I very much doubt a girl/woman destined for a career in nuclear science/medicine/other high grade career job is going to be swayed by anything a Monster Pit Girl does or earns.
Life is full of normal distributions, shift the middle just a bit and you have a big effect!!
Girls refers to those before menarche. Its women after that age
Best tell my wife that as she refers to all of her female friends as girls - even those past retirement age.
naffness of the x games for providing them
It's probably out of the X Games hands; it's more down to one of their major sponsors, Monster Energy
Best tell my wife that as she refers to all of her female friends as girls
Are any of them pit girls?
My daughter is 19 and I can say there’s no normal in the career choices her ex schoolfriends have made. Although becoming a Psychology Teacher seems a popular option!
Probably half have gone to Uni - one studying Law (alongside an instagram option too). One who’s parents pushed her horrendously from Primary school now has a 1yr old child (parents were gutted when they found out). Several earning good money in chain restaurants and one earning a shit-load on OnlyFans.
My daughter - she shovels horse-shit 7 days a week! 🤣🤣
Meh… I’m struggling to be too outraged
Not everyone has the ability to be a lawyer/scientist/doctor/whatever is deemed an acceptable career on here. I imagine the alternative for quite a lot of the girls that see a career as an influencer or promotions girl as aspirational, is a career selling makeup at boots
If you don’t like the ethos of the x games, don’t watch it
I’m damned if I’m wading through a JHJ Wall O’ Links
Given the thread, maybe you should give it a try.
Bunch of white middle-aged blokes deciding they know what's best for women again?
Imagine my surprise.
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Dear god there really is no hope!!
i agree. Why should you decide what these lashes choose to do for a living. What else are you going to decide women shouldn’t have the choice to do
Maybe it's their embarrassing boner they are trying to stop?
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't think the brands should be promoting themselves or sports this way. But there shouldn't be a problem for someone to talk to their family about what the women are doing.
The question isn't around whether they should have the freedom to choose, of course they should. The question is whether there should be a job there at all for them to choose to do.
Is it still right that we use young girls as essentially advertising sex coupled to a brand? Do you think this helps counter the attitude that women are things to be taken/owned/bought?
Anyone is free to do whatever they want with their body, but when it's coupled to the idea of sex(y) and selling, It's the wrong message.
Clearly brainwashed scotroutes
(I'll let you tell her that)
😀
And while we're at it we'll get rid of 90% of the cimema industry, pop music videos, most of the glossy printed press, most television shows...
It's Monster selling tins of tooth-rotting, heart-disease-inducing, mildy stimulating tins of shit to spotty adolescent boys.
I hope the ladies that do it have a ball and enjoy spending their hard earned. They aren't the problem, anyone stupid enough to consume Monster most definitely is. Tax it!
Do you think this helps counter the attitude that women are things to be taken/owned/bought?
And that women are to be seen but not heard. You know when STW publishes something outside of MTB focus on FB and instagram and folk (normally Americans) start screaming ‘don’t talk politics’ or ‘only talk about MTB’? It’s the same for these girls when they post stuff other than T&A, all from men telling them to ‘stay in their lane’, and that their opinions are neither expected nor wanted.
You reckon those attitudes are just reserved for insta models, or all women they encounter?
I do love how many people here are missing the point.
It's the lack of aspiration for any female watching the X-Games, as I pointed out earlier, from 19 events, only 2 seemed to be for women & those were both skateboarding.
That's not good enough - if a young girl is watching they're only going to see skateboarding or bikini'ing as an option for them, not BMX, not MotoX. Representation is important.
Watch this -
for the hard of understanding it'll help give you a woman's perspective of how hard it is when representation doesn't exist.
Meanwhile it's fun to be called a handwringer for just trying to make a better inclusive world for our daughters.
Why go if you think there will be inappropriateness?
Cause i dont see why an event that is to do with sports should be taken off limits because some brands are happy including soft porn in their brand image.
Why would you bring a 6 yr old there in the first place?
i wouldnt, as stated (though i did go around with my Girlfriend, Ex girlfriend an Ex girlfriends mother, once)
I am not sure what is there to explain if she does not ask?
i dont know about yours, but mine would.
Calling people hard of understanding doesn't help though does it?
That's beautifully put PrinceJohn.
It's also interesting that it's the people who have an issue with the OP's original point who describe "outrage" and "handwringing", when the point being made is neither of these things - rather it is a sensible and measured criticism of the way a sport is being managed and publicised in a sexist way. It wasn't a comment on the individuals who are employed to stand there looking sexy.
I would also add to those who suggest that kids might not pick up on this sort of thing: They definitely do. The way society normalises certain things is immensely influential - I see it in my kids and others, in ways that they are conscious of and not. Things have definitely improved since I was a kid, but being a parent has made me much more aware of how far we still have to go to move towards an equitable society.
I think it's brilliant that people point these issues out, and even if people go too far with it sometimes (which I don't we are here) it's in an effort to make the world a better place for everyone, which in my view is an honourable endeavour.
Thanks Thinksta.
Calling people hard of understanding doesn’t help though does it?
I was biting my tongue. Should I have been harsher? Maybe said for the sexist dickheads on this forum who seem happy to alienate 50% of the population?
Why should you decide what these lashes choose to do for a living. What else are you going to decide women shouldn’t have the choice to do
Like I said, no hope. Are you really that stupid or did you not read any of the previous posts?
By the why what does lashes mean?
You guys really aren't going to improve your daughters world by calling people stupid.
I dunno about that, being able to recognise stupid people is probably a useful life skill.
But it won't open their eyes or change their views.
It’s the lack of aspiration for any female watching the X-Games,
To be fair, that's hardly a problem exclusive to X-Games. There's a lack of female sporting role models in many sports and indeed outside of sport, and no shortage of men trying to ensure that this remains the case. As a random example, look at the outcry when Jodie Whittaker was announced as the 13th Doctor.
But it won’t open their eyes or change their views.
You can't change the views of the stupid. They're too stupid. Believe me, I've tried.
You can, of course, help form your children's views.
But by trying to win an argument by being derogatory, is that the way to teach your child?
But by trying to win an argument by being derogatory, is that the way to teach your child?
Ok I take your point.
The rest of my points still very much stand.
So to bring this back on topic (sorry) that wall o'links is interesting. Forget about total numbers since it's not an either/or thing, it shows the Monster Girls have a vastly greater following than any of the athletes. Now that could be down to many reasons, one of which could be a simple Venn diagram. But it still doesn't take away the gulf in numbers.
Having actually followed Charlotte Worther for a few years now the issue is more deep rooted than that. People see the women's event as less technical, lower skilled and therefore not worthy of the prize purse the men get. Which is shite but here we are.
Getting rid of pit girls is an easy target but is of little benefit to the athletes themselves when they are still earning bugger all compared to their male counterparts. The sexism runs far deeper than a bit of eye candy at an event I wasn't even aware was still going (certainly no pro bmxer or manufacturer I follow ever mentions it).
Cougar has it nailed tbh, either balance it out (christ, nobody turned gay by watching Chris Pontius doing his Party boy skits in Jackass) or just bin it entirely.
Lastly, "soft porn"?? Really? Then you wonder why people accuse you of being hysterical? You see worse wandering about the high street.
But it won’t open their eyes or change their views.
I doubt anything would. If someone comes onto a thread and says something that, whether you agree with it or not has been eloquently dealt with* at least five times by other people, they are either stupid, trolling or genuinely sexist.
*Not by me
Getting rid of pit girls is an easy target but is of little benefit to the athletes themselves
No doubt true but it conflates two points that are different, although both linked by sexism. No reason why removing podium girls can't be done whilst calling for female athletes to have better representation and be paid more.
I find the attitudes of some of the people on here, those that call other people stupid and sexist for having a different opinion (on a fairly contentious subject), far more troubling than the concept of podium girls
I personally feel that they are an outdated concept that is unnecessary and adds nothing to the spectacle, however I can see both sides of the argument
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
Well after 5 pages I thought I'd better have a look at what the fuss was all about.
Ah Monster!!
You see worse wandering about the high street.
Or better depending on your taste. Wearing what you want within western society's limit of covering some quite small areas is a basic freedom, and who are we to say better or worse? They are personal calls we should keep to ourselves.
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
To some, yes. They see it as some form of marxist woke thought police suppressing their god given rights to express themselves on the internet without challenge.
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
it's a surprisingly common position, IME
I find the attitudes of some of the people on here, those that call other people stupid and sexist for having a different opinion (on a fairly contentious subject), far more troubling than the concept of podium girls
If people are calling someone sexist because of an opinion then it's that opinion that is the issue because it's sexist.
Sexism should be called out, in just the same way as racism & homophobia. It should have no place in society.
My how time flies...
7 years since the moral horror of sockgate!
https://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/interbike-spawns-sockgate-scandal/
4 years since F1 grid girls became obsolete
and yet, it's only now that the links between victoria's secret and the network surrounding Jeffrey Epstein are coming to light...
During the 1990s, both Epstein’s and Wexner’s profiles grew on the world stage. In 1991, Wexner cofounded a philanthropic organization of Jewish billionaires known as the Mega Group, which uses some of its vast resources to shape Middle East policy. In 2003, Wexner’s foundation commissioned GOP messaging guru Frank Luntz to advise American Jewish leaders on how to rally support for Israel. “For a year—a SOLID YEAR—you should be invoking the name of Saddam Hussein and how Israel was always behind American efforts to rid the world of this ruthless dictator and liberate their people,” Luntz’s recommendation stated.
Epstein kept close in that circle of influence. U.N. ambassador Bill Richardson and Middle East envoy George Mitchell allegedly participated in Epstein’s sex ring, according to a lawsuit filed by Giuffre. (Richardson and Mitchell adamantly deny the allegations.) Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak was an Epstein confidant. Epstein invested $1 million in one of Barak’s business ventures; Barak reportedly visited the East 66th Street condo building. Dershowitz told me he once arrived at Epstein’s town house as Epstein and Barak were wrapping up lunch. On a chalkboard, Barak had drawn a map of how the West Bank should be divided. (Barak could not be reached for comment. In 2019 he denied any wrongdoing related to the condo visits.)
During his time as Wexner’s financial guru, Epstein’s holdings grew tremendously—sometimes by acquiring properties formerly owned by Wexner such as the town house on East 71st Street, one of the largest private homes in Manhattan. While it has been reported over the years that the home was transferred to him in a $1 transaction-—and Epstein may have led people to believe that—documents show he paid Wexner $20 million for it. In Columbus, Epstein owned a 10,000-square-foot house next to Wexner and, according to Merritt, paid a below-market price for one of The Limited’s private jets. (Epstein also reportedly oversaw construction of Wexner’s superyacht, Limitless.) Merritt recalled once asking Wexner why Epstein was so well compensated. “Les just said, ‘Because I got more money than I can ever spend,’ ” said Merritt. “Les gave him free rein over his checkbook.” In 2019, the Wall Street Journal reported Epstein earned $200 million from Wexner. Merritt puts the number at $400 million.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of titilation or flirting - it makes the world go around.
Who doesn't enjoy it?
All these men on here sticking up for women have clearly never been to a ladies night! They're worse than blokes when they all get together!!
Given the thread, maybe you should give it a try.
I probably should but I've been burned from previous JHJ nonce sequitur derailment posts.
and yet, it’s only now that the links between victoria’s secret and the network surrounding Jeffrey Epstein are coming to light…
QED.
Teehee, made you think!
There’s nothing wrong with a bit of titilation or flirting – it makes the world go around.
Who doesn’t enjoy it?
All these men on here sticking up for women have clearly never been to a ladies night! They’re worse than blokes when they all get together!!
Context is king.
Maybe they are, but I wouldn't expect to have to deal with a pissed hen do in the middle of a skateboarding competition.
Maybe they are, but I don’t expect to have to deal with a pissed hen do in the middle of a skateboarding competition.
that I would watch, to be fair
