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And I bet they clapped every Thursday as well
Slight aside, but some people are trying to do something at least slightly more tangible than clap:
https://www.nhscoffeeappeal.com/
Nice idea the coffee thing but that’s a very limited list of NHS trusts.
The news yesterday that anti-IL6 antibodies have an effect on mortality in the sickest patients is very welcome
It is. Treatment is getting better and better, isn't it. Now we just need to get transmission down enough so that hospitals aren't overwhelmed and can continue treat everyone using this ever increasing knowledge.
We're getting free tea and coffee. And they've waived parking charges!
@Drac from the website:
If you're in an NHS trust that's not on our list and you'd like to be added (or if you're not in the NHS, but you know of a trust that isn't listed), please tell us. Just send an email to team@nhscoffeeappeal.com, with the name and contact details of someone at the hospital who is willing and able to coordinate receipt of a gift. We'll post the information here quicker than you can say “challenging latte art"
so just find out the details of your local trust, email the coffee organising people, and they'll add it on!! 👍
Now we just need to get transmission down
Or morbidity. Think of the vaccine as prophylaxis against infection with an upside of reduced transmission. I'd be happy if the vaccine turned SARS-CoV2 infections into HCoV-HKU1 or HCoV-OC43 infections to be honest.
Do the mortality reductions of these latest drugs have any age profile to them?
Or morbidity.
Yes, but most of us can help with reducing transmission right now, but we can only watch from the sidelines while a relatively small proportion of the population crack on with delivering and receiving vaccinations. It’s months off for most, and even then takes time to become effective.
Related to that… Moderna is go! Good news for later this year.
have any age profile to them?
Demographics were not dissimilar to the previous ICNARC data - note the elderly do not routinely go into ICU so will not have been treated. Mean age is 61.4. Take off 25 (2xSD) for lower 95% confidence limit giving a lower bound of about 40. Yes that young. Significant imbalance in gender, and a median BMI of 30 (which may also correlate with the gender bias). Note these are critically ill COVID patients, not the mild/moderates most often studied. For comorbidities, 35% had diabetes (see BMI), 24% had respiratory disease, 10% had cardiovascular disease.
Oooh I looked but some how missed that. Cheers Zilog
So no age related differential to outcome, just a statement of the age profile? Would you expect the younger patients to have a better response?
Records broken again today....
1325 deaths and 68K infections.
We need to close those garden centres!
1,325 deaths today. Another 68,000 cases. And at least another three weeks before the tide even starts turning.
1,325 deaths yesterday yet on my single excursions out of the house yesterday and today:
- went to collect a click and collect but didn't even bother going into the shop as the guy at the till and the 3 x customers in the queue weren't wearing masks
- whilst stood on the pavement outside noticed the double decker bus going past. Driver and 2/3 passengers not wearing masks
- big groups of teenagers hanging round last night
- walking the dog this morning was constantly close passed by pairs of runners running side by side - and noticed dirty great pools of spit all over the path in several places.
There's literally no hope for this country - we're surrounded by complete cretins.
3876 admissions to hospital 😳😳😳😳😳
I thought we might get away with 1500 deaths a day being the high point.
now I would be amazed if we don't crack 2000
pools of spit all over the path
You'll just have to lick the bits of pavement without spit on them...
and noticed dirty great pools of spit all over the path in several places.
I saw a £20 on the path yesterday but didn't pick it up because of this!
And my boys primary school keep sending emails home trying to convince parents not to send their kids to school, numbers there are too high. Todays was an appeal direct from Calderdale Council. It said that our numbers in Calderdale had had a 60% increase.
I know heads currently battling to keep kids out of school. The government's new advice is being quoted by parents... one head says that attendance would be over 60% if he allows all kids to attend that the gov now says can attend... it's a mess. The council said they would cut their funding to only cover kids on site if he didn't comply. This is the kind of stuff going on behind the scenes folks. The government is screwing over schools that just want to do what the government has said needs doing to reduce transmission.
President Biden is going for the "first shot as quick as possible" strategy too
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/08/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/#link-MDVY6ZNGGVFPFEOYVMWIKPVQFE
50% of my sons year group in school this week apparently. (Year 5) we have to send him in next week as we both have to teach live lessons to our classes.
Oh my word. Trying to convince my mother it's -1 outside and she needs to dress appropriately as we could be waiting outside till called in for the vaccine is doing my head in. Breath.....
I'm sincerely grateful to be going but I'll be turning up there with a 91 year old dressed for the Caribbean at this rate.
Even the building will be cold as (rightly) all windows and doors well be propped open, as per text message saying dress appropriately.
Can you not tell her you’re going for a walk in the snow while you’re out?
Hospitals are always overwhelmed at this time of the year though.
Not really no.
Hospitals have their busy period in Dec/Jan, there's more than one reason for this, but old people getting sick is the main one.
It's not really a case of 'Hospital A has 500 beds, once they're full, they're overwhelmed'. There's some flex in the system, in terms of who gets a bed, who gets a high dependency bed and who gets an ITU bed. In a normal Winter they will typically get full, or close to full and they manage that by discharging people into the community to be Cared for at home, and even leaving people on trollies in a corridors etc. If that doesn't free enough capacity they start looking at more serious measures like cancelling elective surgeries, cancelling outpatient clinics.
This winter they've done all of that already, in our local hospital you can't even turn up to A&E unannounced, you need to call first and unless you're in danger of dying, you're told to seek help elsewhere. All the flex is gone.
In the summer, our local Hospital (UHW Cardiff) was pretty empty, the first wave had passed and because they'd cancelled electives and clinics they had record numbers of spare beds. It's no longer the case.
I think it was yesterdays Daily Briefing from the CEO of my Wife's trust she was reading to me, at that point there were no ITU beds left in Cardiff, none. There's a handful in another Hospital in the Vale, virtually none in the Valleys.
Ambo crews are changing shifts in the queue outside, and if you call one and it's not life threatening, you could wait 18 hours, 24 hours, maybe longer.
The next few weeks are going to be really hard, the number of deaths is going to keep rising for a while yet and what's worse it's like a fire that feeding itself because as more people get sick, there's less and less beds available to treat them.
Whether it's covid or something else, I really would avoid doing anything that might mean getting sick or injured at the moment.
Deaths right now are from admissions 2/3 odd weeks ago. I shudder to think what it will be like at the end of January. I want to go and hide under a rock for 6 months.
Where do you live @cheddarchallenged other than some kids ignoring the rules, well their parents allowing it, can’t say I’ve seen any issues much more than that. Oh except for camper vans still seems to be on the move.
Plenty of my teaching friends are saying they had way too many kids in school due to their parents suddenly being 'key workers'. One of them knows the parents work at their local bookies which is shut and they're both on furlough so she did a bit of digging on their Facebook pages only to find them posting pictures of them at a friend's house. Utterly boronic. The parents we're told not to bring their son in tomorrow.
With figures across the board rising fast and setting new records surely people would realise this is not the time to be self-centred. We NEED to all play our part just to get to Easter without overrunning the hospitals.
We are keeping our son out of school despite us both working in critical worker roles (have been reviewing reports related to vaccines this week).
It is bloody hard work doing home schooling as well,but would rather that than both him being in school and also taking a place of someone in the nhs
Commented elsewhere, but as most companies have now sorted out PPE and procedures they're less likely to be closing down during lockdown so there are, inevitably, more kids needing school. If the Govt(s) don't start shutting down more business (and therefore increasing support to them) then that won't change.
Indeed. Many work places are considered “Covid secure” now. The stay at home message from the government needs to be amended, otherwise those workplaces will keep the mingling going, and we’ll stay in a weaker “lock down” than in March, at a time when Sage are warning that it needs to be stronger.
COVID Secure. Saying it doesn’t make it so.
Commented elsewhere, but as most companies have now sorted out PPE and procedures they’re less likely to be closing down during lockdown so there are, inevitably, more kids needing school. If the Govt(s) don’t start shutting down more business (and therefore increasing support to them) then that won’t change.
Just because you can work it doesnt mean you are a keyworker...I mean take me a teacher, I'm only a key worker because other key workers need child care, its a spiral of doom....
Are they opening up the private hospitals to Nhs patients again ?
F*ck that was stressful. Never expected so many people (stupid I know) in such a relatively small space/s
Around 60 inside inc staff and my heads just saying "that means down here in urban Kent, there's possibly about 2 infected people in here".
That said, most were elderly and hopefully have been more careful than most.
Even so, that many people, no ventilation in the rooms.... I was counting the seconds down to the 15 minutes when we could go.
Not been around that many people since March. I didn't realise I'd find that so scary, just being around a few people basically.
Please don't let this put anyone off!
My risk assessment levels are extremely high!
As far as I'm concerned we won the lottery today. On to of that the oh had her second Pfizer jab. That means I'm now the weak point in the chain. I can live with that.
Fyi, pfizer vaccine.
Great news poopscoop 👍
^^Thanks matey.
Are they opening up the private hospitals to Nhs patients again ?
Yes, UCLH at least, cancer surgeries have been moved to private hospitals, again, though the surgeons I know are not keen on the private clinics, especially for more complex cases as the support isn't the same (it's NHS hospital that usually pick up the pieces when things go wrong)
kelvin
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Can you not tell her you’re going for a walk in the snow while you’re out?
Lol, I did fib and say it might snow. No dice.
Thanks Kimbers, I hadn’t seen it reported it anywhere but that’s a bit of good news at least.
I’ve also heard third hand, that people in London were getting their 2nd vaccine shot pretty much on time.
Plenty of my teaching friends are saying they had way too many kids in school due to their parents suddenly being ‘key workers’. One of them knows the parents work at their local bookies which is shut and they’re both on furlough so she did a bit of digging on their Facebook pages only to find them posting pictures of them at a friend’s house. Utterly boronic. The parents we’re told not to bring their son in tomorrow.
Without sounding too holier than thou
My lab has been classified as essential work this time & I have a letter & everything
But we've decided not to send the kids in, I'd rather the places went to the kids whose parents sound like those above + we have broadband & enough devices so all our kids can work online, I'm not starting work until 2pm & my wife's plan to return to work this September has been scuppered by this pesky pandemic. Its hell, we have a mountain of work for then each day- 4yr old feral twins & 6&8 Yr old gaming addicts, but it's their classmates that aren't on the morning zoom meetings I'm more worried about tbh.
Good news Poopscoop as I recall how worried you are that you took such important measures beyond what most would to protect her.
Some may recall my gran caught it back in March survived but knocked her mobility back. She went back into hospital this am with an infection but seems to be doing well. She wouldn’t let the Dr on the ward see her until she had her chicken sandwich. 😂
I’ve also heard third hand, that people in London were getting their 2nd vaccine shot pretty much on time.
Its all over the place, all the research fellows doing PhDs have been called back to covid work, they were all promised vaccines, but some trusts didn't have enough, one workmate had to ring up & beg the gp as hospital had run out, other colleague sent a message saying her hospital received more doses than expected & had to use them that day, a few extra people managed to get it, but the unused ones got binned 😦
Good news is they've all been done now, tho they start back next week & Pfizer at least is 14 days? until protected
Around 60 inside inc staff and my heads just saying “that means down here in urban Kent, there’s possibly about 2 infected people in here”.
Where was that Poopscoop? Medway?