[Closed] Will they ever give up???

I though you meant the cheap kitchen people.

It's just political posturing to keep the Argentinian proles voting for her. Standard sabre-rattling type stuff. I suppose they may also argue that if they shipped in a few thousand Argentinians then the self-determination argument would swing in their favour. Much like the British did when the Flaklands were last colonised. Not sure if there were any natives originally...

When luck and voodoo economics run out, you are left clutching at anniversary straws, perhaps?

It's a point of principal on both sides.

Oh, and the fishing rights and the the abundance of oil and gas reserves to be found in the territorial waters.

But mainly principal.

Is she also petitioning the Spanish to give back the vast swathes of South America "stolen" by the Conquistadors? 😉

Nope. Thought not.

I always thought it a bit rich that a colonial country is whingeing about colonialism.

The Argentines on the Islands were expelled by the Royal Navy and the United Kingdom subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule

such as errrrrrrrrr argentina ?

handing over sovereignty in the falklands isn't about ending colonialism, it's about transfering colonial ownership.

You have to love the irony.
Her claim on the islands is based on them being inherited from Spain....another famous colonial power, so it's ok for Spain to claim these islands and then end up giving them to Argentina but not for the UK to have any kind of colonial claim on them?
She may also want to look in a mirror, she doesn't look south American to me....not like an indigenous south American anyway....I'd wager her ancestry is via Spain too.
Tricky business this preaching about colonial era nonsense....her country is founded on Spanish colonialism and now she wants to exercise Argentine colonialism over disputed islands.

Is she also petitioning the Spanish to give back the vast swathes of South America "stolen" by the Conquistadors?

This

The only thing it's about is oil and gas.

I like the part where she claims the islands were inherited from Spain, then mentions the islands proximity to Argentina. Using this rationale, surely the islands should not have been Spain's to give.

Been done a million times but if they were attacked again could we hold them?
Ps this is just a cue for the people who know about these things to talk about rockets and planes.

Can we start a fund to club together and place some rebuttal ads in the Argentine papers? That might shut her up..

Been done a million times but if they were attacked again could we hold them?

I believe that the UK was accused by Argentina of warmongering after replacing the Tornadoes stationed down there with Eurofighters, and sending a T45 down there on a 'routine' exercise / patrol.

Despite all that warmongering, no war happened.

Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles . Trying to keep them British has been a massive waste of taxpayers money over the years . Had Argentina used diplomacy rather than military force in 1982 Britain was prepared to hand them over .The comment from somebody in government at the time that " seduction was encouraged but rape was unacceptable " sums up the position of the British Government at the time .

Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles

Interesting logic. Flawed, but interesting, nonetheless.

Two words.

Self determination.

But yes would we/they be so bothered if it wasnt for the prospect of the oil, gas & fishing?

Im not so sure...

Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles .

Does that mean I own my neighbour's holiday home?

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Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles .
Does that mean I own my neighbour's holiday home?

Yes unless they are Spanish or had been on holiday there 500 years ago.

It should certainly mean I own the house I'm renting - I definitely live nearer to it (i.e. in it), wrt our landlady.

Interesting logic. Flawed, but interesting, nonetheless.

Because all the other logic on here is perfect I suppose .

Have you seen what she is doing to Argentina? Shes royally ****ing the country right up. She has NO interest in liberating the Falklands- its like using 'terrorists live next door to you' as used by US/UK governments to scare populace from their governments **** ups..

What was the last line she used? Financial colonialism to justify her latest move on the markets at home....

Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles

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See what it says at the bottom?

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Because all the other logic on here is perfect I suppose .

I refer you to a fundamental human right:

Self determination.

Not sure what difference it makes to anyone who doesn't live there.
It's not like they'll be coming for the Isle of Wight next.

Meanwhile, in a damp, musty garret room in Edinburgh.....

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Not sure what difference it makes to anyone who doesn't live there.

Eeeeegggzzzakkkkllyyy!!!

Meanwhile, in a damp, musty garret room in Edinburgh.....

The impotent rage of the chagossians?

I miss TJ on these threads, still ernie will be along soon to tell us about how popular she is and that the UK parties can only dream of that kind of approval.....

still ernie will be along soon to tell us about how popular she is and that the UK parties can only dream of that kind of approval

Shortly followed by him saying you're putting words in his mouth, no doubt

Wow, even when he can't be here to defend himself, people still want to have a go.

Presumably she's still trying to distract from this sentiment:

http://news.sky.com/story/1009144/argentina-protests-over-cristina-fernandez

Thing that got me was that I heard England was on the tip
of giving the Falklands back but then Argentina invaded.

Also no doubt the Politicians use the agenda to get voted in power
and thats why its raised its ugly head again

Remembering the 80s conflict- it rescued to unpopular despots from ignomy ,both Thatcher and Galtieri were low in the opoinion polls , cue flag waving , cheesy patriotic gestures and an expensive war that we are still paying for .As in so many areas of life we seem to be repeating the eighties

its just pointless political posturing

and really doesnt deserve the coverage it gets

still im sure it rattles plenty of blazer wearing codgers enough that they have to rant about it to their long suffering wife from behind their copy of the telegraph over poached eggs and smoked salmon of a morning

(ive actually seen this happen except it was a H&S gone mad rant)

still im sure it rattles plenty of blazer wearing codgers enough that they have to rant about it to their long suffering wife from behind their copy of the telegraph over poached eggs and smoked salmon of a morning

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Been done a million times but if they were attacked again could we hold them?
Ps this is just a cue for the people who know about these things to talk about rockets and planes

I was thinking about this. If we had the political will to sink a dozen Belgrano's I think yes we could.
There are enough British troops there to hold off any sort of airbourne invasion, so Argentina parachuting a force in wouldn't work.
We have enough submarines that we could stop any ships reaching the islands, if we had the will to sink them all. A seabourne invasion is out. I think yes, we could hold them.
If the worst happened could we retake them again? I doubt it, not without borrowing a carrier or two from somewhere (it's all very well the government saying we could share the French ones but would they send one down to the south Atlantic at the first sign of trouble? I doubt it)
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If I were Argentinian how would I go about invading? I think the best plan would be a massive sea-bourne invasion, but not with boats or ships, I'm thinking of 'Caspian sea-monster-stlye' echranoplans, they would be ideal for something like this. Very difficult for our submarines to attack and without a carrier there very hard for us to attack at all. They could bring in large number of men very quickly, en mass, and the advantage of them over an invasion by paratroops is the quantity of armour and artillery they could carry too. If Argentina is secretly building a couple of dozen of those we would be in trouble.
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Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles

I believe Spain say the same about Gibralter. But oddly enough, not about those islands they have off the coast of Morrocco and who's name I can't remember.
Also, if you follow this logic would you propose giving the channel islands to France or invading Ireland?

I still don't understand what she wants to negotiate about. The islanders consider themselves British, the UK government considers the islands to be British, the Argentinians consider them to be Argentinian.

Not a huge amount of middle ground for negotiating there.

I still don't understand what she wants to negotiate about

Enough Oil to get them out of economic sh**e really. It's quite simple really. It has nothing to do with what they say.

I really DGAS about the Islands but have to say we're about to get back from Afganistan and Iraq thousands of troops with now't to do (and we won't use them to fix UK roads or infrastructure) so why not shuv'em down there?

Think it's all a waste of money, not like we'll ever utilise the Oil/Gas reserves or fishing come to that. And who are we actually protecting here, Penguins and a couple of hundred folks planted on the Islands to make them look "populated"

I'll give £5.00 for them.. that'll solve the posturing.

Enough Oil to get them out of economic sh**e really. It's quite simple really. It has nothing to do with what they say.

I know that's what it's really about. But that aside, there's not a huge amount of room to share sovereignty.

Anyone else reckon that she's just seen some figures for the Argentine economy that would make George Osbourne look competent?

"Quick! We need a distraction! I know! We've not gobbed off about las Malvinas for a few months. Organise me a press conference, will you?"

Just a look at the map will tell you who has more rights to the Falkland Isles

I believe Spain say the same about Gibralter. But oddly enough, not about those islands they have off the coast of Morrocco and who's name I can't remember.
Also, if you follow this logic would you propose giving the channel islands to France or invading Ireland

The Channel Islands are nearer to France but they sit between France and England which is different to them being on the other side of the world .

If you follow your logic why did Britain let China take over the running of Hong Kong , perhaps you think we should have sent a task force round there to teach them a lesson .

Face it, the islanders see themselves as British. There endeth the argument until they see themselves as Argentinian. What is that woman's problem with comprehending this?

could you remind me exactly when the UK gave them self determination and what the UN considers the Falklands to be and the rules of self determination for settled colonies [ you wont like it though]

PS they only because UK citizens in 1983 and we also listed them as a non self governing territory till roughly the same time as well - god we loved our people there didnt we and oh how we gave them self determination for we respect human rights- bit like we respected the self determination of the all Ireland vote we promised after WW1 - oh hold on those bastards voted against us so we best partition the country and claim the self determination of the Ulster plantation folk we put there to be loyal to us- lets get all jingoistic now folks and rattle those sabres about noble princiles we are upholding 😕

Like many places where we [and others] have taken territories we wont give them back [ whether we have a legitimate claim or not] and we will use all sorts of "noble" reasons to explain why a lump of rock on the other side of the world is ours.

Of course they want to remain British [ despite only recently being granted this right by us] as why settle a place if you dont put loyal subjects there ??- its their job to do this and the Loyalist in Ulster are still doing it some 400 years on GAWD bless em. Its not a good principle to use here as the Cornwall example will show.

Throw in some jingoism, attack those who disagree BOOOM we have a STW thread - you goaders sure miss them so much so that months on you are still mocking- its tragic.

re self determination - if a foreign force invaded Cornwall plonked a million folk there how much weight would you give to self determination of this population Zokes? What does the UN say

Enjoy your patriotism and defence for colonialist expansionist using noble terms that had no bearing on why it became "ours" and why we kept it.