So are we going to ban all the cola ads with the topless hunks s as it’s just sexual gratification to sell a drink.
No-one's talking about banning anything. Step away from the Daily Express and switch your brain back on.
I don’t understand why everyone needs a role model these days to copy.
Now that it's rebooted, maybe have a little think about why you might not understand that.
Schools kill the desire to do sport for both boys and girls. Either through lack if interest from teachers or bullying from other kids. It’s the exposure to abuse - two or three times a week every week.
If you weren’t ‘in’ you didn’t count.
I never did sport outside school as the piss taking didn’t stop at the school gates. I was the fat lad who got picked last for football, cricket - bloody everything!
I was 21 when i found mountain biking and it was a revelation and consumed the next 25 years of my life.
To blame pit girls and the like for lack of female interest is rather a stretch!
You’re no better than those who objectify women. You, like them simply want to exert control over others choices and dress it up as altruistic concern.
Really you are funny, is it your own work or do you have a writer!
Pit girls should go then maybe we can start to look at the state of the nations youth,expanding waistlines and reduction in the participation in physical activity a little deeper than simply waving it away because some lasses want to make an easy buck in Monster hotpants and crop top.
Ever heard of multivariate factors having impacts? You seem to want to know why people don't get involved in sports? The answer are numerous in number and casual sexism is undoubtedly a factor in this. If you cannot see this then you are clearly a lost cause.
I didn't start a thread just to say banning pit girls would solve sexism in sport, but the op asked his question and it seems clear to anyone with half a functioning brain cell that the don't promote inclusivity.
Schools kill the desire to do sport for both boys and girls.
Oh yeah sorry, should have known it would be schools fault 😄😄😄
i’m outraged that you are asking a forum member if his or her daughters are “fit” and if he or she will share pictures!
Pretty sure he was taking the piss in a satirical manner
Quite.
The poster I replied to was suggesting that the Monster girls are little different from his daughter, I was attempting to challenge that notion. Your reaction was exactly what I was trying to instil and neatly demonstrates the point I was making.
Which ones, the ones leering or the ones taking upon themselves to speak for women
All beginning to sound like The Iranian Council for Women 😕
Would love to see men in speedo's exclusively, might attract more women to watch.
What about using them to attract more women onto this forum ?
But then perhaps they'll start a thread on the objectiveness of men. No doubt some will even claim it empowers them 🙄
Sorry A-A but I still see it now with my nieces school. The pressure to perform is massive (athletics and horse riding! (NSEA)). Both girls are 14 and both are talking of jacking in the sports they love due to the pressure put on them mainly from other kids who they compete with and kids who have no interest and take the piss.
Should we be complaining about overt sexualisation there?
The problem isn't overt sexualisation. The problem is one of appropriate sexualisation.
once again we have a load of mostly white, early to post middle aged blokes making decisions for women so for that reason
Pretty much the answer to the 'role model' question from 20 minutes ago.
AA confirmed troll.
I didn’t start a thread just to say banning pit girls would solve sexism in sport, but the op asked his question and it seems clear to anyone with half a functioning brain cell that the don’t promote inclusivity.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
I'm sure Monster will have done their market research and provide exactly what their target audience wants...
So, to get to the point, anyone who wants "inclusivity" would be better off not watching the X-Games. Luckily for us, the OP has learnt this lesson and shared it with us all.
Now, I guess, those that want something different now need to find another event or sport to get behind (or, heaven help us, organize something themselves...). There seems a fair few people of here who would prefer something different so obviously there's an opportunity to make some money somehow...
We are a million miles away from the 70s and 80s for female sporting role models. They are everywhere now and used heavily by mainstream brands in all sorts or promotion and advertising.
Some sports still have a way to go though.
You could count them on one hand 40 years ago.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
No.
A better question might be, do you think they should?
both are talking of jacking in the sports they love due to the pressure put on them mainly from other kids who they compete with and kids who have no interest and take the piss.
Which is sad but is that society being reflected in the kids who are in school. Schools can only do so much, at the end of the day kids are influenced by much more than teachers
once again we have a load of mostly white, early to post middle aged blokes making decisions for women
Where? Has anyone even suggested that women shouldn't do podium and pit "girl" stuff, whatever that is? I think most people are saying that it makes an event look a bit naff, and frankly slightly embarrassing to watch. But then we are talking x games. And then there's all the women in society/women in sport issues where I think podium girls are more symptom than cause (I blame the teachers, obv 😉) but whatever. It's the event organisers who need to stop with this.
And then there's a few folks who appear unable to read what's been written.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
Nope, nope, I think they do. Those who think said sports are a bro-only zone are very much the minority, contrary to what many would like to believe. Sadly though some are the organisers of events.
The issue is X-games are happy to have the Monster girls there, other events don't entertain it. In terms of women's BMX the organisers failed to satisfy the ladies demands for equal 'billing' so to speak so they chose to boycott and since then the X-Games organisers haven't bothered billing events, likewise with the FMX. Which is bizarre as they have similar numbers of ladies competing in the Skate and in all events at the winter X-Games.
Thankfully those invested in those sports know where they can find the women to look up to as they're not as absent as people make out, just that comp that has long since lost its prestige.
I think they should follow the olympic model and have badly dressed men and women looking awkward with a tray of medals and flowers. Much more 21st century.
Not blaming the teachers A-A - it’s the goldfish bowl they are put in.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity
Clearly not, which is the point isn't it?
Not blaming the teachers A-A
You might as well, lazy wastrels with nothing to do all summer than argue on the interweb!
…and then they want two bloody inset days after a summer lounging around to ‘prepare’ for the new term!!! 🤣🤣
And they knock off at three!
i’m outraged that you are asking a forum member if his or her daughters are “fit” and if he or she will share pictures!
or do i have the wrong end of the stick?
It's cool, I got his point and know his style well enough to know that was the last thing he was implying.
@cougar I realise my reply to that reads back a bit shitty, apologies if that's the way I came across, it was a bit of a cut and paste job on the phone and kinda lost track of tone throughout. I get your point but I'll counter it with this: why is one just a bunch of girls in sports clothing and the other girls in skimpy clothing? The coverage and fit are the same, the goal may be different but if someone chooses to objectify a woman because of what she's wearing then surely that's the observers problem rather than the woman? I get that there's an added element of intent but then we're not much of a step from there to "she provoked it by dressing like that". Rather than censoring what women wear maybe we should be teaching folk about consent and restraint.
And they knock off at three!
3.10 for me, I'm over worked!
Relapsed mandalorian
The leerers of course but you knew that
I haven't seen anyone speaking for women. Ive seen a few men who understand sexual politics in the 21st century attempting to explain it to men stuck in the 70s
Its really pathetic that in 2022 there are so many men who don't get it. Disheartening even.
Tbh it just seems cringey as fk
I haven’t seen anyone speaking for women. Ive seen a few men who understand sexual politics in the 21st century attempting to explain it to men stuck in the 70s
No, what they've been doing is explain their interpretation of 21st century sexual politics.
The Brand manager of that company is a woman. The brand managers who manage many other areas of overly sexualised influencer areas are also women.
So tell me again exactly what dog in this fight do men have? I see you all bravely criticising those who like this 90's throwback, but I don't see you being brave enough to go after them women who are running this rather lucrative racket or the women who chose it as an industry, source of income, or simply fun.
I guess that's the thing with luxury beliefs, they don't have to be meaningful, just sound it.
Tbh it just seems cringey as fk
It's very 90's but then so is the drink and that event. It hasn't really changed it's format or outlook since it blew up. Sadly the money in some of those sports means some athletes do a deal with the devil to get to the invite events to increase exposure.
If Red Bull went that way with a mutli-sport event I reckon it could prove a worthy competitor.
It’s very 90’s but then so is the drink
<pedant mode>Monster Energy was created in 2002</pedant mode>
It’s very 90’s
Nowt wrong with that. I think in many ways we've been going backwards since then.
Monster Energy was created in 2002
Fair point, but you get my drift, chicks in lycra mincing about.
Nowt wrong with that. I think in many ways we’ve been going backwards since then.
Not in regards to actual sport we're not. Seem to be getting shitter.
Rather than censoring what women wear maybe we should be teaching folk about consent and restraint.
Good to see this appear in the thread.
I'll add that people need to understand the difference between social and sexual seduction. We like to please socially - social seduction, and that can include the way we dress. Dressing up for a night out whether male or female doesn't necessarilly indicate you're looking for sex.
Relapsed mandelorin
I'd invoke hattersley's rule if i were you. "When in a hole stop digging"
If you would like to learn and understand i can recommend you a reading list
Relapsed mandelorin
I’d invoke hattersley’s rule if i were you. “When in a hole stop digging”If you would like to learn and understand i can recommend you a reading list
Ah the standard response of the internet activist. I've been pretty clear about the concept
But as pointed out it's not as simple as you and your ilk like to make out. But you know, you keep being your usual condescending self, I don't need a reading list to learn and understand, I fully understand the complexity of this issue and the impact that it can have, but it runs deeper than your rather myopic activism leads you to believe.
Tbh it just seems cringey as fk
Even the name is lame.
Okay plenty of views so let's clarify.
Do you object to pit girls because:
1. They wear sexy clothing, hence being portrayed or seen as sex object degrading the role of women?
2. They work in the role of attracting men which is considered as "selling" themselves?
3. They work in the best way they can with their assets?
4. They work?
Which one of the above answer or all or any of the combination?
It’s cool, I got his point and know his style well enough to know that was the last thing he was implying.
I have a style? Cool, had to happen eventually. 😁
@cougar I realise my reply to that reads back a bit shitty, apologies if that’s the way I came across,
And by turns also, I didn't think you were being shitty at all. No apology required. Group hug.
why is one just a bunch of girls in sports clothing and the other girls in skimpy clothing? The coverage and fit are the same, the goal may be different
You've perhaps just answered your own question.
Do you object to pit girls because:
1...
2...
3...
4...
No. Keep trying.
So tell me again exactly what dog in this fight do men have?
What dog in this fight do you have?
No. Keep trying.
Exactly what you are objecting if none of the 4 above answers?
Exactly what you are objecting if none of the 4 above answers?
That men create a demand for women that are
seen and not heard in all aspects of life and the knock on effect that has on the rest of society.
Exactly what you are objecting if none of the 4 above answers?
Read the thread. Several people have explained it multiple times.
That men create a demand for women that are
seen and not heard in all aspects of life and the knock on effect that has on the rest of society.
Are you saying the men created the demand for men predominantly?
So what are the men attracted to exactly?
Read the thread. Several people have explained it multiple times.
Others have their views but what's yours exactly?
Read the thread. I have explained it multiple times.
fully understand the complexity of this issue and the impact that it can have, but it runs deeper than your rather myopic activism leads you to
Clearly you do not otherwise you would t keep posting sexist nonsense.
Just keep digging that hole. You have mafe it perfectly clear your ignorance and sexism
I know, why don’t we keep the pretty girls so as not to ruin it for everyone. But satisfy the wokery by changing their name to ‘pit persons’ and have them cover up in a full length shroud-type garment. I bet those girls hate being the centre of attention, and would be liberated from sexist men finding them desirable.
