These disingenuous liars and need to be barred from holding positions of power for ever. The level of contempt they have for evidence and facts and their electorate is sickening. T. May is a desperate and weak warmonger, slavishly following orders from her masters.
The magic money tree is back.
Let's face it, it's practically a forest in these sort if times.
4 UK jets bomb Syria ..
DasFurhur says “no practicable alternative”
UK local elections coming up..
Pre-emotive strike eh Contards.
What a stupid move by the uk.
Standard political distraction technique. Everything is going to shit, let's start a war so the papers write about that instead.
Well, that's the use of chemical weapons in the future prevented, then. Right?
Seems we're pretty unanimous here.
BBQ at mine tonight - you bring the beer, Russia will provide the heat for toasting my burger.
So May isn’t bothering with trifling matters like consulting parliament now? She has no majority, and no clear mandate for military action either in parliament or the country, so she just bypasses that and does what Donald trump tells her. Disgusting. It’s Iraq all over again.
We don't need Parliament's permission to go to war - we have a monarchy to decide stuff like that. Makes you proud, eh?
I’ve woken up disgusted that an individual who shows a complete inability to secure a viable future for our country has sped up the process by taking us to war of her own merit. If we wanted to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria it needed to be done by a proof point and via the UN. We now look like the stupid kid that teamed up with the bully because he thought it was cool to do so.
I’m not political in the slightest, but since May took over this country has been falling further into the mire with every day that passes. Never in my lifetime have I known a less successful leader and someone so difficult to support. She needs to go, soon.
And lets face it, the “world” is now led be a bunch or self effacing children with no idea beyond there own ambition of how to lead people to a successful conclusion. Dark times.
Not really surprised that May jumped in with the US; she has a very long history of riding on the coat tails of others ... but why Macron?
Was he told to by his EU leaders to take some of the shine off Mays obedience with Trump??
The world just became a far more dangerous place: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Potentially partisan source but this is an interesting video
Obviously we can't see what was put on afterwards to know if it's a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.
“BBQ at mine tonight – you bring the beer, Russia will provide the heat for toasting my burger.”
I’ll ask Yuri to bring the Coca Cola and Budweiser. I don’t know where he gets it from but it’s the cheapest I’ve seen.
FFS - I'm booked in for BPW next weekend. Hope Russia hasn't leveled the place by then - would kinda make uplift pointless.
Stupid move by the uk as with Brexit another thing I don't want to be a part of.
Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet, my mortgage got approved Wednesday but house isn't built till August.
Even the pro brexit hang everyone motorbike forum I look at ,think bombing Syria is a shit idea. Even Farage has been against it.
Hopefully the whole country will save putin the job and give our leaders a comprehensive kicking.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Our track record of intervening in Syria and the Middle East is terrible.
2:04 AM - Apr 14, 2018Nigel Farage.
Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet, my mortgage got approved Wednesday but house isn’t built till August.
You've still got time to add a nuk bunker to your plans ...
Obviously we can’t see what was put on afterwards to know if it’s a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.
I agree. I recently read a book which contained a section which I cen’t remember verbatim but basically stated “don’t think for one minute top news readers are paid a lot of money to present the news; they are paid a lot of money to make sure you continue to hear what those above them want you to hear”.
Sup up your beer and collect your fags
There's a row going on down near Syria
Get out your mat and pray to the west
I'll get out mine and pray for myself
Thought you were smart when you took them on
But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room
All that rugby puts hairs on your chest
What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?Hello-hurrah, what a nice day, for the Eton rifles
Hello-hurrah, I hope rain stops play, with the Eton riflesThought you were clever when you lit the fuse
Tore down the house of commons in your brand new shoes
Compose a revolutionary symphony
Then went to bed with Donald TrumpHello-hurrah, cheers then mate, its the Eton rifles
Hello-hurrah, an extremist scrape, with the Eton riflesWhat a ..
Currently in Kirkcaldy, it’s hard to imagine a Nuclear War making any difference.
Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet,
I was thinkin why the **** did i pay mine off last night...lol
In other news i never cut the fat off my bacon this morning...enjoy it while you can.
On a more morbid note i was sat thinking some of those parents lost kids in a gas attack , whos job is it to protect those who cant protect themselves .
Strategically doesnt seem very clever:
Bomb an area prior to evidence gathering that could lead to greater support for action.
Become the aggressor.
Support extreme Islamic ground forces.
I wouldnt expect much else from Trump and May but Macron is the suprise here?
Maybe (hopefully) they know something we dont.
Syrians are saying they shot down most of the 112 missiles btw, probs take that with a pinch of salt.
Potentially partisan source but this is an interesting video <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">
Obviously we can’t see what was put on afterwards to know if it’s a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.
Check out the link I posted earlier in this thread to hear the same argument being made.
As I understand it the OPCW were scheduled to visit the alleged chemical plants next week. That'll be the same ones they've just bombed then? Handy that there will be nothing for them to check - unless of course some of the bombs they've dropped were tainted....
I think Putin has misjudged this one, his endgame is domestic power. disrupting the west and sabre rattling makes him look strong, with the odd terrorist act thrown in for good measure, which Russian television simultaneously decries that the enemies of Russia have no where to escape, but of course Russia didn't do nod nod wink wink.
But the US, UK and France all need distractions from domestic problems, and to look strong themselves, so he has handed them an easy short term victory. He really can't win militarily unless he actually does plan on going out in a ball of nuclear flames. I mean ffS who remembers the aircraft carrier limping through the channel last year with accompanying tugs in case it broke down, instead of getting all hot and bothered about it, people should have assembled on the south coast pointed and laughed.
There will be no winners in escalation, the world will be damaged economically and socially, but Russia will lose a lot worse than any other major player (unfortunately the states closest to the Russian borders could lose worst of all).
US/France/UK have done as they said they would. Rightly or wrongly, I think to do nothing would have been a mistake.
Assad was told "Chemical weapons is the red line". To do nothing would have emboldened Assad (and given Putin another victory over the West).
It would appear that the US/France/UK had informed Russia days ago of the intended targets, who as expected told the Assad regime. The facilities had been evacuated or at least given enough time to get their people out.
I see this as a political challenge to Putin by the US/UK and this is the main event IMO.
I don't support Trump or May or an escalation in the Syrian (or a wider) conflict but I don't see how the US/France/UK could be seen to be backing down after the statements made about chemical weapons. I would rather the Syrian civil war never started but we are where we are.
I would not like to explain the gassed Syrian children why nothing was done when they were gassed.
*I have based this on entirely unseen intelligence but assume the US/France/UK have the evidence Macron claims. If this action was taken without the evidence claimed by the US/France/UK then all 3 leaders should resign immediately.
The evidence they've handily destroyed?
What tyres for a nuclear winter?
I'm going Storm Control...maybe Schwalbe will bring out the Comrade Conrad.
Is bombing a "chemical weapons stockpile" a rational act at all? I'd have thought that a little more care might be required.
Why would the Russians nuke a place they had spent a fortune mapping.
http://blogs.bl.uk/magnificentmaps/2017/02/soviet-military-mapping-of-the-cold-war-era.html
The 1:50000 stuff is perfect for the commander of a motor rifle regiment, bridge weight bearing, soft ground, location of large warehousing etc
That may woman is a bit thick tho
She should have done a putin and said ....wtf it wasnt us prove it.
And lets not forget who supplied part of this stockpile of chemicals
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28212724
I can see how we've got here..
Nerve agent on the streets of Salisbury followed by Chlorine (?) in Syria - both with strong ties to Putin.
For Trump et al that's a line in the sand that can't be crossed. Failing to act normalises the use of CW to them.
Do I think we should have bombed them last night? Hell no - what happened to the UK being a moderating force for US military action in the World. Now it seems we can't wait to launch our missiles. Wait 48hrs & we might have had some proof, now? Now, the conspiracy theorists & those with a political axe to grind are going to have a field day. Bloody inept is the only way to describe our current crop of politicians & I include all of them from all parts of the spectrum in that description!
As for the p1ss & wind about a war being a political action re the Falklands? Yeah, like F it is. 1 in 5 support military intervention in the Syria ( https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/two-one-public-oppose-missile-strikes-syria/) & with the Tories being almost universally unpopular, with good reason too, do you really think they'd do this quite so willingly if they didn't think they had no choice?? As for it being a distraction? What? Use one cluster F of a bad decision to fog & hide the mess of another? Uh??? They are just bloody sh1te & that's really about the strength of it.
& yes they probably quite deliberately did it prior to Parliament being recalled next week as they'd know they'd probably lose any kind of debate/vote.
Yet another example of this shower of shite that is the current Gov trying to circumvent democracy.
US/France/UK have done as they said they would. Rightly or wrongly, I think to do nothing would have been a mistake.
Assad was told “Chemical weapons is the red line”. To do nothing would have emboldened Assad (and given Putin another victory over the West).
this and everything else that poster said. Its not good but we have no real choice. We have to do something about Russia in general and we cannot ignore red lines or it renders them meaningless
The real issue is what is the end game/outcome wanted for this conflict [ both Syria and with Russia]. I am not sure the west knows what they want to achieve and I am not sure russia does either [ other than to weaken and destabilise - though it looks very much like they are enabling the West to unite behind a common enemy].
Its all a bit tiresome as I feel like we are just reliving history with the cold war and proxy wars
this and everything else that poster said. Its not good but we have no real choice. We have to do something about Russia in general and we cannot ignore red lines or it renders them meaningless
Aye. **** the evidence (or lack thereof) **** youv'e no democratic mandate, **** the opinion of the population you are dragging into war, **** the lives of the innocents and combatants on all sides. Can't be seen to be making arbitrary red lines and not acting on them.
Are you trolling? If not then your attitude is bizarre at best.
In the meantime during this political posturing, actual people die for others ambitions.
I may be romancing a little but we wouldn't have been here had we got Corbyn.
That's a better world.
Interesting to see how many who immediately dismiss “intelligence sources” about CW or Syria are the same people who unquestionably accept intelligence community sources about Donald Trump and ties to Russia (or golden showers in Russian hotel rooms or that matter)
I like how we have to retaliate to uphold the sanctity of the chemical weapons convention but things like UN authorisation to launch an offensive strike is a non issue
I can also see how we got here and i guess its just as much a political warning to Russia as it was for Syria.
Not really surprised that May jumped in with the USthere
Radio report I heard first thing was that she was urging for action because if it didn't happen quickly she loses the excuse that there wasn't time to consult parliament.
Are you trolling? If not then your attitude is bizarre at best.
Thanks - very rational rebuttal
Handy that there will be nothing for them to check – unless of course some of the bombs they’ve dropped were tainted….
You seem to be suggesting we are lying - its surprises me how many rational fok are wiling to repeat the russian trolling and get all JHJ. You know its not the first attack in Syria , you know they have been before, you know they have found them guilty before of using chemicals . Either we are lying and so are the independent auditors or Russia and asaad are lying. You are free to pick which one and swear at those who disagree with you.
UN authorisation to launch an offensive strike is a non issue
its impossible to get since russia has vetoed resolutions 6 times and will veto any resolution. You know they tried again this wee to pass a resolution
I do agree it was wrong to bypass parliament
It's not actually wrong to bypass parliment though is it, that's just a recent convention rather than a legal requirement
All this does is reinforce that international law isn't important if you are acting on moral grounds, which is a trap as what's moral for me, isn't what's moral for you necessarily
