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A mix of a few up there:
NHS backroom staff, hugely busy for months (not as busy as the frontline folks, but still busy!)
Have started running a lot over the winter, biked a lot over the summer. Cautious and keeping away from other people, but frustrated about never being able to get time away from my partner (introvert and, it appears, hugely reliant on getting my own personal space and time to myself). Have 'flexed' the rules once (at Christmas) and felt shit about it; other than that, largely keeping myself to myself. Not a 'denier', but don't follow the news and obsess about it; just trying to quietly get on with my life, not interfere with anyone else, and not go postal.
It’s FAR to big a subject for that… blah blah more bollocks
I knew my post would be too subtle for some
It currently effects every single aspect of life for some people - that's hardly a small subject.
Stereotype? I don't think we've had the shouting at a care home window one yet? Which was most of last year. Also organising a small funeral within regs; then missing grown offspring, lockdown surfing, travel, and our place on the coast probably in that order.
just as scared as the rest of the population
I don't think I've personally felt anything resembling fear, it's just the tedium of doing stuff to avoid passing it on.
We had already started the move pre CoVid, although we completed after lockdown 1 - now on the edge of a woodland with more great trails than we know what to do with rather than town based & we already had the dog, so probably the pioneering stereotype? 🙂
Both work mostly remotely anyway, occasional trips to the office have slowed right down again - probably been too busy but also forced us to take extended lunch breaks to get outside.
I try to avoid the main Covid thread on here, it’s grim reading and frankly I sense a few, maybe a lot of posters are wallowing the misery of it all and some of the ‘accepted facts’ of that thread don’t really seem to exist outside of it. Being really frank, a lot of people seem to want it to go as badly as possible so they’ve got a stick to bash the Tories with.
This. All very 'misery loves company'. The few times i've dipped into it, there is a lot of eye rolling & moving on, so, best to just avoid it.
Not a ‘denier’, but don’t follow the news and obsess about it; just trying to quietly get on with my life, not interfere with anyone else, and not go postal.
Pretty much this too. Would quite like to go to the pub & have a BBQ with friends as it's fairly tedious at the moment.
I don’t think I’ve personally felt anything resembling fear, it’s just the tedium of doing stuff to avoid passing it on.
Also this.
Being really frank, a lot of people seem to want it to go as badly as possible so they’ve got a stick to bash the Tories with.
What a stupid shitty thing to say.
Despite being one of the richest countries in the world we have some of the worst covid figures in the world - the fact that you can manage to shrug your shoulders and get on with it is a privilege many don't have.
I don't bother with the Covid thread either because I don't want to obsess over it but claiming that people want it to go badly is utterly ridiculous.
I’m not going to be a baby about it and cry and moan
Or display any empathy whatsoever, it seems.
I’m type 3.
Not surprised I’m the only one so far given all the queer-bashing that goes on around these parts.
Being really frank, a lot of people seem to want it to go as badly as possible so they’ve got a stick to bash the Tories with.
Pointing out how utterly useless and damaging their response has been so far isn't the same as wishing people die. The Tories own the highest death rate and the largest economic collapse and they need to made to wear it for the rest of their lives. They had all the right advice, could see what was comming (eg Italy) and chose to ignore it all relying on good old British Exceptionism as a strategy for handling a pandemic.
Being really frank, a lot of people seem to want it to go as badly as possible so they’ve got a stick to bash the Tories with.
What a stupid shitty thing to say.
Despite being one of the richest countries in the world we have some of the worst covid figures in the world – the fact that you can manage to shrug your shoulders and get on with it is a privilege many don’t have.
I don’t bother with the Covid thread either because I don’t want to obsess over it but claiming that people want it to go badly is utterly ridiculous.
I’m not going to be a baby about it and cry and moan
Or display any empathy whatsoever, it seems.
So you haven't read the thread, but you disagree with me in principle?
As for your shady, out of context quote, you sly little shit.
Im the just getting on with it stereotype which is probably 8b. I don't find myself particularly impeded by restrictions etc. Thats not to say Im not following the rules, I am, just that Ive adapted to my new way of life and moved on. If it wasn't for the dying, and the impact on my kids education and childhood and young people in general, I would not be that arsed if it stayed this way forever TBH, well, in the not-locked-down version where the economy still functions. Lockdown gets a bit tedious after a while and I don't think the economy would thank me.
I'm type 17a
Sick of those who don't follow the rules.
Sick of those who fly tip in the lane outside my house.
Sick of ****s like Lawrence Fox.
Sick of Tories.
Contemplating buying a couple of radio controlled tanks for me and the boy to play with in the garden.
Type 3.5
I'm one of the 3.5 million excluded freelancers and self-employed who don't actually exist, so apparently don't need any government support
I'm one of the lucky ones. I've been able to make something that was a sideline into my full-time job. Just as well, as my full-time job doesn't actually exist anymore and the government doesn't give a *!
In reality, it's been the busiest and most creative time of my life. Because it has had to be
But I also spend each day thinking 'there but for the grace of God' as I read stories like this and look at my friends who work in the health service and see the enormous strain they're under.
I also want to do unspeakable things to *s like Laurence Fox.
So you haven’t read the thread, but you disagree with me in principle?
I drop in occasionally for a quick look and decide it's not for me. Never seen anything remotely like what you're suggesting though. I think your interpretation says more about you than it does about anyone else, but hey if looking down on other people is helping then go for it I guess.
As for your shady, out of context quote, you sly little shit.
I'm not really sure how it's out of context.
I'm going to claim the same one as Harry the spider there. The tanks is a great idea.
I'm basically missing seeing people but also avoiding others as much as I possibly can, also finding ways to make people keep a distance while outside. Have found a pollution face mask works for running and keeping people clear. Might go for the full tramp effect if I think that would work better.
DualIncomeNoKids, both in secure, if not particularly well paying, jobs.
Trapped in a groundhog day cycle of eat, work, netflix and feeling thouroughly bored of it.
Mood varies between miserable and very miserable.
Pre march, I probably had at least 5 days out of every 7 where I would be doing something for entertainment that is currently shut or illegal.
The novel fun of zoom quizzes, and exploring local riding has long gone.
Only thing that keeps me going is hoarding my money and annual leave in the hope that fun things may be permissible this year to make up for it. If not I may go jump off a tall building, just for the excitement.
Sometimes wish I was a doctor or had a brood of kids to homeschool, just to have something to challenge me.
And then I think that my/our lives are still better than pretty much anyone else's in all of human history, apart from perhaps the baby boomers; and have a bit of a word with myself.
or had a brood of kids to homeschool, just to have something to challenge me.
You really don't!
Really ****ing angry and quite bored.
Pissed off with generally every other stereotype; those that suggest no one should go anywhere, those that deny it, those that think the government are doing no better or worse than any other elected party, those that refuse to wear masks where they should, those that begrudge people from concrete jungles from coming and walking near us in the countryside, those that take it too far, those that regurgitate the shite from the shit newspapers as if it is gospel, the BBC for becoming just another sensationalist tabloid, the lot.
That said, I feel very sympathetic towards those that are anxious/scared/shielding/doing their best/not having the life they should be (16/18 year olds)/will have to pay for it for the rest of their lives.
I'm currently mostly frustrated that people are turning on each other for the current situation, blaming a minority of people not following the rules, rather than the actual cause - our elected shit-for-brains government that doesn't care about people, with policies that don't do enough, and too late, whilst taking the opportunity to channel more money to their friends and donors, and pointing at ordinary people. I despair.
Direct your anger to where it should be going, and remember this when next voting.
Direct your anger to where it should be going, and remember this when next voting.
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I would seam some (a bloody lot) are so blinkered and entrenched in their hate for the conservatives, that they actually feed of it. Like Labour are the saviours of the planet. I have voted every way, over the years. Red, blue, green, yellow are all idiots some more than others. Do you honestly think magic grandpa , or that mad cow Swinton would have done a better job? Bojo has not done the best, but I don't think anybody anywhere has nailed it. Come out of your blinkered echo chamber of red mist and tone it down a bit. FFS
Do you honestly think magic grandpa , or that mad cow Swinton would have done a better job?
Yes. Hell, Theresa May would have done significantly better.
BTW your response is both ageist and sexist, while telling people to tone it down, bravo!
Bojo has not done the best, but I don’t think anybody anywhere has nailed it.
New Zealand? Singapore? Taiwan? We are literally one of the worst countries in the world for Covid figures, by any measure - and we had advance warning, and we are an island. People making excuses for this government is like some weird form of Stockholm syndrome.
Bojo has not done the best
Which leaders of which countries have done worse? Not only has he and his ministers "not done the best", but currently they are doing everything they can to put the blame back on the public... the government acted late at every occasion, and now want to blame us for the effects of that poor decision making by a part time PM... the radio ads for "stick to the rules, or people will die" really grind right now... when we are seeing the worst death rate in the world because of government decisions... and a repeatedly absent leader.
What ever they do, it will be the wrong thing. There is no precedent for what is happening. Especially for the red brigade. And If you believe magic grandpa would have saved the day............................................................................
...............................................................well that says it all!
My list of politicians that would have done a better job would be as long as my arm... and includes many current and past Conservatives. If, for example, Jeremy Hunt had been PM, I have no doubt whatsoever that fewer people would be dead right now, and more of our economy and education open. There is nothing inherent in the UK situation that should mean that we are topping leader boards for suffering the worst effects of this pandemic... it is all down to a PM missing in action at key points when the country needed him most, his inability to get across his brief, and his unwillingness to take actions in a timely manner... and timing really counts with a virus like this... a few weeks late putting measures in place means that they have to stay in place for months longer than they would otherwise. He has made us suffer both the worst health outcomes and the worst economic outcomes of all comparable countries.
Oh and I'm ageist and sexist now. Oh dear
What ever they do, it will be the wrong thing. There is no precedent for what is happening. Especially for the red brigade. And If you believe magic grandpa would have saved the day………………………………………………………………….
………………………………………………………well that says it all!
This
Forgive me for not paying any attention to somebody that can't make a coherent argument that stands up to any scrutiny.
Come out of your blinkered echo chamber of red mist and tone it down a bit
I'll be honest, there's been moments when I can see why it appears like that.
But then someone points out that Australia haven't had a death since September and I think that even allowing for my any-colour-but-blue tinted spectacles, and the geographical and demographic difference between here and there, there's no way that the government that has given us the worst death rate in the world, probably the worst economic damage in the world, and according to the BBC today approaching 100,000 death certificates with Covid listed as a cause should not have their consistent failure to act in the best interests of the country, at the second or third time of asking rammed down their throats.
1 in 1000 people in the UK have died of this pandemic. And it's rising rapidly.
All opposition parties, the press and the public should be holding their feet to the flames for this.
And I'd feel the same way if a Labour government I voted for had made the same catastrophic disaster of it.
If, for example, Jeremy Hunt had been PM, I have no doubt whatsoever that fewer people would be dead right now, and more of our economy and education open
God help me but I feel you are right.
I feel dirty now, and not in a good way.
And I’d feel the same way if a Labour government I voted for had made the same catastrophic disaster of it.
Yup. I don't think 'magic grandad' (hur hur) would have made a particularly great job of it TBH but this government have been literally one of the worst in the entire world, and the fact that some people want to keep making excuses is frankly bizarre.
God help me but I feel you are right.
+1
What ever they do, it will be the wrong thing
Yes, it pretty much has been so far. Vaccine rollout is going okay though although we are more desperate for it because of the mismanagement of the last 11 months.
If a Labour government was in power and doing the same actions I would also say that they had ****ed it up too. The person who is blinkered is you...
God help me but I feel you are right.
I have a long list of Conservative past and present MPs who would have been diligent and active in the interests of business and individuals during this pandemic, even if I disagree with them greatly politically. Someone else has already mentioned May. It's not a Left/Right thing... it is about the double whammy of a leader not up to the job who will only allow sycophants in his cabinet. He wants all the power and decision making for himself, yet also want weeks off at a time from being PM, and has failed time and time again to make decisions in good time. The whole nonsense about having all kids in school buildings for ONE DAY this term is just the most recent example.
So again... the public are not to blame, remember that... Johnson is.
The public who voted for him are.
Those I know that voted for him are all very pissed off with his half present, always late, actions since the election, as regards this pandemic... even if they agree with his approach on other issues.
Don't blame the pubic... they made a whole series of choices on all sorts of matters when they voted... blame the man not doing such a crucial part of this job... he's failing everyone.... including those who voted for him, as well as those of us that did not.
It's been widely known for years that he was a lazy, amoral, lying narcissist who's only concern is self-advancement - no-one can say they weren't aware.
Anyway this is just turning into the same as all the other threads so should probably either get back on topic or be closed, IMO.
Bojo has not done the best, but I don’t think anybody anywhere has nailed it.
to say the Johnson hasn’t done the best is underplaying it massively We’re currently the worst performing (death and damage to economy) nation in the world bar none... literally anyone could’ve done a better job (even Magic Grandpa)
literally anyone could’ve done a better job (even Magic Grandpa)
Much as I think Magic Grandpa is pretty incompetent, he can't possible be as bad as Boris, who just seems to have a natural ability to make the wrong choice at every opportunity......
Tory nightmare... social responsibility, spend spend spend, ERG, nothing left to sell off except the NHS.
Bet rishi is scratching his arse and thinking what the **** do i do now...
What is it about the UK that has resulted in this…?
And that question was asked before today’s record Covid death figures were announced. So what is it about the UK? It’s not about rule breaking, it is about government instructions and support being woefully lacking, and mistimed (late, late, late).
I know horrifying isn't it.
The fact that the situation has made piers Morgan seem like the spokesman of the country.....
He’s a prize –———, but the question is valid, and the lack of an answer telling.
Bojo has not done the best, but I don’t think anybody anywhere has nailed it.
China and South Korea nailed it IMHO, I don't pretend to understand such things in great detail, but they supposedly treated it like SARS, going hard and early and aimed for eradication whilst it was still manageable. Despite it originating in China, they actually lost less lives per capita than New Zealand who are seen are the gold standard in Covid control. Their response seemed over-handed and too restrictive to the West at first, but it's proven to be the lessor evil in the long run.
New Zealand made very few, if any mistakes, but they had an geographical advantage. They held their first mass music event at the weekend. 20k people!
Apparently in the West we treated it like Flu, because that what he had experience of and it bit us in the arse.
Has Boris done the worst job in the world, we have the worst death rate per capita. I don't think HE thinks he has, like all countries apart from perhaps China, he made decisions based on balancing economic concerns with health concerns, I think he gambled on getting the vaccine out before a second wave and lost. The 'English' strain has been described as 'politically convenient' it was first discovered in September, but has been used by Government (in Wales too) as a reason for the huge spike, which seems to have peaked 2 weeks after Xmas, a Xmas in which Boris couldn't bare to bring himself to 'cancel'. He also made the mistake of not coming down hard on people in his circle who broke the Covid rules, which gave some members of the public a self-justifying excuse to break them themselves.
He failures have all come because he seems incapable of accepting inconvenient truths until it's too late.
I think he's hoping his final gamble with Covid will be the one that pays off, and the one that's remembered next election. The UK (with little help from Gov) developed one of the first vaccines for Covid and the most practical to administer and we passed it for use first. If they can continue to roll it out faster and faster (hence the switch to the 12 week wait) then we will be the first western country to get over Covid and this will give us an advantage economically and will save lives on the back-end of the crisis, but if the vaccine becomes obsolete because of mutations or the 12 week wait proves to be worse than a slower 3 week wait then he'll lose again and we'll all pay.
I can't blame him for the actions of some people though, I don't know what it's like in other counties, but the way some people have acted through it is disgusting really.
He’s a prize –———, but the question is valid, and the lack of an answer telling.
Modern politics rules are 'Never apologise, never explain', to which Trump added 'never tell the truth'.
We've lost any attempt at discourse amongst politicians (or certainly the Tories). They know full well how the screwed up but are hoping if they ignore it it will either go away or they'll find some way of blaming it on Labour or the NHS down the line......
Genuinely worries me that the current government have made Jeremy Hunt and Piers Morgan look like beacons of rational leadership 🤦♂️
I agree kelvin, bojo and the current government have done nothing but make this pandemic worse than it needed to be. Either through delay, causing confusion or just plain trying to wish it away.
Bojo has a lot of blood on his hands from this, but I doubt he cares.
has failed time and time again to make decisions in good time. The whole nonsense about having all kids in school buildings for ONE DAY this term is just the most recent example.
So again… the public are not to blame, remember that… Johnson is.
He's not really though, is he? Not him alone.
He was chosen by his party and elected by the public, and he is accountable to his colleagues and to parliament.
Here in Wales we have a Labour government and a very competent LibDem education minister, yet they too were going to open schools right up to the last minute. There's lots of balancing to be done and lots of last-minute decisions do have to be taken.
Lots of reasons other than Boris for a high death rate. A fat, unhealthy, old population for example. A health system run down by Labour as well as Conservative governments. Not being at the arse end of the world. Data collection methods. You name it. Plus the population hasn't really taken responsibility.
I wouldn't say the lad done good, but...