Donald! Trump!

MAGA and Brexit are basically the same empty promises over deliverable content.

But that appeals to folk who think they have very little or not as much as they used to, because the promises always offer more than a rational view of the deliverable.

Let’s hope they all celebrate with a pint of bleach !

I see the US$ has reacted and now I have to find another £400 to pay our server bill on Monday.

Plus I have just been ‘treated’ to that **** Farage on R4 clearly positioning himself as the UK’s unofficial ambassador to Washington.

Even for someone who looks like a toad his fawning toadying to Trump is embarrassing for all involved. I know geography clearly isn’t his strong point, but I wonder when someone’s going to inform him that his constituency of Clacton is actually this side of the Atlantic?

Yup I work for a US company and they have already said the workforce is to expensive to keep at its current rate even though our arm is billions in the black .

Fun times indeed

Well America shat the bed again, and they’ll just have to lie in it.

The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.

It would be hilarious if the judge jails him at the end of the month

I see the US$ has reacted and now I have to find another £400 to pay our server bill on Monday.

Ouch.

I’ve just torn up a 12 month financial projection for similar reasons. It’s crystal ball time, but with a huge helping of ‘more expensive’.
I’m keeping the fuel topped up, just in case…

Jon Kaye our BBC correspondent out in Washington accidentally said earlier, “and back at the tramp rally”, well it made me chuckle.

How has Trump, this disgusting criminal, lying toad managed this? His childish behaviour is cringe worthy.

As another British correspondent said – Trump a man involved in scandals and civil and criminal court cases.

Imo this oxygen thief has no graciousness or integrity, he blames everyone but himself for all his failings. This feels like the start of bad times.

Even for someone who looks like a toad his fawning toadying to Trump is embarrassing for all involved. I know geography clearly isn’t his strong point, but I wonder when someone’s going to inform him that his constituency of Clacton is actually this side of the Atlantic?

I thought his real constituency was about 1500 miles to the east of Clacton.

Imo this oxygen thief has no graciousness or integrity, he blames everyone but himself for all his failings.

Which is pretty much his appeal to his voter base of losers. Losers who imagine they are hard done to – despite having a higher standard of living than many ‘winners’ in the third world.

Plus I have just been ‘treated’ to that **** Farage on R4 clearly positioning himself as the UK’s unofficial ambassador to Washington.

Ah yes Farage. I was shocked to hear he was in the USA considering there was a debate about the future of the fishing industry yesterday.

Given his deep love and support for the fishing industry I thought he might turn up. OK he barely bothered when on the EU fisheries committee but now it was in Westminster.

FFS-said the rest of the world.

The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.

But when your strap line is MAGA, who cares about anyone else?

Thoughts and prayers for everyone

The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.

It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU. For too long the world (at least our world) has relied way too heavily on the US for security, leadership and even stuff like tech. It might be that an ascendant Trump doing all kinds of whack-job stuff domestically, combined with shutting down of foreign policy relations will actually lead to Europe (including us) pulling its finger out.

I suspect this time round that the rest of the world might be better prepared.  I don’t think anyone expected Trump to get in last time.

at least that’s what I’m hoping

@benpinnick An isolationist US should definitely prompt closer European security cooperation if nothing else. Also need to accelerate decarbonisation as this makes us less dependent on other unsavoury regimes…

It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU. For too long the world (at least our world) has relied way too heavily on the US for security, leadership and even stuff like tech. It might be that an ascendant Trump doing all kinds of whack-job stuff domestically, combined with shutting down of foreign policy relations will actually lead to Europe (including us) pulling its finger out.

It’s a good point. The reduction of the influence of the US in broader global issues is a 2 way thing – the world is just as capable of shunning them and they are of walking away from us. Economically, politically, militarily but also culturally. This election has once and for all highlighted that as a collective, they are just not like us. We have far more in common with some European nations. If only there was a group that we could be part of to make a European union, to trade as a group, to have an impact on the world as a collective. That’d be great.

Looks like the rednecks got their president then. 4 Years of chaos to follow.

It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU

We have seen **** all resistance across Europe to the rise of the right and the oligarchs, continued austerity, failure to even recognise the problems of neoliberalism never mind fix them, attacking the left and progressives rather than the causes of economic inequality and insecurity, no action to combat the flood of misinformation.

I see nothing more than further moves right, and a big push by the oligarchs to repeat their American success in Europe.

It’s official; Trump is president. Again.

@benpinnick An isolationist US should definitely prompt closer European security cooperation if nothing else. Also need to accelerate decarbonisation as this makes us less dependent on other unsavoury regimes…

I hope so. I used to work for a US company and the number of times my boss tried to get me to move to the US was high, but always I turned him down because the US is ultimately a basket case; always has been, probably always will be. As far back as the civil war (Which wasn’t that long ago in global terms remember) they’ve been a divided country with the coastal populations and the inland populations in an uneasy truce. The balance of power will ebb and flow, and this time its flowed very strongly towards the isolationist camp. It will flow back again for sure. Hopefully our leaders and those around us will see the folly of reliance on the USA and move to strengthen our own propositions.

4 Years of chaos to follow.

At least it’s his last 4 years,

I suspect this time round that the rest of the world might be better prepared.  I don’t think anyone expected Trump to get in last time.

at least that’s what I’m hoping

There’s a report on the BBC website about what Lammy & Starmer have done in laying the groundwork

He isn’t going to last 4 years.

They will have him removed and vance in charge by March

Am I right in saying he has:
– won the popular vote.
– these here ‘electoral college’ votes.
– both houses.
– has a supreme court ‘in his influence’ in many ways, and the opportunity to influence it even more.
– a lot of very wealthy people ‘in his influence’ for what they can personally gain from the next few years.

This could be a very uncomfortable few years ahead.

It won’t be good for climate change, or rather it will….

They will have him removed and vance in charge by March

There is no mechanism for that other than impeachment

Wonder Putin, Kim Jong Un, Supreme Leader of Hungry and other despots will make the inauguration?

Am I right in saying he has:
– won the popular vote.
– these here ‘electoral college’ votes.
– both houses.
– has a supreme court ‘in his influence’ in many ways, and the opportunity to influence it even more.
– a lot of very wealthy people ‘in his influence’ for what they can personally gain from the next few years.

This could be a very uncomfortable few years ahead.

Indeed. He’s also got a ratification that he can’t be prosecuted for anything he does as president as long as he is doing it as part of his presidency or some other fudge – basically he’s above the law. By some margin this is the most powerful he has ever been – more so than in 2016. And, without the need to look good enough to look electable in 4 years time and a desire to leave a legacy….gulp.

Long and short of it though – you can’t blame Trump for this. He is the essence of the Ronseal candidate in every way including skin treatment. He lies so blatantly that even the stupidest of people know that he’s lying. His policies are simplistic to the point that it should not need explaining to anyone. But he has the complete mandate of the people to be their president. His is the very personification of the 2024 American psyche. We (as in the rest of the globe) should stop shaking our heads in wonder at Trump but should be shaking our heads in distaste and distrust at Americans as a collective group of people. The majority of them like and believe in this man – therefore ‘we’ need to see ‘them’ for what they are.

So depressing:-(

I’ve been pussy footing about packing in twitter for a long time, seems a good day to finally walk away.

basically he’s above the law.

No different to Obama then. Torture program, rendition and more extra-judicial killings than any other president.