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Wow I am sold, I mean all that other stuff about being able to see the landing sites with actual telescopes etc. that must be rubbish cause a badly edited series of out of context clips has been used to persuade me. Praise Be the LORD!
What the hell was that?
What the hell was that?
Worth adding to the text book of fake news, this one takes the obviously simple route that Ninfan used to use of finding a quote or clip from people you respect and have them deliver your message, with the availability of decent cheap near pro level video editing it can look quite slick.
well, not Exactly self apointed experts BUT i think you might just know a few of em, Lol
Please, tell me you're not serious.
It all goes back to the point I made earlier. Practice your religion if you want. I don't care. But don't try to make me and those I love follow your beliefs.
I am very angry and with good reason about this - again the point I made earlier about the theists interference in how others die. Its disgraceful, unforgivable and makes for a huge amount of suffering.
Let me tell you some stories. Unpleasant and upsetting - be warned.
An old lady I looked after many years ago. Losing her senses, control of her bladder and bowels and ability to walk. She wanted to die. Her life was over. She still had all her marbles but had no ability to take her own life. She was not depressed or otherwise incapacitated by mental illness She decided the only way she could end her miserable existence was to stop eating and starve herself to death. So she did. She would still accept fluids ( including whisky) but no food. It took her 6 weeks to die. She was not in pain so we could not give analgesia. She was not overtly distressed so we could not sedate her ( until the last few days) She remained lucid and coherent until the last couple of weeks. I have seen old women do this numerous times.
Or a family member. He had a number of physical ailments that made his life miserable and full of chronic pain but none of those were terminal. He was housebound and his wife had died a couple of years earlier. he still had all his mental facilities but he knew his life was over and he had had enough. One day he took an overdose fully intending to die. He lay unconscious for 24 hours ( attended to by his family and the gp). It became obvious he was not going to die there and then so was admitted to hospital where he recovered Like all suicides he was seen by a psychiatrist before discharge and the psychiatrist said " this man has capacity, he is presently sane and has a rational desire to die" He was sent home without his strong painkillers to an existence that was even more miserable as a result. 6 months later his GP gave him a prescription for strong painkillers. 2 days later he took the lot. Again he failed to die and was admitted to hospital. He never really recovered from this, was unable to drink and slowly died of dehydration and malnutrition complicated by pressure sores. At one point he woke up a bit and set to another family member who was with him " all wanted to do was go to sleep, why won't they let me" It took him two weeks in hospital to die.
Or a man I looked after - a younger man. Slowly dying of kidney failure. It took weeks and weeks under my care for this man to die. Again he did not have any symptoms we could manage with sedatives or painkillers for many of those weeks. His death was inevitable, his suffering awful. Our ability to alleviate his suffering minimal
. Some consultants and gps will push the boundaries more than others but it is very much a lottery. We are allowed legally to give painkillers and sedatives to relieve symptoms and to be reckless (in its legal definition)i in doing this with regard to its effect on the length of life in terminal cases but we can only use these tools where there is a symptom we can define ie pain or distress. None of these 3 cases ( and many more I have experience of ) was there such a symptom but in all of these cases the suffering still existed and was prolonged.
A humane society would not allow this suffering. It should be a human right to have a dignified death at a time and place of your choosing. The main obstacle to a change in the law is religious groups and people and their influence on our political system. Make no mistake - its been well researched and the vast majority of objections to dignity in death ( an umbrella term for a range of laws, situations and actions) are religious based even tho these are often hidden behind other supposed reasons
Its vile that these people have this ability to use their faith to impose their beliefs upon others and to cause such suffering. I am very angry about this.
Further to my above rant - lets be very clear about this. I have NO desire to impose my strong views on others. I am very aware my views on this are polarised and strong. I will and have fought for people whose known wishes are to fight every step of the way to have what I consider to be futile treatment. I recently had to advise someone who is close to me who has been put in the position of making end of life decisions for someone who is currently unable to take these decisions themselves. I asked " what is their wish? would they want to fight on or would they say enough is enough". The answer was " they would always want to fight on" My reply was that as that is their known view then your duty is to make sure that wish is respected.
Thats the difference. I respect other wishes even when its against my philosophy. Some religious folk do not and their influence causes intolerable amounts of suffering by attempting or succeeding in imposing their views on others
Totally understand why people object to and want to change the presence of religion in education, justice, government etc... I’m not keen on it myself and would gladly vote to remove it.
Let’s be honest though - many have already made what I would see as the main point. So much of this is covered by the majority of people with a belief or no belief being largely reasonable. Why on Earth are we letting a minority of dickheads divide us..?
So much heat and bluster and for what end? As long as people don’t inflict their view on others - who cares and what business is it of anyone else. By all means kick it out of our institutions, I’d sign up for that - as I suspect would many, but let’s be reasonable to each other.
I am very angry and with good reason about this – again the point I made earlier about the theists interference in how others die. Its disgraceful, unforgivable and makes for a huge amount of suffering.
Actually, I think theists have next to nothing to do with this TJ. The widespread support in the UK for pro-choice in abortion makes it fairly unlikely.
As for being angry about the failure of enabling dignity in death - we haven’t got enough anger about giving people dignity in life. We’re all part of a ****ed-up society that gives dignity to people only if they have money. Maybe we could start doing more about that...?
Its well proven that the theists are the major obstacle to dignity in death. Much research done on it. Medical consultants split almost entirely along lines of religious or not for example.
I am angry about it because of what I have seen professionally and amongst my family and friends.
Its well proven that the theists are the major obstacle to dignity in death. Much research done on it. Medical consultants split almost entirely along lines of religious or not for example.
I am angry about it because of what I have seen professionally and amongst my family and friends.
I’d be glad to see the research. I meet a lot of clinical people - largely through my wife and religious or not most seem pro-dignity in death. That’s across nurses, medics and allied professions.
Having watched people I love die in pain and suffering - you have my empathy.
Its a role I have chosen and when it goes well I get a lot out of it personally - its not altuistic
The worst thing about religion in general is the shit music. Hymns, that Buddhist warbling, Christian rock etc. Gospel is just the exception that proves the rule.
Tell that to the Venezuelans
The Venezuelans had Schroedingers balls, that were both being paraded and not being paraded on instagram by corrupt politicians who had embezzled balls that both did not and did exist.
Its a role I have chosen and when it goes well I get a lot out of it personally – its not altuistic
If I read this correctly - i.e you don’t continue your career in nursing with a degree of altruism, I think in the nicest possible way that is at least partly bullshit. One of the things about you that comes across clearly to me is that you are a decent and compassionate man. I don’t doubt you get a strong sense of job satisfaction - but I would be very confident that you have a drive to do good for your fellow humans - simply because it is right, not just because it is rewarding.
Your not making christianity any better, your just making roll and roll worse.
King of the Hill.
I know guys on crack make more sense that you.
Dr Evil
Actually some great music has been written due to the influence of religion. Perhaps you have heard of JS Bach? There have been many others plus there has been a great deal of extraordinary art and architecture, going back many thousands of years, well before Abrahamic religions.
It's not an example of religion poisoning everything, it's just an example of sloppy thinking.
And in mis-reporting the problem, the title and general thrust of the original post therefore propagates sloppy thinking, too.
It is sloppy thinking, and the ease with which it spreads, which is the real poison.
well, not Exactly self apointed experts BUT i think you might just know a few of em, Lol
Oh good grief.
They're talking about technology we have, or had at the time. Like, physically built and in operation. We had the Space Shuttle up until a couple of years ago, we didn't have any working Saturn V rockets lying around. It's like me saying I'm going to buy a car so that I can drive to work and you concluding that I've never driven before and cars don't exist.
I put it to you again. Conspiracy theories and videos of out-of-context quotes aside, if the moon landings were indeed faked do you think other countries would have sat back and said nothing? In the "space race" during height of the Cold War, do you not think that the USSR would've been all over NASA like a tramp on chips if they'd tried to pull the wool over their eyes? That's the only question you need to ask to decide whether it's true or not.
There was a lot of independent observers at the time, and of course Russia, China and other countries have their own space programmes today. Even if - somehow - the USA managed to either fool the entire world or get them all to buy in to a global conspiracy back then, they'd surely have been busted by now. See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings#Independent_evidence
You reckon Putin wouldn't trade his entire gay porn collection for actual evidence that the USA had lied back in 1969? That's an even crazier notion than suggesting that the moon landings were a hoax.
Actually some great music has been written due to the influence of religion. Perhaps you have heard of JS Bach? There have been many others plus there has been a great deal of extraordinary art and architecture, going back many thousands of years, well before Abrahamic religions.
Architecture and art definitely with you on those two fronts. I stand by my original post regarding music though.
Ah well perhaps we have similar taste in art and architecture but not music.
well, not Exactly self apointed experts BUT i think you might just know a few of em, Lol
That video is possibly one of the worst, least convincing of the conspiracy theory genre I have seen. The flat earthers are more believable.
More crap for you lot to Not really think about 😀
Deleted, I've nothing to add to the sordid "debate" about the moon landings other than people who think they're faked are idiots
bit harsh, considering YOU don't REALLY Know for sure! 😉
Not really. There's a wealth of evidence to show men have been to the moon. If the best you can come up with is these (also idiotic) you tube videos that just demonstrate that the people that make them also don't understand science and engineering, then I refer you to my previous remark
If you've got peer reviewed acamdemic work from a recognised and accredited university supervised by a suitable prof, by all means bring it on.
I don't know for sure that the train I took to work this morning started out in Alderley Edge as the timetable said as I got on at a later station.
More crap for you lot to Not really think about 😀
First up, the notion that there was no shielding on the Apollo mission is a lie.
Second, the Van Allen belts were a real threat that was pretty well understood by NASA. They flew at a time when radiation was relatively low, they chose a trajectory which minimised risk and they went really fast.
https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts
I appreciate there's a lot of words there, but there's a YouTube video at the bottom. I can't guarantee that the speech doesn't slow down at though you're talking to an imbecile though.
Oh, here.
Radiation sickness occurs when you have been exposed to around 200 to 1000 ‘rads’ of radiation within a few hours. The Apollo 11 crew were within the belts for less than two hours during their journey to the Moon, and so would have only been exposed to an estimated 18 rads – well within the safe limit. There can still be some adverse effects from even this level of radiation, so NASA made sure that the Apollo 11 spacecraft was well-insulated such that the average dose of radiation over the 12-day mission was just 0.18 rads, or similar to the radiation dosage from a chest X-ray.
I resolve in future to be more like cougar, who clearly has waaay more patience than me.
More crap for you lot to Not really think about 😀
You're right, it IS crap. 🙂
patience, for what?
I haven't been to the moon.
Lawmanmx is trolling you. The winking smiley is a give away.
Moon landing conspiracies really get my goat. How on Earth people think it could be covered up for so long by so many is beyond me. Cretins the lot of them!
Besides, it’s always been my dream to stand on the surface of another body and even now I am so awestruck that humanity has been there.
Well someone must have been there as I once had to collect a briefcase full of moon rocks for a geology exhibition. They were in one of those proper aluminium jobs with a chain cuffed to my wrist to prevent it being snatched. If they weren't moon rocks in there then I fail to understand all the security which went along with it (unless the uni was running drugs and were using us to transport them around London 🙂 ).
Besides, it’s always been my dream to stand on the surface of another body
£500 an hour.
£750 if you want to keep your SPD's on.
Definitely no goats.
even now I am so awestruck that humanity has been there
Funny, Mrs S says that too..........
Besides, it’s always been my dream to stand on the surface of another body
£500 an hour.
£750 if you want to keep your SPD’s on.
Definitely no goats.even now I am so awestruck that humanity has been there
Funny, Mrs S says that too……….
😂😂😂
Agrajag? Is that you?
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was “Oh no.... not again.”
Is there a record for the number of times the same dude can get banned in a single thread?
This thread has me thinking. Is there an equivalent of Godwin's Law, where all threads tend towards conspiracy theory, and more particularly the moon landing?
Woppit's Law
should not give in to creationist parents
And, just to clear it up for those who don't know: Creationism ≠ Christianity.
and Religion ≠ Christianity, just as God ≠ Your Christian God we have heaps to choose from.
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Yep, the ancient Greeks certainly had a few to choose from. Good on 'em.
I'll go with all the people referring to God while ignoring the few hundred other mythical creations out there.