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Given her position and security clearance there was absolutely no reason or excuse for using an unofficial/unauthorised email server. When this point is fully understood then any 'oops it was an oversight' bollox must be ruled out and she is left with no credibility whatsoever.
Given what occurred whilst she was up to no good (US Ambassador etc) and that all the emails have since 'been deleted' she cannot be trusted and still has a lot to answer for both legally and professionally.
And then there's the face that she pulls when she 'speaks the truth' 😡
EDIT: Oh and then there's the slight issue of Putin very probably having a copy of all the 'lost' emails.. what could possibly go wrong.
@oldnpastit Benghazi - others had pulled their diplomats out including us. Hillary wasn't paying attention and didn't take the threats seriously. IMHO her focus was elsewhere.
The more I see of Hilary's campaign the more I think Trump is going to win. Hillary is just too mired in too many scandals. Obama has been a big dissapointment. America wants a change of direction and the voters see Trump as that man.
It's a pity both sides can't lose
Henry Kissinger's words remain true today
Given her position and security clearance there was absolutely no reason or excuse for using an unofficial/unauthorised email server
Oh, there may have been no excuse, but there was certainly a reason - it was to stop anything she wrote being government property and subject to FOI.
Are there any properly sane US politicians?
John Hinckley (the man who shot Reagan) is being released, a Republican was on Radio 4 yesterday, saying it was Bill Clintons doing, as Bill appointed the Judge who has recommended the release.
He was appointed in 1994.
That's pretty good planning by Bill to get that sorted 22 years before it happened.
I just copy & pasted one of many "Clinton crimes lists" available via Google after remembering one I'd seen before. This wasn't the one I'd seen, this list is much shorter.
Jambatrump
Pigface did you watch the coverage of her appearence, I did.
What all of it? another Jamabuntruth
I saw enough to realise a bunch of Republican senators were out for blood and they didn't get it, they eventually started arguing among themselves.
Trolling nonsense that is high praise from you thanks.
You didn't answer a simple question though and your concerted attacks on Clinton indicate which way you would vote.
Don't flatter yourself people don't read all the rubbish you post.
I also suspect she's, well, a woman. You can't trust them, they're hormonal
Are there any properly sane US politicians?
There's a few, but I think they're outnumbered. Jim Webb, Elizabeth Warren...christ, even Mitt Romney was a progressive before he tried to appeal to the rotten core of the tea party.
Oh, there may have been no excuse, but there was certainly a reason - it was to stop anything she wrote being government property and subject to FOI.
This. As one Republican member of the Senate House Committee said, people don't naturally lie so when they are lying repeatedly they are trying to cover something up.
I don't see a way out of this email issue, aside from the lying she's been shown to have conducted classified government business via a private email address. This goes to the heart of her trying to say she's the safe pair of hands vs "willd and unqualified" Donald Trump.
Except it has been put to bed 🙄
Let's see what happens with Trump University
google clinton body count. People around them have a habit of dieing, especially if they are going to attend a hearing.
bongohoohaa - Member
When was the last time you had real trust in a UK party leader (JC excepted)?
John Smith.
She has repeatedly refused to admit murdering Vince Foster despite numerous opportunities to do so. Would you trust someone who won't confess to murder?
She's seen as untrustworthy because she is. I mean, not just a little bit, she's as much a post-truth politician as Trump. The only difference is she's a wee bit more cunning about it- but not much, she still tells lies she knows won't stand up, but more importantly tells lies she just doesn't need to- amateurish stuff sometimes, more like a stw nutter in some ways.
But since neither candidate is remotely trustworthy it shouldn't really matter.
Shes got more baggage than lost and found at Heathrow, but that's only coz she's been in politics for so long and has been a resident of the Whitehouse.
She gets the standard dose of vitrioloc mysoginy that any female in politics will receive (see Thatcher and the left) but with all that added Tea Party madness thrown on top.
She's played the game ruthlessly to get to where she is but spekkies list of out of context quotes, blaming her for her husband mistakes and petty greivences are embarrassingly weak imho (the emails are the only really bad thing)
All of that and she still looks waaaaay note competent than Trump
That said Brexit has shown that listening to experts is trumped by gut feelings so wtf knows what ll happen
Here's that gif from page 1 in context
And here's a much better analysis of the situation
https://theconversation.com/the-science-behind-hillary-clintons-problems-with-trust-63028
I think for her there is a lot of 'murkiness' that surrounds her. Be it the emails, Benghazi and some of the other stuff. She does walk away clean from it all, be it she is clean, or she has a very good team of cleaners who make this stuff disappear. Chance or design?
I love the way any criticism of a women politician gets dismissed by SJWs as misogyny.
bongohoohaa, standard. I'm sure the reason most female voters don't like Trump is due to misandry. 😉
Nothing to do with the fact he's well, just everything that could be wrong with a human!
@kimbers the IMF are not experts. Economics borders on speculation, its not surprising that many qualifications are BA not BSc. IMO what Brexit showed was that people can see a vested interest when it rears its ugly head. Trump does have this aura of not having a vested interest (other than a massive ego) whilst Clinton is the complete opposite.
Obama came in on a wave of hope "yes we can" and leaves after 8 years having achieved little of substance domestically, disasterous foreign policy and race relations in crises. I believe the US wants to try something new and (sadly) thats Trump not Clinton
So the conclusion to all of this is that if you want to elect a leader you have a choice between a low down filthy rat or a or a low down filthier rat.Oh and because it's the greatest democracy in the world you have a choice of two just in case your brain goes into a part that it's never entered before in which case you could become an enemy of the state and decide you may wanna visit the neighbouring country ie the state next door
Obama came in on a wave of hope "yes we can" and leaves after 8 years having achieved little of substance...
Hmm...I wonder why that is?
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bongohoohaa - Member
I love the way any criticism of a women politician gets dismissed by SJWs as misogyny.
Except that I also went onto to comment on genuine criticisms of her as well 🙄
You do the have to be a hardcore feminist out to smash the patriarchy to acknowledge that women are held to different standards than men in politics or the public eye in general
Not going to get into a STW trademarked quote-athon, but did you really comment on genuine criticism? You dismissed Spekkie's list as weak, and only popped the email stuff at the end in parenthesis.
For the email thing, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice also used private email servers. It seems it hasn't been uncommon in the time frame that the technology allowed for it.
Now they were all probably wrong to do so, and the rules/law should be clarified to prevent it from happening in the future, but it has been a cross party practice and using it to bash Hilary is just ridiculous. It is a clear indication of the right wing and its media media friends just repeating clichéd mistruths that stick in the minds of the simple.
Little of substance? 🙄
Why do so many people in the US believe [s]Hillary[/s]Donald is [s]un[/s]trustworthy?
They are used fo seeing him on the Apprentice, as such he has a familiarity and is a straight-talking decsion maker. He is not a politician. As a wealthy businessman they see him as "uncorruptable", he already has the money and thus cannot be bought
People believe what they are fed by those who want to twist things.
There's a huge quantity of guff being posted as fact on here. It does demonstrate the power of communication, miscommunication and downright lies. There's a few posters trying to look smart and they are posting the worst of it.
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Google it up yourself Junky, there is not a snowballs chance I'd take even a second to that for you. You seem to do a lot of posting without actually paying attenton to what's available on the the various news rescources.
Funniest troll - tbh i gave up googling your claims as quicker and easier to just assume their false as they always seem to be and you then do something like this when its pointed out to you as you just dont seem to need facts for your views and occasionally even make the facts up/get them very very wrong- for your view
I did genuinely laugh at that one some of your posts are so funny and ironic.
She has already been castigated by a Senate Committee and the ex head of the FBI
its either true or false shooting someone who asks for proof is an odd response for someone so factually astute and with his hand on the pulse of so much media to prove his point ..you really are childish's sometimes.
As i said i dont know if its true or false and asking for proof is hardly uncalled for in a debate of facts. I know you are not use to it but trust me its a very normal question that honest accurate folk then provide the evidence for their claim and then i go oh thanks I didn't know this thanks
Or we can do this if you prefer..you are the bright one why dont you pick ?
People believe what they are fed by those who want to twist things.There's a huge quantity of guff being posted as fact on here. It does demonstrate the power of communication, miscommunication and downright lies. There's a few posters trying to look smart and they are posting the worst of it.
Why not correct those people with the facts then? Rather than giving some vague rebuttal.
People aren't convinced by facts. As proved repeatedly in the climate change debates. The small subset who may be, are quite capable of finding them by themselves.
Why not correct those people with the facts then?
Because shooting the messenger is always a better more credible option
Why not correct those people with the facts then?
Because a Jambafact is 100% lipsmakin solid gold flat out FACT, it is spoken by the Jambalaya a creature so perfect its FACTS are never wrong even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
People aren't convinced by facts. As proved repeatedly in the climate change debates. The small subset who may be, are quite capable of finding them by themselves.
True dat...
Googled "Clinton body count" woah! Wish I hadnt, its all bolx right? Exaggerated/ made up?
Why not correct those people with the facts then? Rather than giving some vague rebuttal.
This.
1hr flim on Clinton's foundation - admitedly from a very right leaning source. There certainky seems to be a very high correlation between donating to the foundation, winning a contract and hiring Bill to give a speech ($100m speech revenue aparantly at $250k - $750k each)
- admitedly from a very right leaning source.
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So the FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary after they apparently found more emails as part of a separate investigation .
https://www.rt.com/usa/364586-comey-reopens-clinton-investigation/
Yes - and they Director of the FBI is under fire from all sides apart from the loony right for making a public statement on this so close to the election and with so little content.
The clintons have been subject to huge numbers of politically motivated investigations and a cost of millions of dollars with no evidence of any criminality found.
You really think if they had done anything criminal it would not have been found by now?
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucking_stool#Use_in_identifying_witches ]Rumour has it that the Trumpette is calling for the most up to date, modern technologies to identify whether Hillary really is a witch or not.[/url]
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Happy Halloween.
The FBI director will be toast after the election!! Talk about "career limiting" moves!!
It will also be interesting to see what happens to that Julian Assange.