CharlieMungus said:
You're a moron.
Quite apt that, about Wales. You just called him a carrot. 😀
scratch, I agree that any stuff litteing the outdoors is an eyesore, however I don't think that litter is what is driving this Welsh policy.
If it was litter then how about 3p on a canned drink, and 10p on a pizza box and 20p on a styrofoam takaway box. Oh and 2p on every piece of candy packaging. That would cover most of what I see littering the streets of Leeds. Don't see many carrier bags.
I am all for saving the planet and cutting litter, but carrier bags is NOT where to start, the only thing it reduces is middle class guilt.
and 12 pence on every syringe
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If it was litter then how about 3p on a canned drink, and 10p on a pizza box and 20p on a styrofoam takaway box. Oh and 2p on every piece of candy packaging. That would cover most of what I see littering the streets of Leeds. Don't see many carrier bags.
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TESCO, are slowly installing machines at their recycling banks at cart parks, that pay out clubcard points for recycling cans and plastic bottles.
CHB - Member
The welsh thing is complete greenwash.
For someone who clearly has a vague grasp of mathematics, you've exhibited some astounding stupidity if you think it's just the oil in the bag itself that's the reasoning. Sure, it's a small part of it, as is the much larger amount required to provide the energy for the manufacture of said bag. What's the issue is the damage they cause to the environment directly.
An obvious example is that when floating in the ocean, to a turtle, they look pretty much like a jellyfish....
That would cover most of what I see littering the streets of Leeds.
Can we start recycling fag ends?
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An obvious example is that when floating in the ocean, to a turtle, they look pretty much like a jellyfish..
Yeah! Obvious!
Where does the money go?
charidee mate!
all for it, should go further and make all the money go to litter picking / recycling / tree planting / "green" charities and schemes.
That's nothing, they cose way more over here in Ireland.
then you should come here and buy your plastic bags
or think of the turtles...
Zokes, thanks for your affectionate and reasoned reply.
You are right I didn't include the energy to make the bag.
I do know enough about polyethylene production and extruded PE films to know that the energy input needed to make the bag is less than the amount of material in the bag. But lets assume its the same. So now you can drive your car 200m for the energy impact of a carrier bag.
As for the turtles, well I shop at Sainsburys, and frankly if the little ninja ****ers can't see a bright orange JS bag then I suggest Darwin is at work.
They can see them, it's just that they think they are yummy jellyfish
Do you get orange jellyfish with writing on?
No, but the bags float upside down and so the turtles can't read them
Oh thats OK then, mine are always thrown away with Labrador poo in the bottom, so they would be the right way up, and probably sink.
Just googled, there are orange jellyfish! None look like a JS carrierbag.
On a more sensible note, can anyone quantify the effect on UK carrierbags entering the oceans of the world? Let alone killing Turtles? Compared with the brutal fishing methods employed accross the world I suspect the effect is minimal, but am happy to see evidence if someone has it.
The other thing to consider with all plastics is the effect of micronised plastics in the foodchain.
Still compared with the vast amounts of fuel and other plastic crud we use I stand by the point that carrierbags are just a sop to calm middleclass guilt.
Orange check.
Writing check.
Plastic check.
Would you? 😉
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Ok, back to the B&Q issue, i accept, I'd pay 5 pence to put my tools in that.
Yes, I would happily throw her into the ocean to be consumed by invertebrates. Bony runt would probably sink though.
....and definately not a bag for life.
Following on from the turtles bit...
I [i]can[/i] see the point of charging for plastic bags. And if it reduces the number full of dogshit tied to hedges all the better. I [i]can't,[/i] however, see the point of charging for paper ones. I mean, they're already biodegradable, as soon as it rains they start to disintegrate. Seems utterly stupid.
until Walmart stop giving them out then there is no point over here.I did some shopping in one the other week and for a medium sized shop the checkout lady bagged my shopping into 30 bags!!!!! one kitchen roll was in its own bag so was a single bottle of Pepsi and so on. Wales isn`t really going to make that much difference
zokes - Member
...An obvious example is that when floating in the ocean, to a turtle, they look pretty much like a jellyfish....
Is that why there are no Welsh turtles now? 🙂
It's just another tithe to Gaia.
I was so pissed off for so long that a couple of days later, i dropped by on the way home, picked up loads of little packets of stuff from around the shop, went they tried to charge me 5p for the bag, I told them I wouldn't buy it and so could carry the stuff and walked out.
I like your style 🙂
without having to faff about with the free bags, and a lot more people bringing their own or just chucking back in trolley, I was banging stuff through the till at 22 items per min instead of about the usual 19 yesterday. That's quite an increase. Makes it easier for me as a checkout chick. The supermarkets don't have to pay for the production of the free bags anymore as this is taken out of the bag charge. They are laughing!
Well that should be a nice little earner for the supermarkets. I bet they cots a fraction of a penny each for them. Is anyone meant to believe that they will count how many they have sold and pass the full amount onto charity?
IF people do stop using the bags then the supermarket will still win as it won't be buying and transporting them round the world.
IF people do stop using the bags then the supermarket will still win as it won't be buying and transporting them round the world.
And more importantly the environment will win because.....