[Closed] Windows 10 - Day 0 installation.

I think that Apple really only has a presence of real significance in the tablet and smartphone markets (and it is only recently that Apple market share has been equivalent to Android - and that's only in UK, not globally). Apple lags behind Windows heavily in the desktop/laptop markets so I don't think jumping fully on board the Apple bandwagon would be serving schoolkids terribly well for what they're likely to encounter in the real world.

[quote=makecoldplayhistory ]Aracer - if you're supporting stuff from the last century, surelynat some point the support will fade out? Machines break or software becomes obsolete.

Well it's clearly not become obsolete yet, and despite the best efforts of the government, most of the stuff the kids get taught is still the same as it was 15 years ago, and will still be the same in 15 years time - I suppose at some point the SW will look extremely dated, but it's nowhere near there yet. As for machines breaking, well we're currently using 6+ year old hardware (that's what we've just installed!) and given our system will work with any current hardware that's unlikely to be a problem for a while. At some point I'll check compatibility with W10, but I'd be surprised if there was a problem, though given the upgrade we've just rolled out was from XP to W7, we're not rushing into that!

Are the teachers supplied with computers? Windows or Macs? If windows, Surely at the next major computer purchase, with all the iOS devices beingn used in schools, it would make sense to get Macs.

Windows laptops. I can't see how having iPads makes any difference at all to what computers the teachers are using - and given the kids aren't going to be using iOS (we're not going to be asking kids to supply their own, and we don't even have the budget to provide the number of seats at Windows machines we have if doing things the conventional way) then adding another system to support would just make life harder. We now have 1 (I think - maybe 2?) MBP which was used to set up the iPads, so I get to learn something new, though that's not going to need to have any of the normal teaching stuff installed as it nominally belongs to the head.

Anyway, back to W10 (which I will be trying out on the school system when I get our "new" W7 install to the point it doesn't need regular support) - I asked earlier, when I download an iso should I get English or International English?

Hi Chris, I upgraded by ISO and just did English (not international English).

I like! Laptop and desktop done today. Amazed an old Q9550 quad core works so well. I think it likes the SD HD recently installed. Everything seems a little faster, it's a lot like owning a new bike syndrome.

I managed to get a cheap but really rather fast mSata SSD into my old and slow Vaio P series. It's pretty much the smallest laptop ever made. Just to give you an idea of how slow I looked up the cpu benchmarks vs the £100 W10 Linx tablet you can get in Sainsbury's. That's just about the cheapest thing you can get and it scored about 2,500 on the benchmark I found; my Atom Z520 got 700.

Anyway I got W10 going on it with W7 drivers in compatibility mode since the GMA500 graphics card has no official W10 drivers and it's surprisingly usable. The thing was never quick but this is better than W7. The biggest chore with the old setup was the complexity of modern websites like FB - the new browser seem to help with that. Can jut about watch Amazon Prime videos on it full screen if you're not fussy, although for some reason Netflix gives an error message in the new browser. Anyone else seen that?

Also - no Netflix app..? Early days?

more errors with win10 and more crashes in a couple of weeks on my pro 3 than i ever had with win 10 on all the machines i had running it

not sold on w10 yet

I found a Netflix app in the Windows store, odd...

I found unofficial ones.. I am sceptical of unofficialnes...

more errors with win10 and more crashes in a couple of weeks on my pro 3 than i ever had with win 10 on all the machines i had running it

Memtest+, sir?

Now attempting to build Intel EMGD drivers...

Memtest+, sir?

Anyone else had tearing in Edge when scrolling through webpages?

There's a fix for that [url= https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en-GB ]here[/url].

Doesn't do it with the EGMD driver, happily.

Upgraded 3 of the family machines so far this weekend...it been a nice free way to rid all of them from the junk they came installed with. All of them are running much better than delivered from new (although I swapped the HDD for SSD's on two of the machines).

Looks like Microsoft have taken on board that the preinstalled software has pretty much trashed the average consumer experience for Windows and appear to be proving a nice work around with the new activation system.

So far pretty impressed with Win10, can't say I've been impressed with Bing, but easy enough to avoid it. Other than that, all seems good. Appears to work really nicely for driving a big TV for internet and Spotify...much better than Win 8 in this respect.

Just upgraded an Asus laptop over 8.1. Needed a new touchpad driver, but that was all (and a mouse because the touchpad wouldn't work initially)

I've got the pointer stick driver installed on my Vaio now but whilst everything appears fine with it, the middle button won't work for scrolling. Arse.

Also made the start menu a lot snappier by removing all the live tiles I don't want. You can also convert them to icons instead of actual live tiles by right clicking and turning off live tile.

Any word on when Win10 is coming to the phones? After the early death of my Xperia I've been using a budget WinPhone, and (ignoring it's a bit slow) I'm quite liking it...

Any word on when Win10 is coming to the phones? After the early death of my Xperia I've been using a budget WinPhone, and (ignoring it's a bit slow) I'm quite liking it...

Think they're talking about late Oct/early Nov. I know a few people who swear by Windows phones; they're meant to run well on fairly modest hardware. Thing that puts me off is the lack of app availability, which is a chicken vs. egg thing.

[quote=lodious ]Upgraded 3 of the family machines so far this weekend...it been a nice free way to rid all of them from the junk they came installed with. All of them are running much better than delivered from new (although I swapped the HDD for SSD's on two of the machines).
Looks like Microsoft have taken on board that the preinstalled software has pretty much trashed the average consumer experience for Windows and appear to be proving a nice work around with the new activation system.

You can always just re-install a clean version of the original OS if you want to get rid of the junk, which is likely to result in at least as much improvement in performance and likely less trouble in terms of driver support. Not that I'd want to stop you using W10, but there is another way. Windows 8.1 installer is available direct from MS, W7 http://www.pcsteps.com/45-download-windows-7-iso-legally-free/ (I've downloaded torrents using the links there and they're legit according to the checksums).

What do you mean by the new activation system providing a work around?

Thing that puts me off is the lack of app availability, which is a chicken vs. egg thing.

That and that the apps it does have aren't updated as fast as they are on iOS/Android. And they're not always quite as good - the Twitter and Facebook clients, for example, are OK, but the Android versions are slightly better. But the OS is quite nice to use, and I'm hoping Win10 will mean the platform will suddenly become a lot more interesting for developers.

I'm hoping Win10 will mean the platform will suddenly become a lot more interesting for developers.

Yes, and Microsoft have produced tools to make posting apps easier, too.

Things that would annoy me are lack of Costa, bank and Google apps.

That and that the apps it does have aren't updated as fast as they are on iOS/Android

Really? I get half a dozen updates some weeks and I don't have that many apps. I find that most big apps are there, I have Barclays and Halifax ones for banking; it's mostly the specialist ones that are missing. Remote control and sharing apps for Olympus cameras, foe instance, or the OS mapping app.

There are many many third party apps though to mimic the official ones. Strava and Starbucks are good examples where the unofficial replacements are pretty good. However some unofficial ones are crap as you'd expect.

The cross platform thing will be interesting as there are I think MORE apps for WP than for W10. There's a Netflix one for phone for starters. Then again, sometimes there isn't much point. The facebook app is the same as the phone one, which means that although quicker than the website it doesn't show comments on posts until you click on them, which is something designed for small mobile screens. Then again, it means you can shrink the app down to a small size and it still works nicely. I suspect this is something developers will take some time to get the best out of.

I get half a dozen updates some weeks and I don't have that many apps.

They do update, but from what I've seen the iOS and Android versions update earlier.

The new 950/950XL look very nice if the leaks are correct.

Loving W10 so far, but just found out that my printer isn't supported - good excuse to buy a new one!

Well so far I like Win 10, however I am having a lot of heat generated by my surface and the fan runs a lot more now, which is reducing battery life. Anyone else having this? Any idea if it can be fixed?

Loving W10 so far, but just found out that my printer isn't supported - good excuse to buy a new one!

Same here - and the printer's over 7 years old and was starting to play up. But I still think it's a bit irritating you can't even use it as a "Generic Printer", which would have been handy for emergencies.

Not supported? You tried using Vista drivers?

Aye, it's an old Canon MP220 so has no support. To be fair, it's not economical or that great, so replacing it with something a bit better.

the fan runs a lot more now

Just making a guess at this: check your power saving settings. If it's already correct, maybe as a temporary measure try selecting a lower performance option while you find the real reason for the problem.

Apologies if this has been covered, but I have'nt got time to go through this whole thread now.
Since upgrading to W10 on a HP Pavilion, when I send it to sleep, on re opening the laptop it shuts down and I have to restart it, it also takes a while to restart then.
Any ideas?

Ta.

SOunds a bit like this:

cat69uk - Member
Installed on launch onto Dell desktop from 7, all good, apart from when I switch on it stalls on boot up. Hold power button to switch it off, and then power on, it is always fine on 2nd go? Any ideas?

stevehine - Member
@cat69uk - that sounds like it could be caused by fast boot (which is actually hibernate in disguise) - If you can do a restart without problems; but a shutdown / power on fails then I'd give this a try:

[url= http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html ]how to turn off fast boot[/url]

Aye, it's an old Canon MP220 so has no support.

Canon MP160 here. With probably the same drivers!

I've an MP970 which plays quite happily with OSX via Bonjour, but doesn't seem to be quite so keen on Windows 10. Need to have a bit more of a play, I think.

Any consensus on in-place upgrade vs clean install?

There's not a lot of software or stuff on my big laptop, plus it has a second HD with all the data/photos etc on it, so would be relatively easy to do a clean install, but not as easy as an over-the-top.

in place has worked ok on all three devices I've done it on (old W7 PC, new W8.1 PC and 8.1 tablet) but the PCs both required some manual work to get them right - drivers for graphics card, network adapters, etc. Also, possibly down to the router (token assigned to old OS maybe?) but both failed to connect through ethernet for a couple of days after the install. The tablet was problem free.

Hm.. wondering if you'd end up with a qucker/smaller system if you did a clean install..

Couldn't say but what actually drives the slowdown on OSs - it's usually updates isn't it along with unnecessary software. The former wouldn't be an issue on an upgrade presumably and the latter you can manually manage if necessary.

well the upgrade is a series of huge updates...

I did an upgrade and it seems considerably quicker than the Win8 it replaced (Samsung i5 netbook thingy .. t&00? it's not here to check). SSD disk, not convinced a clean install would make a significant difference (but there wasn't much cruft on it beyond manufacturer apps).

Took 3 attempts to do it though, it would hang on the hardware detection.. for some reason 3rd time lucky - I'd just kicked it off again whilst I looked into the error code!

Hm. Well this W7 is relatively recent and it was done clean. Might be worth it.. IIRC getting all the drivers for the special buttons and crap was a bit of a ballache.

FWIW molgrips - I just updated the office machines - 9 various machines from new i7 power thing for the architect to old Pentium clockwork thing. All of them have just worked, two did a qiuck 'ooh, I need this. Found it. Downloading'. All running fine.

Any one else having blurry font issues on programs that ran happily on W7?

Just fonts or graphics generally - that's what my newer PC looked like when I needed a new driver for the graphics card.