Pagoeta, Edukator? I'll keep my eyes open for it next time. I ride over Igeldo twice a day on the commute and clear days are few and far between, unless it's very cold.
We're just used to the polluted haze here.
Most haze is humidity and dust, both natural phenomena. Of course out in the desert the humidity is far lower.
Yes, Pagoeta. 30 of us will be riding a mix of the GR 121 and Compostelle route to Deba on the 16th. The not too tired wil head up Pagoeta on the Sunday if it's not too wet.
OP here. I wasn't for one second disputing the fact that you can take beautiful landscape photos in the UK, or that you don't get magical golden autumn days or crystal clear winter ones here - I've seen plenty myself. But I've visited places abroad where, much more consistently, you feel a bit like you're walking around in an amazingly lit film set - the Med, LA, etc. The light *is* different there.
finbar - Member
But I've visited places abroad where, much more consistently, you feel a bit like you're walking around in an amazingly lit film set - the Med, LA, etc. The light *is* different there.
The light is different there but you also have to separate your novelty response to new surroundings from the actual composition. Delhi, Beijing or New York probably won't have great air quality and may not have uniquely special light but the scenes will invoke a response based on all the media you've consumed.
If you walk around New York or Beijing you'll get lots of great holiday snapshots because they resonate with films we've seen and they're exotic. That's not the same as a perfectly exposed image with brilliant composition.
Completely agree jimjam, I did mention that in my first post too. I have to remind myself to appreciate how beautiful the Peak District is when I'm riding through it. The evening light on this climb out of Hathersage is often outstanding:
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Ironically I'm really not one for taking photos!
It's awful - Scotland 2nd January...
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Yes, Pagoeta. 30 of us will be riding a mix of the GR 121 and Compostelle route to Deba on the 16th. The not too tired wil head up Pagoeta on the Sunday if it's not too wet.
I'll keep an eye out then, I'm usually on or around the coast on weekend. 30 French mountainbikers shouldn't be hard to spot 😉
Nobeerinthefridge - MemberIt's awful - Scotland 2nd January...
Whatever point you're trying to make, I don't think your image makes it.
Whatever point you're trying to make, I don't think your image makes it.
Aye, says more about my poor camera (phone) skills than how good the light was on that winters day....
Visual acuity is drawn towards contrast, and thus we perceive contrasty images as strong, punchy and visually pleasing.
Televisions in Currys are set up at their worst but ironically appeal to the average person. Inaccurate colours and poorly tracked grey scale is the order of the day.
You have to learn sometimes what makes a pleasing image or an accurate image.
For instance how many set up their TV/monitors/laptops at home?
These days I prefer a subtle flat image to punchy - all my cameras tend to be set flat or raw or log etc. Yet many would say it looked dull.
Objectivity meets subjectivity.
The prevailing winds and pollution levels probably have a lot to do with it too. All those NOx gases and particulates absorbing and reflecting different wavelengths of light and the clouds but they're less sinister I suppose.
Looking up Loch Broom from the shore at Ullapool always seems to have it's own special light quality. I've never managed to capture it in a photo.
'Plomb Du Cantal...'
Just been mulling over where I'd heard that before. I think it's where the main character Grenouille holes up-in the novel 'Perfume'.
As you were!
and also a passing comment from someone at work just now who's recently been to Croatia and said the light there was amazing.
Holidayed near Dubrovnik this summer. The light didn't especially stand out, even though we had the benefit of some beautiful sunsets.
Or perhaps that's because I live in west Lancashire, which is very flat and enjoys the steady flow of the prevailing wind. We get loads of super sunsets too.
scotroutes - Member
Looking up Loch Broom from the shore at Ullapool always seems to have it's own special light quality.
I've noticed that but never quite got it right.
From Inverlael towards Ullapool.
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I think it's more the contrast aspect of it. Our eyes can discern a wider range of brightness than a single shot from a camera can capture and so where you have a bright clear source of light such the med, you get larger difference between bright and dark areas of what your are looking at and your eyes can discern that overall range.
Compare that to an overcast UK day and the range between the brightest and darkest is reduced so the picture your eyes see looks flat.
Our eyes and bodies adjust to the normal averages of what's around so if you're are used to UK flat, then jumping off the plan and seeing wide range Mediterranean, then that would come as a surprise.
As said above, it's why when some photos have their contrasts boosted they are more visually appealing (also the TV in stores etc)
Interesting topic.
Slight diversion, but there have been many occasions where landscape photos, however boosted and adjusted have failed to capture and convey the subject to the same extent as seeing it at the time. I think a large part of that is the physical size of what you're seeing versus a much smaller copy print... It just doesn't convey the same to the viewer.
This one is a bit better from Inverlael
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What constitutes 'good' light OP?
Is it ok to be soft and grey?
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Does it have to be showy?
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Or pastels?
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I put all these in the category fishy describes in his last paragraph BTW, none of these photos can match the experience of being there.
In terms of the quality of light in a photograph, this is easily my favourite image I've taken and it's not even outdoors
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none of these photos can match the experience of being there.
No but then that's not really what photography is about.
kerley - Member
You would need to see the raw image before making that judgement (rather than the processed to death images you have posted)
As someone pointed out, though, the eye sees a greater contrast range than the camera, post processing, and in-camera as well, using filters, are only ways to try to achieve in a photograph what the eye actually sees; to criticise those photos is really missing the point of what they're attempting to show.
Of course, artists have been enjoying the benefits of the variety of British light for a couple of centuries or so, employing their skills at interpreting what they see and putting it onto canvas.
It's possible to argue that by 'interpreting' the light and the landscape, they're doing nothing different to what was done to those landscapes criticised by kerley.
Just look at a painting by John Constable, that's what the light is all about, and it was the light here in the UK that made him famous as an artist.
This country is stunning in its variety, because it has so much packed into a small space, with weather that changes all the time, so the light changes constantly.
You would need to see the raw image before making that judgement (rather than the processed to death images you have posted)
In order to do what though? A RAW file is no more 'accurate' than a JPEG, it just has a lot more data in. Think of it like the camera hedging its bets and capturing a wider latitude of data that you can then use later on. It's still just a photograph.
No but then that's not really what photography is about.
Indeed. But I'm just trying to understand what the OP is getting at with some examples. I don't think the OP is talking about photography specifically.
it's quite simple really - polarised light
this happens due to reflecting off the sea, or low angle of sun at evening/morning
I think the OP is specifically NOT talking about photography as that is art in place of experience.
The light at Skagen I referred to earlier, attracted artists (as voyeurs) because it [i]felt[/i] different.
I think there its mainly the effect of the two seas (North & Baltic) on the colour of the sky that does it, but the light there has always struck me as "teal". And big skies.
Its not something that you capture in a photograph unless you force it or synthesise it. The same applies for paintings.
But it is different light. And you probably notice it because it is novel (as mentioned above) not necessarily because it is "better".
it's quite simple really - polarised lightthis happens due to reflecting off the sea,
go on....
This got me thinking because I work in an art gallery ([url= https://www.forestgallery.com ]West Sussex art gallery[/url]) and we have often talked about schools such as the Newlyn Art School being 'better' because of the light down in Cornwall but haven't really stopped to question why this is. I did a quick search and found this https://www.scarlethotel.co.uk/cornwall-art-and-light/ which talks about an investigation into Cornish light by the BBC’s Coast TV programme which "concluded that the air here is very clean and that the colour ‘temperature’ shifts to the cooler blue (cool) end of the spectrum by reflections from the sea and the sand."
I'm not convinced how scientific this really is as there are plenty of coastal areas in the UK which have relatively clean air so what is so special about Cornwall?
I know what the OP means and I agree, west-facing places always have a special quality of light; Seattle and Vancouver Island, Cape Town, west Wales, Scotland and Ireland and even recently when I was in Barrow on Furness. It's why artists love St Ives. It's to do with the sea being close.