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I really hope house moves aren't banned, from a purely selfish perspective.
I don't think he will do a full lockdown yet. Just put everyone into tier 4 with yr11 and yr13 going in for face to face.
Stop people going to the supermarkets in multiples, where possible, would make sense. I saw families shopping yesterday and it just made no sense for the whole family to be doing that - understand there are needs must scenarios.
I really hope house moves aren’t banned, from a purely selfish perspective.
The Scottish rules allow house moves, so we probably will.
The govt will go on and on about how English ‘exams will still be happening’… Then shelve them 20 minutes after the Scots do.
Scotland cancelled them on 8th Dec......
Stop people going to the supermarkets in multiples, where possible, would make sense.
I haven't seen a single case of multiple adults going into shops around here. Is that very different elsewhere then?
The Scottish rules allow house moves, so we probably will.
Thanks. I hope so. I know it's selfish. But we've been trying to move to this house since the start of August now and financial commitments have been made... first world problems i know.
I actually think the word "lockdown" will really help. The tier system people are interpreting as less severe and so people are more relaxed. Part of this is that schools are open.
The wording of "lockdown" along with specifying people should go solo to shops (as mentioned above), that hygiene is still important and that mixing, even outside, is a bad idea (I know we can debate that) and schools are closed will help.
They still need to be clear about who can go to work an who can't.
I haven’t seen a single case of multiple adults going into shops around here. Is that very different elsewhere then?
Yep, we regularly saw whole families in the supermarkets on a trip out over Christmas..
How well did the last lockdown work in Kent? I know that schools will make a difference, but there are too many people in the SE who really don’t care.
Yep, we regularly saw whole families in the supermarkets on a trip out over Christmas..
Same here, people are keeping distance and wearing masks, but there are lots of couples and families with kids. I know sometimes the latter can't be helped but when there are 2 parents and 2 kids you wonder why they can't wait in the car.
A personal highlight from the weekends Aldi trip was the slightly distressed voice of a mother calling "will you please, please stop licking the trolley" to her kid. I did have to chuckle.
UK COVID alert level being moved to level 5, which means “..a material risk of healthcare being overwhelmed”
I haven’t seen a single case of multiple adults going into shops around here. Is that very different elsewhere then?
Family groups in super markets, mixed household groups in the same car, both seem fairly common. Outside social distancing is a bit of an iffy one from what I've seen but everything seems to be pointing to it not being a major source of transmission. I am struggling a bit with why people drive into the area and then doing their shopping as well as go for a walk.
UK COVID alert level being moved to level 5, which means “..a material risk of healthcare being overwhelmed”
Where is this from?
My girlfriend went to the Trafford Centre just after Christmas to return a faulty item she could only do in the shop. Got out of her car and a car pulls up beside her. Fella asks, "Where is the main entrance? We've come from Newcastle and never been before"
I haven’t seen a single case of multiple adults going into shops around here. Is that very different elsewhere then?
Very common. Her - face shield, him - mask not covering nose, both - tracksuits.
Reported by BBC correspondent, posted on The Guardian feed.
@airvent - reported in Guardian - one level higher than the spring lockdown alert level
@lunge - I agree; I think the semantics matter. I also hope that the recent news articles about how hard things are in hospitals will make people cautious through fear. It seems like self-interest is the only motivator for many.
Wales has effectivly been locked down for a while and number are starting to fall by the looks of things; however compliance seems to be a lot lower than before and I think that some of it comes down to not being 'locked down'
Blimey. Then yes, new measures/instructions need to be clear as regards keeping numbers down in supermarkets then. As well as staying local, reducing number of trips, mask wearing, distancing... all the basics. I thought all this stuff was still going on everywhere. In my defence, this year has been very locale bubble reinforcing though.
How well did the last lockdown work in Kent? I know that schools will make a difference, but there are too many people in the SE who really don’t care
It didn't work and the vast majority of people were taking it seriously although the traffic levels were much higher.
The rates in north Kent started rising in October and didn't stop rising through the half term, lockdown, tire 3 and tire 4 and only seemed to level off over Christmas. I do not know what happened after Christmas though.
Levels are dropping slightly now. The whole SE has gone bonkers. I’m on the Kent/Sussex border and we went from verging on tier 1 to worst in country within 3 weeks.
I’m on the Kent/Sussex border and we went from verging on tier 1 to worst in country within 3 weeks.
Which is testament to the transmissibility of the new variant, I fear, rather than any particularly awful rule-breaking by the residents. And why the whole country needs to get shuttered ASAP.
If they've forced some schools to go in today, and then decide tonight it's too dangerous...
Sweepstakes - I reckon BJ turning up at 8.45pm for his 8pm appointment, with some clearly hastily thrown together slides, and at some point they will share the Zoom window by mistake.
Economy - I dunno about shielding my parents, seems there is a chance I might be moving back in with them
TBH the difference in infection rates is mindboggling right now. According to the <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">data.gov.uk</span> page, the 7 day average to yesterday stands at:
Wales 469.4 per 100000
England 476.9
Northern Ireland 394.9
Scotland 188.3
I believe London/SE is reckoned to be 4 weeks ahead of Scotland. Hopefully todays response from Holyrood will curtail the, still inevitable, increase a bit.
Wales 469.4 per 100000
England 476.9
Northern Ireland 394.9
Scotland 188.3
Population densities will be a factor to some degree, although what I've found from a quick google is not really fine enough detail. Wales has a lot of empty space as an example:
MartinH - we have had such low rates down here all year I definitely think complacency was rife in Sussex.
When Kent went into Tier 4, my publican friends reported plenty of “illegals” coming in and trying to blag it.
Hmmm, so I was wrong about late Tuesday
Sadly, it has become increasingly clear over the last week that case numbers are continuing to rise at an alarming rate both locally and nationally and that the NHS is struggling. We will continue to be open to all children of critical workers who need us but it is really important to note that if only one parent is a critical worker and there is an adult that is at home then this is the safest place for your child to be.
I wonder where this language comes from though... after all it was obvious to anyone that case numbers were rising dramatically in school the end of last term but the message was that school was safer. I wonder of this is standard text the schools are told to use??
I'm also wondering what the point is of
the safest place for your child to be.
.. how can they possibly say that without a detailed medical history for each child?
As far as I can work out for the overwhelming majority of the children the COVID risk is and always has been miniscule and the COVID risk was not about children but parents, carers, teachers and the general population.
Total cluster xxxx but still not very last thing Tuesday.
Meanwhile OH is on a zoom call for her school... doesn't seem like the Deputy Head knew this in advance.
Now I guess we wait and I'll see if my hospital appointment for tomorrow at 10am is cancelled.
Stop people going to the supermarkets in multiples, where possible, would make sense. I saw families shopping yesterday and it just made no sense for the whole family to be doing that – understand there are needs must scenarios.
You got data on supermarket transmissions? My partner and I pretty much always go together often on the now standard covid lockdown walk. Surly you are not in-contact with people long enough for the risk to be that big? My only rational for this is I always use the nhs tracker app and haven't been trace tracked yet. Although sods low it happens in a few days after going this evenoing.
Had a look at Statista, and the UK has more COVID deaths per capita than the yanks, even with Donald Trump.
That's special.
As usual looks like bozo already briefed Peston on the new restrictions....
Everywhere tier 4
Schools closed
No outdoor team sports
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1346110314224340993?s=20
From the FT ( https://www.ft.com/content/f1550dbb-e36f-43be-a537-306ccfdaffca):
Several Whitehall officials told the Financial Times that the Cabinet agreed on Monday afternoon that primary and secondary schools would probably close until the mid-February half-term break, reflecting the seriousness of the situation.
Schools maybe closed but I'll be in one tomorrow!, With loads of kids.
I really hope house moves aren’t banned, from a purely selfish perspective.
In laws due to be moving into a sheltered accommodation in 3 weeks - both in their 80s, one late stage cancer, the other early dementia. This really needs to happen, even if they have to isolate for 14 days afterwards
Well, I suppose if there isn't a press conference, he can't be late too it...
So, the lobbyists won until the forecast looked grim enough for Boris to defy his master's....
So all the kids have met for one day, swapped their infections they picked up over Christmas, given them to the teachers, and then taken them home...
I wish we had an able and competent government of any colour right now.
Can we install Hunt via some kind of coup… he’s in the party that won the last election… no democratic deficit… I don’t agree with him politically, and I doubt I’d agree with much of his decision making… but he sounds as if he would make decisions, rather than can kick every issue down every road, ‘till a dead end forces his tired absent lazy hand. We need a full time PM.
Easiest. Prediction. In. History.
Leadership is about taking unpopular decisions and carrying the populace with clear explanation. That explanation was available from before Christmas. That the epidemic was growing in the South due to a more transmissible strain and Tier 4 may not be sufficient due to schools.
It's not actually THAT much more transmissible to be honest, but things have been balanced with R about unity so even a modest increase is enough to set things off again.
lockdown today, next week bask in the glory of falling infection rates resulting from T4 implemented 2 weeks ago.
I second what TiRed said.
@kelvin and i would like to third what @TiRed said.
It's no surprise at all really. Where i am (Surrey), people seem to have given up completely on any social distancing. Our village was like Glasto over Christmas and New Year, teeming with people... It's really frustrating, how will it ever get better?
falling infection rates resulting from T4 implemented 2 weeks ago.
Doubt it. The amount of areas moving up a Tier and SE showing no sign of Tier 4 improvement I think it will take a lot longer to reduce.
Can we install Hunt via some kind of coup… he’s in the party that won the last election… no democratic deficit… I don’t agree with him politically, and I doubt I’d agree with much of his decision making… but he sounds as if he would make decisions, rather than can kick every issue down every road, ‘till a dead end forces his tired absent lazy hand. We need a full time PM.
Totally agree. He's at least talking like someone with a confident plan and crucially putting health before the 'market'.
Boris is terrified of making unpopular decisions and seems to always do things reluctantly. We need confident decisions, people would respect that.
Maybe apart from Julia Hartley Spewers vile mob.
Starmer sounded like a dithering tit on the radio earlier about schools. By God has he missed some opportunities.
One week for cases, two for admissions, three for deaths. The kink in deaths from the last one will show in the Week 51 mortality tomorrow.
so the hospital situation in the SE (today) is likely tied to T2/3 restrictions, just prior to the creation of T4 (if ive followed you) and likely to get worse for a little while yet...
the NHS guys i know are pretty fraught, anyone wanna drive an ambulance or stab folk with a needle?
We’ve been beyond Tier 4 and had schools closed in Wales for three weeks and it doesn’t seem to have gone down much🤷♂️