongebob – 1 million unemployed when thatcher came to power – a few years later 5 million ( remebering she fiddled the figures to remove many folk from the stats)

    Her policies destroyed British manufacturing, created the underclass that cause so much trouble these days, seriously damaged the NHS and education.

    The country still has not recovered from the damage she did – that why folk blame her.

    mt
    Member

    Now Pitt the Younger or Palmeston even Lloyd George, they could sort this mess out. In fact why not resurect a crack team of former prime ministers to get us out of this mess of Gordons making. Impossible you say, no more than any one in goverment thinking that borrowing your way out of an over borrowed situation. Lets give heroin to a heroin addict to cure their heroin addiction.

    Gary_M
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    Borowing = govt spending = job creation = more tax paid/less unempoloment benefit = retail spending = more jobs, etc, etc.

    grumm
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    People are so easily swayed by the tabloid media. They’ve decided its time for him to go, and all the sheep are following.

    willyboy
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    TJ – its a shame unemployment was lower when she left power than when she started. You seem to miss this point out.

    I don’t think Gordon has had much happen in his favour, but i think he lacks any real leadership skill/ charisma/ deciveness etc and thats why people have so little faith in him.

    trailmonkey
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    TJ – its a shame unemployment was lower when she left power than when she started. You seem to miss this point out.

    Well, that’s a debateable point, given the fantastically inventive ways they had with massaging the figures. Even if the stats were true, there was no excuse for the catastrophic level of unemployment that she created in the early 80’s, the price of which we’re still paying today.

    wors
    Member

    second what grumm said. Country is run by the media!

    El-bent
    Member

    I like Thatcher lovers. All they can ever talk about is how she took on the unions and **** all else.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Willyboy – wrong I am afraid – remember she fiddled the figures to remove 30% of the count. Even allowing for that there were far more than a million unemployed at the end of her time.

    porterclough
    Member

    This obsession some folk have with Thatcher is just crazy. She’s gone, get over it. Brown has run the economy up a blind alley in the last 12 years, it’s his fault, not Thatcher’s. He was the one in charge when it all went crazy over the last decade, 1987 had nothing to do with it.

    Gary_M
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    He was the one in charge when it all went crazy over the last decade

    So how many countries across the world are not in recession at the moment? You complain about people blaming Thatcher and you’re blaming Brown for a world wide recession.

    andywhit
    Member

    no, no, no.

    Good times == Well done Gordo.
    Bad times == It were that Thatcher woman.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    this stuff with blaming brown is nonsense

    does no one else understand what global recession means?

    and thatchers government was responsible for initiating our finacial boom and ultimately the innevitable bust

    id also like to point out that lawson, lamont and then brown were the 1st chancellors to raid the pension funds, -leaving us all fuct- only major never did, probably because he was too busy playing the panzer commander and the milk maid with edwina curry, yeuch!

    wors
    Member

    I blame Henry VIII

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Blame each of them for what they did wrong FFS. A part of the current economic difficulties lies in the BIG Bang of financial deregulation in 1986. a part of it lies in the American banking system and policies under Bush, a part of it lies in domestic economic policy.

    I really doubt much of it is Browns fault – can he be blaned for the american budget deficit? Sub prime mortgages?

    mt
    Member

    Goverment spending on borrowed money. I’ll pay of me credit card with another credit card and I’ll pay that with a credit card, with a credit card, with credit card….. Alternatively I’ll make this blanket longer by cutting of the bottom and sewing onto the top. It’s got to stop at some point and all the money paid, it’s going to be a very painful fact.

    The truth hurts on this and we’ll feel the pain, Mr Brown will feel our pain for us I’m sure. In just the same way that Tony Blair felt the pain of the parents who lost sons and daughters serving in Iraq, funny how his son was not there, the pain was real cos “I’m an ordinary bloke”.

    IHN
    Member

    Gary_M – Mr Brown maybe sincere but so was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mandelson etc.

    Now, I’m no Mandleson fan, but that’s quite a list you’ve put him in.

    El-bent
    Member

    Government spending on borrowed money. I’ll pay of me credit card with another credit card and I’ll pay that with a credit card, with a credit card, with credit card….. Alternatively I’ll make this blanket longer by cutting of the bottom and sewing onto the top. It’s got to stop at some point and all the money paid, it’s going to be a very painful fact.

    The truth hurts on this and we’ll feel the pain, Mr Brown will feel our pain for us I’m sure.

    He will indeed, whether its wholly justified is neither here or there, the British public need scapegoats to cover up the fact that they(we) were complicit in creating this mess also.

    jon1973
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    this stuff with blaming brown is nonsense

    does no one else understand what global recession means?

    A global recession doesn’t explain why the pound has lost 30% of it’s value over the past year.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Jon – The UK economy is more dependent on financial services than most. The pound was overvalued anyway. In a recession when financial services are the hardest hit people will invest in currencies that are not so vulnerable.

    IMO the lower pound is a good thing anyway – makes our exports much more profitable.

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