they feel no need to work to pay more tax, especially in a trade off against family time, cycling, whatever
That's perfectly reasonable, but it's most definitely not what you originally said 🙂
This seemingly unwritten rule that we should never say no to or question the increased costs of Public Services is something that needs to stop.
Lol.. what? How on Earth can you suggest that the cost of public services is not discussed?! It's on the news ALL THE TIME.
If you work hard for it, then you should receive some kind of reward and not just the knowledge that you've funded a pay rise for someone in the public sector.
Hah.. what's wrong with funding payrises for people in the public sector? They work like hell saving lives, teaching your kids and doing all the shit that needs doing to run the coutry and give you and easy life, and they get paid a pittance for it. So most of them need pay rises. Maybe, just maybe, you could cnosider that having to downgrade your next bit of MTB bling might be worth it if some other HARD WORKING person doesn't have to live hand to mouth, or isn't grossly overworked.
This is fun. Fifty pence says despite his reservations about monster lefty argu-threads, solo can't leave this one alone. (He left the thread twice in ten minutes just up there 😀 )
I don't know about tax hikes, but from his posts It looks like what solo's educated hard working folk need is is cuts in tuition fees and reintroduction of grants, as well as proper legislation about hours worked for people paid per year not per hour, and proper overtime payments. 😯
Also consider that the rationalisation of public sector has its impact on income tax take as so much of its overall expenditure is on the salaries of the people that do stuff. You spend less on your public service then yes you take less income tax but you save even more on salaries, but you need to make sure the impact is not taken up in a more costly way by failings and reliance on another public service (eg gp services and ambulance/a&e), or stored up for later stings in the tail eg pfi projects.
You spend the same money on a firm that provides same service but makes a profit and you need to make sure that the profit is taxed as effectively as the wages they are no longer paying (whether that is cuts in staff numbers or what you pay them).
And you need to make sure that the firm in question is not going to need to bailed out by the local authority or similar who commissioned them to do the job and still has the ultimate responsibility to provide the service, and that by working so narrowly 'to brief' that the company doing the job does not cause extra costs to other areas. (This has been a problem in health and social care since as long as i can remember to be fair to the present government though)
But if you sack all those lazy bastard public sector workers, and contract it out to companies like G4S, Capita and Serco who employ people on lower pay with worse T&C's then we save a load of money and get a better service. As every privatisation has proved!
Oh..... Wait...... Hang on a minute......
[quote=binners said]But if you sack all those lazy bastard public sector workers, and contract it out to companies like G4S, Capita and Serco who employ people on lower pay with worse T&C's then we save a load of money and get a better service.
Unfortunately they probably employ the same set of "lazy bastard" workers.
G4S.
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Ssssssshhhhh don't ruin it for me! He's really selling me this whole low tax Tory utopia deal! It sounds great! Now if we can just get rid of poor people, and the disabled, and any other drains on the public purse, just imagine the lifestyle we could all be living FFS!!!!!
I'd definitely have enough for a Carbon Santa Cruz. I'm voting for Dave!
