[Closed] Woman spreads rubbish on skate park

Mad ***** in the vid though!

[i]many kids haven't been taught by their parents that they should take litter home[/i]

Yeah, should've said - or dispose of it properly.

The young lad filming concludes by calling her a '**** bitch' which is out of order and uncalled for.

Not keen on the bitch part but she deserved a few choice insults to be honest.

If that had have been me, I'd have started clearing it up as quick as she was spreading it around. Nothing, but nothing, annoys people more than politeness and staying calm when they're angry.

Kids these days seem to be a lot more pleasant,

No they're not, they're mainly horrible annoying things. Especially the 21 yr old prisoners I deal with, nasty little $shitebags bar none.

Actually, the F---in bitch has given me an idea of what to do in the local woods where I walk the dog.
There's a clearing with a log where yoof sit and there are so many cans and bottles and wrappers left around. Might decorate their sitting log with some doggy logs.

The kid narrating actually comes across quite well. I used to work at a site with a free skate park and one of our many joyful tasks was to go down and clean it up every day.

Filthy little ****ers. Bins everywhere, never used. Rubbish blowing over the entire site, dog's abuse off the kids because one of their mates had smashed a Lambrini bottle in one of the bowls.

Occasionally, one of the less ill - mannered ones would come and demand a brush to sweep the bowls out. That stopped after the 12th non-returned brush, later found snapped, hanging from a tree.

Bit confused. Mad lady is female right? So how is calling her a bitch sexist any more than calling her a stupid woman? Is it now sexist to acknowledge that people have a specific sex?

DrJ - Member
Bit confused. Mad lady is female right? So how is calling her a bitch sexist any more than calling her a stupid woman? Is it now sexist to acknowledge that people have a specific sex?

It appears that in "PC Land" even insults have to be gender neutral in case one risks causing offence. A ridiculous* over-reaction (not talking about the video)

* edited so as not to cause any offense to some as yet unnamed person who is very likely to take offence at my language.

I briefly scanned some of this and all I got was that clodhopper is a timewasting vegan with a chip on his/her/it's shoulder.

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That's a bit meatist.

I assume you think it's ok for someone to speak to your wife, mother, daughters etc in the same manner?

How patronising clodhopper. Women clearly need protecting as they can't stand up for themselves in your eyes.

Reported.

Please.
Make.
It.
Stop.
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"Bit confused"

Clearly. As are a number of people on here, evidently. Indeed, it's really quite telling when any challenge to the patriarchy is met with vehement defensiveness.

"Mad lady is female right? So how is calling her a bitch sexist any more than calling her a stupid woman? Is it now sexist to acknowledge that people have a specific sex?"

What's her sex/gender got to do with anything though? Absolutely nothing. So why call her a mad bitch?

Bigyinn; don't worry, I really can't see any point in continuing as some folk just can't seem to handle having their sensibilities questioned. So I'll leave you here with this:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-evolution-of-the-bitch-905

What's her sex/gender got to do with anything though? Absolutely nothing. So why call her a mad bitch?

It identifies who she is, just like you might say "I was talking to a bloke down the pub". The person's gender is unlikely to be germane to the discussion you had, it is simply a way of saying who you are talking about.

My sensibilities are not challenged - my faith in the good sense of my fellow man (!!!) certainly is.

So I'll leave you here with this:

Have you actually read that article? Some selected quotes:

it's not totally clear what "bitch" really means anymore.
...
The word has been so splintered that it's unclear where "bitch" stands today, and how—if at all—we should use it. Can feminists call themselves bitches? Can men call other women bitches?
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The word "bitch" was like a handful of Silly Putty—you could make it into anything you wanted. To be sure, it was still [b]used to call out mean women[/b]
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These days, "bitch" has been used to death—to the point where all of its meaning has pretty much rubbed off
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Words only make sense in context.

Not exactly conclusive!

Calling out "mean women" seems like the usage and context here. No sexual context at all. No enforced patriarchy or misogyny. Just a mean woman being called "a bitch" in very much the same way you might call a mean man "a bastard" or any number of male gender-specific insults.

Here is another, perhaps more pertinent than those you chose:

"The Genesis: Lady Dogs
Everyone knows that once upon a time, a bitch was simply a lady dog. Trace its lineage in the Oxford English Dictionary, however, and you’ll find that it's been used as a derogatory term for women as early as the 15th century. Back then, it was considered demoralizing mostly because it suggested that the woman in question was promiscuous (an allusion to the fact that female dogs have so many puppies), according to English language historian Geoffrey Hughes. This is, of course, why "son of a bitch" had such a sting: It meant your mother was a whore. That said, “bitch” was far from the most popular insult in Ye Olde English. Dudes like Chaucer preferred the use of words like “whore” or “sluttish."

“Bitch” didn’t really catch on as the universal female insult until the 1920s, when all of a sudden its use ballooned. Between 1915 and 1930, the use of "bitch" in newspapers and literature more than doubled. What happened? Women's suffrage.

That’s right. That Susan B. Anthony bitch got the right to vote, and men were not happy about it. Soon after, "bitch" became an all-purpose insult for annoying women. Ernest Hemingway seemed to fall in love with the word, calling many of his female characters "bitch goddesses" and, after a falling-out with Gertrude Stein, gifting her a signed copy of Death in the Afternoon with the inscription "a bitch is a bitch is a bitch." He had a way with words, that Hemingway."

The use of the word in the context of the video, is for the young man to insult the woman by targeting her gender. There is absolutely no need for him to do that, it's just plain lazy sexism, end of. Misogyny and enforced patriarchy? Yep, all there.

"Just a mean woman being called "a bitch" in very much the same way you might call a mean man "a bastard" or any number of male gender-specific insults."

'Bastard' isn't gender specific, it's just used towards men more than women. So, pretty poor example.

You don't have to agree with me, I'm not forcing you to. You might do yourself a favour by enlightening yourself in regards to gender politics though, as you and several others seem to be a bit ignorant in this regard.

And for those still not thinking there's an issue with male attitudes towards women, here's something else to read:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36468984

Heh. Menopause.

****ing bitch.

This forum gets worse by the day, clodhopper no-one cares give it up you mad bitch.

Well this didn't go as expected. Oh hang on, it's STW so it went exactly as expected.

What's her sex/gender got to do with anything though?

Absolutely nothing apart from the fact that had it been a six foot, bearded man, the video would have been three seconds long and the kids would have scattered.

When I was a scabby student, I had a job with the local council, picking up rubbish (amongst other duties). It was eye opening and I lost my rag badly with people sometimes.

Yes, it's my job to pick it up, no it's not my job to stand by and listen to you telling your kid that it's my job whilst you chuck your Maccy D wrappers on the ground, you oaf.

Got sacked.

here's something else to read:

Girls are wearing shorts under their school skirts to avoid sexual harassment, MPs have heard.

So the clip was an example of sexual harassment? For someone who was potentially about to be raped she seemed remarkably calm.

You're right - if we go with the 15th Century root definition then it was a sexually based insult like slut.

Guess what - meanings evolve, as the very article you linked to goes to great lengths to explain.

'Bastard' isn't gender specific, it's just used towards men more than women. So, pretty poor example.

Since you like historic roots, "bastard" is likely from the French "fils de bast" or "packsaddle [b]son[/b]". The reference was to a loose-living mule driver who used a packsaddle for a pillow and the next morning was off to the next town.

[url= http://www.chambers.co.uk/search.php?query=bastard&title=21st ]Chambers[/url] defines it as [i]"coarse slang a a term of abuse or sympathy for a [b]man[/b] • What a rotten bastard! • poor bastard!; b [b]a man generally[/b]; a chap • lucky bastard."[/i]

Plus you are conveniently ignoring the pretty massive list of other male-specific insults which I'm pretty sure wouldn't get your panties in such a bunch.

I'd agree with clodhopper that there's a massive amount of sexism (along with other discrimination) in society today.

But calling her a ****ing bitch is merely choosing an insult that is gender specific. That doesn't make it sexist. I would hazard a guess that some insult would have been thrown had a man taken the same action.

Can we just focus on the fact that she's clearly mental and if she wanted to do something about the rubbish (which, yes, is always an issue around playgrounds etc, but isn't caused by ALL users) she could've just picked some up as me and my daughter did last time we were at the park (sorry if using the term daughter is enforcing the patriarchy btw)

So the clip was an example of sexual harassment? For someone who was potentially about to be raped she seemed remarkably calm.

But she was wearing an extra pair of shorts. Do keep up.

I'd agree with clodhopper that there's a massive amount of sexism (along with other discrimination) in society today.

There is, so it's quite an achievement to pick up on something that isn't actually an example of sexism.

DrJ - Member
I'd agree with clodhopper that there's a massive amount of sexism (along with other discrimination) in society today.
There is, so it's quite an achievement to pick up on something that isn't actually an example of sexism.

WTactualF does the fact that she's a woman have to do with this?

Someone's finally lost their rag due to the mess of their environment. I don't blame her. This isn't about gender, it's about a massive lack of respect (and a wee bit of nimbyism).

"But calling her a **** bitch is merely choosing an insult that is gender specific. That doesn't make it sexist."

It does, as it's meant in a derogatory sense, using her gender as a target for abuse. That is actually sexist. As defined in law.

At the end of the day, it's a throwaway comment by a young lad who is a bit (possibly rightly) pissed off. I don't think it's the massive deal that some people probably think I think it is. But the mere mention of it has got some people to really get their knickers in a twist, it seems. Which is quite telling and indicative of the level of ignorance and denial around phobic behaviour in our society. It's got nothing to do with 'PC gone mad' or whatever other Daily- Mail-esque bullshit some may think, it's all about chipping away at all forms of phobic behaviour, until they are hopefully no longer part of our society. I must go on to say that young people today seem to be far less homophobic and racist than people were when I was young, and that's a massive positive step.. And big strides have been made forward in terms of gender equality, but we're still a long way off.

As for the rubbish; well, I imagine (I don't know), that the woman was pissed off over litter being dumped elsewhere, possibly by those using the skate park, and decided to make a point. We don't know the full story, so to suggest she's 'mental' (shall we start on discrimination against sufferers of mental illness? 😉 ), is a bit short sighted to say the least.

Happy to say that the people who use our local skatepark do make a good effort to keep the area tidy and litter free, and are respected for that.

Everyone is equal in the eyes of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.

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Coffee - meet keyboard

Someone's finally lost their rag due to the mess of their environment. I don't blame her. This isn't about gender, it's about a massive lack of respect (and a wee bit of nimbyism).

I'm afraid I do blame her. While she has every right to get pissed off, she's not going to make the situation better by emptying bins on a ramp. In a different part of the country I could imagine her stringing a line across a cheeky trail.

There are means and ways. This isn't one.

I'd agree with clodhopper that there's a massive amount of sexism (along with other discrimination) in society today.

There is, so it's quite an achievement to pick up on something that isn't actually an example of sexism.

WTactualF does the fact that she's a woman have to do with this?

We're assuming she is a woman. We don't know how she self-identifies or what her preferred gender-pronoun is.

I blame clodhopper for bringing her gender into this 😀

For what it is worth clodhopper, I have two young daughters and I am fully aware of gender politics and serious gender issues like mass-media misogyny and the increase in sexual harassment in schools that you (tangentially) linked to.

I'm also aware of the massive disservice you do to these very serious issues by diluting them with over-sensitive hand-wringing nonsense like this.

It does, as it's meant in a derogatory sense, using her gender as a target for abuse. That is actually sexist. As defined in law.

So I cant call a guy a d**k?

I can't believe the comments excusing/defending her. Her actions are antisocial and criminal. She is a foul-mouthed mess of a human being, saying she wants to get "dog shit" on the skate park where children play.

Are her actions mad or bad? Both.

If she thinks that an appropriate response to some grievance she has, then she is the one with the problem.

I'm also aware of the massive disservice you do to these very serious issues by diluting them with over-sensitive hand-wringing nonsense like this.

Yup

I'm afraid I do blame her. While she has every right to get pissed off, she's not going to make the situation better by emptying bins on a ramp. In a different part of the country I could imagine her stringing a line across a cheeky trail.

There are means and ways. This isn't one.

"I don't like litter so I'm throwing litter everywhere." is a logically unsound phrase.

"I'm also aware of the massive disservice you do to these very serious issues by diluting them with over-sensitive hand-wringing nonsense like this."

I think you're actually being over-sensitive to my perceived over-sensitivity. 😉

" am fully aware of gender politics"

Oh really? Care to cite your relevant qualifications in this field?

"So I cant call a guy a d**k?"

No. Unless you're one yourself. 😀

So I cant call a guy a d**k?

Only at the risk of appearing to be prejudiced against non-cis-gender males.

Or something.

okay, back to the real issue here. Woman drops litter including bags of dog poo (and gloats about the litter containing dog poo) all over a childrens skate park and threatens to spread dog poo all over said skate park.

I hate litter. But I wouldnt do that with litter, let along dog poo that probably has nothing to do with the kids dropping their drink bottles and crisp packets.

What I love most about the internet is that someone can make a massive idiot of themselves whilst sat alone at the keyboard and not only feel no sense of embarrassment, but continue to argue the point that made them look stupid in the first place.
Long live the Internet.

Wow, I'm usually on the hand wringy side of debates about sexism (anybody remember the Maxxis calendar thread?), but I still think clodhopper is breaking Wheaton's Law (is making that suggestion allowed?) What's more, be seeing sexism where there is none, he actually does a dis-service to gender equality by crying wolf.

Anyway, to pick up on another point he made, what possible "full story" could there be to justify her actions? I hope she's been reported to the police/council (whoever enforces littering laws).

"be seeing sexism where there is none"

Just because you can't see it yourself, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means you're incapable of seeing it.

DezB; you seem to have been doing just that on here for 8 years! 😆

"what possible "full story" could there be to justify her actions?"

I don't know; why not have a go at imagining something? It's what everyone else seems to be doing.

There are means and ways. This isn't one.

When all the available options are used up, when you've fruitlessly petitioned the council, perhaps you've tried soft conversation with the perpetrators at the park, then go radge. Just unload on the wee blighters.

Obviously not the best course of action but I genuinely feel her frustration.