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 ...if you honestly think that Trump is always being completely serious and never trying to be funny...

Oh, I believe he often thinks he's trying to be funny. Everybody knows someone like that. It doesn't mean they are funny.

Look at the way he behaves in public. A lot of the time he walks around with that sour, mean look on his face, as if he's permanently furious about something. When he does smile during a speech, it just looks like he's pleased with himself, not that he's actually trying to entertain other people. He's an insecure bully, who tries to relieve that insecurity by punching down on other people.

And Trump isn’t a fascist, he’s an anarchist. That’s what most people get wrong about him.

Trump is a textbook fascist.


 
Posted : 10/01/2025 6:37 pm
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Oh, I believe he often thinks he’s trying to be funny. Everybody knows someone like that. It doesn’t mean they are funny.

Well using the standard definition of the word "funny", which is to cause people to smile or laugh, Trump certainly qualifies on occasions, as most people obviously do.

If he is trying to be funny and people smile or laugh then he has succeeded.

But why this apparent obsession over whether Trump is funny or not? I could not give a toss if his supporters piss themselves laughing at his hilarious quips or not. I don't find him funny as in funny haha, nor have I ever given my support to a politician based on whether they make me laugh.

His skills (or lack of) as a comedian should be of no concern to anyone other than his more committed supporters.

What concerns me most about Trump is how he is likely to behave as US president. So whilst I hugely enjoyed the almost daily entertainment value his first term gave us, for example cure yourself of Covid by shinning a bright light or drinking bleach, I won't be judging him on his ability to make me laugh.


 
Posted : 10/01/2025 7:22 pm
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According to our Foreign Secretary Donald Trump is above criticism because the United States is our closest ally :

Mr Lammy told Wilfred Frost on Sky News he is "not in the business of condemning our closest ally" when asked if he would denounce the US president-elect's rhetoric.

The French and Germans don't seem to have this "closest ally" problem.

France and Germany have expressed concern over Mr Trump's comments, but Mr Lammy laughed off the suggestion he is worried.

And according to Lammy Trump is going to work for working people, which is why he is interested in Greenland. I find Lammy's faith in Trump's altruistic concerns quite touching :

"He came in very clearly saying he was going to work for working people. And, he sees America's national economic security as centring that.

 

"That is why he's raising issues, in relation to the Panama Canal, and I suspect to Greenland.

 

"He always amplifies that and does it at its most, at its strongest intensity. But sitting behind that are actually quite serious national security and economic issues."

https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-secretary-david-lammy-laughs-off-donald-trumps-threat-to-seize-greenland-and-panama-canal-13285829

And Lammy needs to brush up on his history, Turkey and Greece, both NATO members, went to war over Cyprus resulting in over 6,000 casualties.

He added: "Let's be clear. No NATO countries have gone to war since the establishment of NATO. And I don't envisage that."

Germany and France have warned Mr Trump against threatening Greenland but Mr Lammy said he would not be doing the same.


 
Posted : 11/01/2025 6:11 pm
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Will Trump now apologize on behalf of his country for their despicable behaviour over us protecting our interests regarding the Suez Canal?


 
Posted : 11/01/2025 6:19 pm
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WRT Canada, there’s some interesting stuff on SoMe at the moment pointing out that in both world wars, Canadians were regarded as natural shock troops, and that the reason much of the Geneva Convention exists is because of the Canadian Corps e.g. shooting prisoners out of hand.

This is obviously slightly different to their reputation for niceness in the US…


 
Posted : 11/01/2025 8:30 pm
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His list of talents might be short but right there at the top is his ability to manipulate and mould public opinion to get him the results that he wants and needs.

The problem with this is if you look back to older records from his first presidential campaign in 2000 and even further back to his comments on the central park five at the time his methods, techniques and arguments havent really changed.

Which suggests it isnt that he is great at manipulating people since otherwise he would have done so back in 2000 but instead the environment has changed so his approach now works.


 
Posted : 11/01/2025 9:16 pm
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Which suggests it isnt that he is great at manipulating people since otherwise he would have done so back in 2000

Er well yes, I didn't suggest that Donald Trump has supernatural powers of persuasion, which is what he would have needed as a non-Republican/Democrat candidate to win in 2000, when was the last time a third party won US presidential election?

All I am suggesting is that he isn't quite the incapable cretin which a few people seem to think he is. Nearly 80 million people voted to Trump in the presidential election, despite him not really offering any sort of coherent plan or policies which are proven to achieve their stated aims.

You have to assume that Trump has reasonable powers of persuasion when his central message seems to be "trust me, I will make America great again", and the majority of American voters say okay.

Just because a snake oil salesman's merchandise is worthless and he fools a lot of people it doesn't mean that he is stupid.


 
Posted : 11/01/2025 10:46 pm
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Not sure what this will achieve now, beyond polarising opinion even more, but it's crazy that a sitting President is legally untouchable. I suspect the incoming regime will not seek to change the position.

BBC News - Trump would have been convicted of election interference, DoJ report says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqld79pxeqo


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 9:50 am
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but it’s crazy that a sitting President is legally untouchable

Ironically they are not, which is why they can be impeached whilst in office for committing crimes.


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 9:57 am
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Imagine living in a country where you can avoid Court by playing for time..., previously this would have been referred to as a "Banana Republic".

Is that also why the Tories laid waste to the UK's legal process, so they'd also never have to face the Courts for their corruption?


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 10:13 am
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And Trump isn’t a fascist, he’s an anarchist. That’s what most people get wrong about him.

Think you might need to look up what anarchists are interested in, it's the very opposite of what Trump stands for.

Trump is an uber-authoritarian, and he wants to reassert US geopolitical and economic power in the West and against China and Russia. I have no doubt he thinks Europe and the UK have been taken over by snowflake liberals which has resulted in Western power weakening against the threat from China and Russia. Like them he wants the US to be an authoritarian global power and to achieve that he has to crush liberalism in the US and UK/EU. This is why we're seeing his allies like Musk attacking liberal govts in the UK/EU and all the bluster about Greenland, the Panama canal and Canada (which he will see as aligned with the UK/EU more than the US). Not a good time to be a 'libtard'!


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 1:18 pm
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I guess it can happen anywhere.. If you have the money it's simply a war of atrittion... Wrap the opposition up with appeals, technicalities and general noise and distractions etc. until the other side runs out of money, momentum or both.

Conversely though Rudy gulliani seems to be getting totally ruined... He was trumps best mate at one point... Now he's been well and truly thrown under the bus... Not that he doesn't deserve it, but he's dead weight to trump now, so he's on his own.

Hell... Even the mafia look after thier own when they take a legal fall 'for the team'.

Makes you wonder why anyone would go anywhere near Trump.. And gulliani isn't the first.. Plenty of trumps Co-conspiritors have been ruined whilst Trump just sails on through.


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 2:11 pm
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You have to assume that Trump has reasonable powers of persuasion when his central message seems to be “trust me, I will make America great again”, and the majority of American voters say okay.

I don't think that logically follows.

He says little of substance - when you see a transcript of a speech it's pure gibberish. As with the sanewashing comments above it's always translated by Fox/Newsmax/Reps into words that make some sense, depsite how it's blurted out. That isn't a Trump superpower, it's a propaganda machine that is currently behind him. Plus hero of free speech Musk has all this nonsense on heavy rotation.

And at least he isn't a lib or black or a woman and that's how 80 million stupid/racist/sexist/gullible/angry votes are gathered.

See Brexit for more examples.


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 3:15 pm
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And Trump isn’t a fascist, he’s an anarchist.

He's neither really. He's a bullshitter (in the sense that people who lie need to know the truth in order to lie, a bullshitter has no interest in truth they just want to be seen to have something to say and will chose the thing to say that makes them look best in a given situation)

What he does is read the room and say the sort of things he thinks the room wants to hear. It's just the room he's chosen to stand in front of wants to hear thuggish, sexist, racist bullshit. He easily alights on fascistic tropes (and q-anon tropes and evangelical tropes) becuase he feels the room respond in a certain way and feeds people what they want.

His knack is to seemingly be doing his thinking out loud - he tries both sides of an argument, bracketing the options with 'people are saying' 'a lot of smart people think' and as he mulls it over the room willingly tells him where he should go with the rest of the sentence.


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 3:33 pm
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Rudy gulliani seems to be getting totally ruined… He was trumps best mate at one point… Now he’s been well and truly thrown under the bus.

Not just Rudy - the whole Starwars Bar Panini Album just canned. While Trump's been handing out jobs like sweets to .... people he's seen on tv mostly, and heralding jan 6 rioters as freedom fighters and so on - his actually co-accused, the only real allies he had in the last weeks of his administration, the people who really, properly nailed their colours to the mast for him - all forgotten about.

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It's going to be really interesting to see whats in store for these folk once he's in office. You'd think Trump would pardon them - but to accept a pardon you're in effect accepting guilt. To offer the pardon you're confirming there was a crime. But trump is one of the accused the act of pardoning his co-accused validates the charge against him.

I suspect pardoning someone also removes their 5th amendment rights which means if the case ever comes to court again anyone he's pardoned can be compelled to testify.


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 3:53 pm
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What he does is read the room and say the sort of things he thinks the room wants to hear....

and points at an imaginary person over to one side.  God I ****ing hate that .... and him!


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 4:12 pm
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He says little of substance – when you see a transcript of a speech it’s pure gibberish

That is precisely my point!

And yet he managed to get the majority of US voters to vote for him. It would appear that his incoherent gibberish was what they wanted to hear **

Actually making unnecessarily coherent arguments puts you at the risk of having them picked apart, something which Keir Starmer undoubtedly was aware of when he chose to mostly keep his mouth shut and instead watch the Tories commit political suicide.

Kamala Harris's powers of persuasion were obviously not greater than Trump's

Edit ** I am thinking along the lines of "I don't know what the **** he is on about but let's give him a chance because things have been shit for the last 4 years and we need a change".

If you look at the transcripts of Tony Blair's speech during the runup to the 1997 general election they were very similar in strategy. The Tories had been in power since 1979 and voters we just desperate for change. Tony Blair knew that so all he had to do was to promise change without going much into detail. So there were lots of long speeches with lots of key words but very little if any substance......good people, hardworking people, a confident Britain, a Britain full of hope, blah, blah blah, 


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 4:28 pm
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That is precisely my point!

And yet he managed to get the majority of US voters to vote for him. It would appear that his incoherent gibberish was what they wanted to hear **

The biggest challenge for a presidential candidate is simply having people know who you actually are becuase people by and large are not consuming politics.  On election night even, more people were watching schmaltzy christmas movies on the Hallmark channel than all the election coverage combined. People don't consume politics and current affairs in the US. Fox -  as influential as it is deemed to be -  has at best an audience of 1million in a country where 160million voted.  CNN... doing well if it gets 600,000 viewers

Policy, really, seems to be secondary to just being recognisable, if it's even an issue at all.

Bill Clinton, during his 1992 campaign, was in third place, behind independent Ross Perot, until he appeared on a late night chat show playing the saxophone in raybans. Then- people knew who he was.

"Vote Bob Servant. Becuase you know him and he's OK"


 
Posted : 14/01/2025 4:56 pm
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Trumps masterstroke was being an illiberal white man.

The rest is just fluff.


 
Posted : 15/01/2025 2:28 pm
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Trumps masterstroke was being an illiberal white man.

And yet being  illiberal white men didn't sufficiently help either John McCain nor Mitt Romney when a black liberal man easily beat them both to become United States President.

It's almost as if it's a tad more complicated than the obvious explanation.


 
Posted : 15/01/2025 2:59 pm
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An interesting discussion about Trump's economic tariffs and the effect on the cycling industry in the US from bikepacking.com.

https://bikepacking.com/plog/tariff-trouble-us-made-cycling/


 
Posted : 16/01/2025 3:35 pm
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It’s almost as if it’s a tad more complicated than the obvious explanation.

Or maybe things are not the same as they were then?

Wacky, I know, but worth considering.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 7:43 am
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Maybe illiberal white men were convinced that a liberal black man would never be president of the USA, and Obama getting elected shocked them into making sure they vote every single election going forward to make sure it never happens again.

Being illiberal white men means they sure as shit won't be voting for no "DEI candidate" either, so women and People Of Colour are never going to get an X next to their name.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 8:30 am
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This narcissistic planet wrecker, is going to start digging for fossil fuels and drilling for oil asap.

what an absolute toss pot, idiotic oxygen thief.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 9:01 am
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This narcissistic planet wrecker, is going to start digging for fossil fuels and drilling for oil asap.

Big, beautiful drills.

Time to move some investments around?


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 9:55 am
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Wacky, I know, but worth considering.

Definitely wacky if today all that it requires to win the US presidency is being an illiberal white guy when only 12 years ago a liberal black guy easily won.

In fact it's totally crazy! Especially when you consider how much America has moved forward since the Civil Rights movement and the days of Southern Democrats. And you also consider that 20% of black voters voted for Trump, in fact it was that that guaranteed Trumps victory - in previous elections non-white.voters had not voted for Trump in such large numbers.

But other than that the "voters are all racists" explanation for an election result which hasn't gone the way you would have liked works very well both sides of the Atlantic. It's simple and generally you are not expected to elaborate.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 10:11 am
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Fox News and Twitter weren't pumping out hate when Obama was elected is probably another factor.

But I agree with ernie for once,  there are several factors in the mix and they will have changed in the last 20 years to keep it complicated.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 10:19 am
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Posted : 17/01/2025 10:27 am
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Fox News and Twitter weren’t pumping out hate when Obama was elected

Do you honestly believe that Barack Obama (lovely Muslim sounding name btw) didn't have to battle and overcome racism to win the presidency? Blimey

There was a whole conspiracy movement specifically set up to attack Obama from a racist angle, the "birther" movement. Apparently Obama wasn't really American (some still believe that) and no one has seen his (genuine) birth certificate because firstly it would prove that he wasn't American and secondly because where it states religion it says Muslim.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 10:57 am
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But other than that the “voters are all racists” explanation for an election result which hasn’t gone the way you would have liked works very well both sides of the Atlantic. It’s simple and generally you are not expected to elaborate.

Luckily that isn't all I said. But I suspect you know that.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 11:01 am
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And luckily I didn't claim that was all you said.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 11:14 am
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Which suggests it isnt that he is great at manipulating people since otherwise he would have done so back in 2000 but instead the environment has changed so his approach now works.

Have to strongly agree with this. Obviously it's not a cliff edge of change... but the changes to where "public discussion" occurs and how opinion forming takes place over the last 30 years* have really ramped up in just the that last few years.

[ *Everyone has watched the movie, "VICE", yes? If not, make sure you do. ]


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 1:37 pm
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Have to strongly agree with this

So you think it was perfectly feasible for someone who was neither a Republican candidate nor a Democrat candidate to win the 2000 US presidential election?

And the fact that Trump didn't proves he lacks powers of persuasion?

Okay.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 2:49 pm
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A long but interesting article by Jeremy Bowen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkjxlml42vo

But his Western allies are already hoping that transactional Trump may be more flexible than Joe Biden - a self-proclaimed Zionist - would ever be, especially if he wants the Saudis to join the Abraham Accords.

 

Peace in the Middle East is perhaps the greatest prize in global diplomacy, because it is so elusive and at the moment so distant.

I agree with Bowen's assertion that Trump is no friend of the Palestinians but then nor is the Saudi Royal Family - the Palestinians have no oil, no money, not even any land, why would the brutal self-serving Saudi dictatorship give a toss about them?

The truth is for the same reasons as Trump - for political expediency. One of the reasons why the Saudi dictatorship is so brutal towards any dissent is that like many dictatorships they feel very insecure. They cannot afford to turn their backs on the Palestinian cause, and they know it.

The reason for the likely Gaza ceasefire is that Trump let it be known to Netanyahu that he has bigger fish to fry. Including the normalisation of Saudi-Israeli relations and Trump's particular obsession, China's growing regional influence.

As an ambitious narcissist Trump is desperate to have his place in the history books. Peace in the Middle East and China's containment wouldn't be a bad legacy for an American president. But although Trump has scored a major victory before even being inaugurated as US president with the Gaza ceasefire imo peace can only come with justice, and although there might be some sort of botched deal there can never be justice whilst an apartheid regime exists in the region.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 4:45 pm
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That on the previous page is a terrible thing to do to an innocent cat.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 6:50 pm
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Well you reap what you sow. Can only hope its the standard US conservative agenda, with big tax breaks for the rich, and nothing too extreme internationally.


 
Posted : 17/01/2025 8:36 pm
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Had my eye on the crypto charts lately, noticed a new coin come in. Can it be real? Really? Yes. It can. It is.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2025/01/18/official-trump-coin-how-did-we-get-here/


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 9:48 am
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So you think it was perfectly feasible for someone who was neither a Republican candidate nor a Democrat candidate to win the 2000 US presidential election?

This might come as a shock to you but Trump was the Republican candidate in 2016,2020 and 2024. Times changed to allow him to be but again if you look at him he didnt.

The only change directly for him was being in the apprentice (something driven by others) which allowed him to portray himself as a brilliant businessman and get lots of PR.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 10:37 am
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That trump coin made an insider 20,mill in hours.

American really  will rot over the next 4 years.

FEED THE SWAP

FEED THE SWAP.

that is what he said I believe


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 10:46 am
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The only change directly for him was being in the apprentice (something driven by others) which allowed him to portray himself as a brilliant businessman and get lots of PR.

Americast did a very interesting article on how the Trump brand (which is what he is really, even as president) came into being. And a lot of it is about portraying himself as successful even in failure. He would manage to persuade creditors not to take the trappings of success off him when things went tits up because they had a better chance of getting some of their losses back if he continued to at least look rich. The Apprentice producers didn't want Trump, he was well known but nobody took him seriously - but they  basically ended up with Trump because every real business mogul they asked turned them down, on account of real success in business being an actual full time job - it was also supposed to be a different millionaire each series, but once Trump had been featured in the first series there was no chance of anyone serious agreeing to do it after that.

Trump the billionaire is their invention - they made up his back story, gave him scripted  prophetic business lessons to impart and so on - even had to build a boardroom for him becuase his real offices looked shite - they had to do those things for their format to work in the absence of the real successful businessmen that they couldn't get

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0k3hk0z


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 12:42 pm
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The international big guns are already there for the inauguration tomorrow….

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Posted : 19/01/2025 1:12 pm
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This might come as a shock to you but Trump was the Republican candidate in 2016,2020 and 2024. Times changed to allow him to be but again if you look at him he didnt.

Yes so why did you mention his candidature in 2000 when he wasn't actually the Republican candidate?

It hardly provides an example of his alleged poor powers of persuasion as you appear to suggest it does.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 2:12 pm
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It hardly provides an example of his alleged poor powers of persuasion as you appear to suggest it does.

I have no idea what you are babbling on about now. So I will let you continue to argue with an imaginary version of me.

Insert whatever shit you want {here} and then show your skills in defeating it.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 2:30 pm
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Suella Braverman, with Lawrence Fox, filmed in Washington airport wearing a MAGA baseball cap.

That's a former UK Home Secretary.

Her husband has joined reform. Hope she goes over to them as well.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 2:36 pm
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I have no idea what you are babbling on about now. So I will let you continue to argue with an imaginary version of me.

Insert whatever shit you want {here} and then show your skills in defeating it.

Wow. I know that your anger is constantly on a hair trigger but perhaps try to remember what you posted before launching into a personal tirade?

Here's a reminder of what you wrote. :

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The problem with this is if you look back to older records from his first presidential campaign in 2000 and even further back to his comments on the central park five at the time his methods, techniques and arguments havent really changed.

Which suggests it isnt that he is great at manipulating people since otherwise he would have done so back in 2000 but instead the environment has changed so his approach now works.

If Donald Trump failed to convince sufficient people in the 2000 US presidential election it is more likely to be connected to the fact that he wasn't the Republican candidate in that election rather than a reflection on his poor powers of persuasion.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 3:49 pm
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Her husband has joined reform. Hope she goes over to them as well.

There’s a certain inevitability to it, don’t you think?


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 7:27 pm
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TBH there’s a something a bit sad with our ex pm and former Home Secretary wandering around looking for photo opportunities wearing Maga caps.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 7:51 pm
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There’s a certain inevitability to it, don’t you think?

Maybe blurring into the tory thread I would say there would be two primary considerations for her.

Best chance of keeping a seat

Best chance of being a leader.

Probably worth staying in the tories until late in the cycle giving best chance for another leadership stab before seeing which way the polls suggests she goes.

Getting back to Trump.

Looks like Tiktok have paid him off to stay online. I would say the reverse ferreting from all the republicans, who voted for the law since Trump was a firm fan of banning it in the past, would be funny but they will just deny it all and blame the democrats for it.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 8:17 pm
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Maybe blurring into the tory thread I would say there would be two primary considerations for her.

Best chance of keeping a seat

Best chance of being a leader.

Probably worth staying in the tories until late in the cycle giving best chance for another leadership stab before seeing which way the polls suggests she goes.

it’ll be like that old ‘70s classic Runaround but without Mike Reid for a few of them 🙂


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 8:53 pm
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Back on the grifting if trump owns 80% of that coin he is now richer to the tune of 48billion


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 10:44 pm
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I’ve just seen the new Seal of the President Of The United States, and it’s as imposing as one would hope.

Attributed to Starhawk of the Daily Kos.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 11:24 pm
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Nah thats fake. The hand/wing? isnt clearly outstretched waiting for some cash to be dropped into it.


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 11:32 pm
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Mrs trump has just launched her own crypto coin.

There really is no depth, lower than the underbelly of a slug


 
Posted : 19/01/2025 11:39 pm
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How come Trump's son has turned into Robert Pershing Wadlow.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 12:26 am
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There really is no depth, lower than the underbelly of a slug

Always remember, when you think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, there are other barrels under this one.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 9:10 am
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As part of my tiny and insignificant protests,I shall be doing a radio,TV and live news avoidance for the next 48 hrs.Music playlist and podcasts sorted.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 9:35 am
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The list of things he's apparently going to do in a hail of executive orders from the start is deeply worrying. Doing away with automatic citizenship will be the interesting one, apparently that's in their precious Constitution.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 9:50 am
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At least it's reminding people how backwards the US political system is.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 11:03 am
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Doing away with automatic citizenship will be the interesting one, apparently that’s in their precious Constitution.

But I thought the (largely Republican) NRA supporters like to scream that "YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!"

I noticed at his speech last night he was still using the lectern with "Text TRUMP to 88022" on it. Still fundraising, still grifting, despite having already won.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 11:25 am
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But I thought the (largely Republican) NRA supporteRS like to scream that “YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!”

Its more of a guideline when it doesnt suit them. I am sure they will find a way of deciding how English was written at the time to change the meaning of it. Just like they did with the 2nd amendment when they decided the militia part was completely separate.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 11:31 am
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wonder how the blue and checkered collar workers will feel when their health care is cut to give Musk et al less tax.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 11:52 am
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wonder how the blue and checkered collar workers will feel when their health care is cut to give Musk et al less tax.

fine, it will be immigrants fault.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 12:02 pm
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But I thought the (largely Republican) NRA supporters like to scream that “YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!”

Expect changes in "interpretation" rather than attempts to change the constitution itself. See, also, the interpretation of "invasion" used to repel migrants at the border.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 12:12 pm
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Doing away with automatic citizenship will be the interesting one, apparently that’s in their precious Constitution.

Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The 14th amendment was passed after the Civil War as a response to the decision in Dredd Scott vs. Sanford that blacks did not have the full rights of citizens. To amend the constitution is difficult, but not impossible. You basically need a two-thirds majority in both houses of congress and then three quarters of the states to ratify it. So, basically, 13 states opposing would be enough to sink it even if a bunch of Democrats somehow voted for it in congress.

Trump has zero chance of having it repealed. He may try to issue executive orders to work around it, for example by ordering that birth certificates and social security numbers not be issued to the children of immigrants. I doubt that any court would uphold that. The Supreme Court is quite right-leaning but this would be so obviously unconstitutional that I would expect them to reject it 9-0. The S.C. justices would know that voting to support it would destroy their legacy.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 12:20 pm
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Mrs trump has just launched her own crypto coin.

How come Trump’s son has turned into Robert Pershing Wadlow.

Something thats revealing is the degree to which Melania seems to be putting together her own nest egg - what little campaign trail work she did she demanded payment for - she seems to be getting her finances in order for a separation (or at least insulate herself against the loses Trump still has looming over him)

Baron Trump reveals something pretty interesting aspect of Trump and Melania's relationship. They spend a lot of time apart - but apparently they can also be in the same house and rarely cross paths. Even when they're in the same house she spends most of her time away from him and instead with her parents and her son, mostly speaking Slovenian (which means the Secret Service largely have no idea what they are talking about)

Its worn off now but when he was younger Baron Trump spoke with a strong Slovenian accent - he clearly hardly ever spoke to or even heard his dad when he was growing up (and up and up)


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 1:15 pm
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The S.C. justices would know that voting to support it would destroy their legacy.

I think they have already managed that. I believe the attempts are primarily aimed at children of illegal immigrants so I guess they could try dancing around "jurisdiction".

If they are going for revoking amendments though its going to be the one preventing him from being God-Emperor.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 1:42 pm
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she seems to be getting her finances in order for a separation

Not so sure. Last time he was in office, a lot of Trump's grifting was officially in the name of his family members, to avoid the transparency expected of a sitting president.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 1:45 pm
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The Supreme Court is quite right-leaning but this would be so obviously unconstitutional that I would expect them to reject it 9-0. The S.C. justices would know that voting to support it would destroy their legacy.

Several of them are blatantly corrupt and some of their rulings over the last few years have been obviously political and not based on a reasoned interpretation of the constitution or accepted law. The right-wing SCOTUS members have clearly already pinned their legacy on Trump's MAGA vision, if anything they'll just be doing more of the same (or worse) when it comes to any rulings they make under Trump's presidency.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 2:12 pm
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Several of them are blatantly corrupt

I've got 'Clarence Thomas resigns in plenty of time for someone in their early 20s to be appointed in his place'  on my Trump presidency bingo card

Thomas has been blatant in his asking for and receiving of cash bungs. Through the Biden presidency he'd allow himself to be heard (by influential republicans) that public life was very difficult and he was considering throwing in the towel - which if he did there and then would mean it would be a democrat president nominating his replacement. Every time he did, miraculously, a new, massive recreational vehicle would appear on his front drive or another nephew would get their college fees paid and he'd publicly announce how happy he was to be in office.

I'm sure now that Trump is back in he'll be making it known that he's  just as open to being bribed to leave the Supreme Court as he was to being bribed to stay there.

Of the $4.5m of payments and gifts to Supreme Court judges made in the last 30 years $4.2m has been gifts to Thomas and its suspected that theres at least £2m more that he's yet to declare. (He doesn't declare donations until after they've been discovered by third parties)


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 3:50 pm
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Tomorrow, trump discloses what all those drone sightings over New Jersey were.

silver lining?

that said, he made a lot  of noise about big pharma, etc.

i get the feeling that the media will be extremely uncomfortable with these overtures.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 4:25 pm
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Biden having to pre-emptively pardon Fauci and Milley tells you everything you need to know about the incoming administration. Just petty vengeance in governmental form.

The whole Republican platform appears the answer to the question, 'What if being a vindictive asshole became the most cherished quality in American politics?'


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 4:41 pm
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Just seen the Suella pics at the Trump event today - she looks like she's cosplaying Carmen Sandiego.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 4:42 pm
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As part of my tiny and insignificant protests,I shall be doing a radio,TV and live news avoidance for the next 48 hrs.Musicplaylist and podcasts sorted.

I have it on in the background , has anyone seen Alexander Duggan lately ?


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 4:43 pm
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I have it on in the background

Watching on the remote off-chance that a rogue security guard or secret service agent decides to exercise the sentence in the oath of allegiance about enemies 'foreign or domestic'.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:04 pm
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Biden having to pre-emptively pardon Fauci and Milley tells you everything you need to know about the incoming administration. Just petty vengeance in governmental form

My tiny brain was a bit puzzled by the pre-emptive pardon for Fauci.  If he was going to be charged, is the pardon to stop him exposing Trumps covid stupidity in court? If they want to go after him, they'd just do it?


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:14 pm
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Watching it on Channel 4/youtube at the moment as they all file into the rotunda, why are they playing circus/big top music? - I expect a clown car to career out of the curtains and honk-honk doors fall off etc etc


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:22 pm
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My tiny brain was a bit puzzled by the pre-emptive pardon for Fauci.  If he was going to be charged, is the pardon to stop him exposing Trumps covid stupidity in court?

It's the latter. Whether he Trump would actually go after Fucci or the Jan 6 Committee or not he's never the less  threatened that he will and thats quite a weight to have hanging over you. So the pardon doesn't so much prevent a prosecution (which would be unlikely to succeed in any way)  as go some way to address the harassment of threatening to do so.

Theres lots of things Trump has said he would do (lock her up, lock her up) and didn't do,  but the treat hanging over you is never the less pretty horrible.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:25 pm
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On the plus side the DOGE government body which isnt honest guv since that would cause conflict of interest problems for Musk has already found an efficiency improvement.

Instead of two leaders its down to just Musk after he and Ramaswamy fell out.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:36 pm
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Trump signing an Executive Order to prohibit Diversity, Equity and Inclusion within Government on Martin Luther King Day is not going to age well as a legacy.


 
Posted : 20/01/2025 5:41 pm
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This is crackpot stuff


 
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