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they can goto **** with a national lockdown, we aren't to bad here and the cases this week are actually less than last. i'll not be taking any notice of it if it happens.
bigfoot
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they can goto **** with a national lockdown, we aren’t to bad here and the cases this week are actually less than last. i’ll not be taking any notice of it if it happens.
Seriously. Well done you. Not occured to you that wherever you might live* will be just as hard hit? Very soon. Sooner due to activities of people like you.
Stunningly short sighted. I mean wtaf?
Anyway, no point in pointing out the obvious to some people so you go and do as you want I guess. Hopefully I don't live near you.
*unless you live in an area literally cut off from the rest of the UK/ world?
bigfoot
Free Memberthey can goto **** with a national lockdown, we aren’t to bad here and the cases this week are actually less than last. i’ll not be taking any notice of it if it happens.
Then frankly I hope you get the maximum penalties available.
More kite flying by ‘a Downing Street source’ (we all know it’s Dominic Cummings)
And where’s that other bloke? The useless **** who’s pretending to be prime minister? Nowhere to be seen, yet again
Britain doing what Britain does best.
Rank incompetency.
Any one with a modicum of understanding in terms of what would happen when human cognitive biases and conservative ideology collide in this context, could tell you what was going to happen. I fully expect this place to be a post apocalyptic walking dead style barren shithole when or if I go to and eventually return from the Netherlands - punctuated by the odd call centre manned by scared and dishevelled Gollum's with the reanimated corpse of Corbyn put in charge.
We know four things from the epidemic curves (deaths, cases, admissions…)
Without any intervention the epidemic of cases and deaths doubles every 2-3 days (in multiple countries)
With lockdown restrictions and education closed, the epidemic halves every 14-21 days
With current restrictions and education open, the epidemic doubles every 10-14 days
There is a lag of about a week between actions and new cases, and another week from hospital admissions to deaths.
From this it’s relatively straightforward to infer the likely effects of lockdown, circuit breakers and so on.
That is all so depressingly accurate. Unfortunately the only viable action could well be scuppered thanks to idiots who think:
they can goto **** with a national lockdown, we aren’t to bad here and the cases this week are actually less than last. i’ll not be taking any notice of it if it happens.
It's looking more and more likely that I won't be able to share christmas or my 40th birthday with my parents, one or both who may no longer be with me in 12 months. I utterly despise anyone who is responsible for the utter bit of a mess that masquerades for the 'Leadership' that has supposedly been managing this issue.
The original title of this thread (it's in the address bar) really does sum this whole mess up.
What seems like ages ago I posted about much more rigorous enforcement of the regs and increasing the fines for non-compliance.
More than ever I think that's necessary to reinforce the message.
If a new national lockdown is implemented...
- increase the minimum fine to £1,000 and the max to £25,000
- do not allow the police to 'exercise discretion' in applying the regs unless there is a proven medical reason
- adopt the French approach; official document required when leaving house.
Retail - mainly supermarkets - need to apply the regs more 'diligently'; if you claim exemption from mask wearing, show evidence; otherwise no mask = no entry.
Consider making all uni courses online unless the course content makes that impossible; all students whose course can be moved online to be tested and, if clear, sent home. If not clear, quarantine, re-test and send home when clear.
Re-fund rent payments.
More than a few practical problems in implementing ^^^ but delay, dither and death has been the gov's hallmark to date.
johnson can have that three word slogan on me.
So far, johnson & his polyps have been playing at this which is why the death toll is high, will get much worse and regulatory compliance is less than impressive.
As for bigfoot - what an irresponsible, ignorant attitude.
Try doing the right thing - or is that a concept which you don't understand?
Just thinking aloud here...
What I don't get is the very people that constantly moan about wearing a mask (I know a couple) are the very same people that are the first up in arms when regional/national lockdowns are announced. I know masks are mostly about marginal gains but if you won't even modify your behaviour to wear one of those, what are the chances of you bothering to wash your hands** or distance from people?
** I'm more inclined to think that a lot of guys don't even bother to wash their hands after having a sh*t let alone due to Covid after the moaning they do about wearing a mask for 5 minute in a shop. Yes, I find it's mainly men that find masks somehow abhorrent to their sensibilities.
So theme tune for Britain's second lockdown?
I'm thinking....
Sage warned them in September, but it was ignored.
They had a perfect opportunity to try a 2-3 week circuit breaker around half term, but it was ignored.
It's been bloody obvious to experts, and curious observers like me, what was likely to happen and what would be needed. Someone, somewhere must be preparing a fantastic version of the Hitler bunker video.
Christmas, and several thousand people, are now ****ed.
Proposing a socially distanced march on Parliament to protest "no confidence" in the government is probably unwise, but I can't help thinking that flooding MPs post bags and inboxes calling for a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister and some sort of government of national unity might be a start.
While I'm inclined to agree with frankconway about a zero tolerance approach on enforcement, that ship has sailed. Numbers who are entrenched in their attitude of non-compliance outweigh the Police resources required to deal with it. Yet another example of the consequences of 10 years of austerity depleting public services, poor legislation and poor communication.
And Bigfoot, yeah well, he's not worth the ban so I won't bother.
With such stunning foresight, I suppose they must be surprised every time the sun rises. What I’d give to be so totally oblivious to reality, it must be a lot less stressful than seeing it coming and not being able to do anything about it!
A worrying theme in my shop this week in West Yorkshire, is that this time round more and more of my customers know someone who has tested positive, as this person didn't die that means that its a whole load of fuss about nothing. I have pointed out that the LGI has already got 5 wards full of people that might...
And last week a customer high up at a Uni told me that they had had conversations with government about the best time for a lockdown. Uni said October break, government said later in November. Uni pointed out that if they left it too late, all those Covid Kids would go home early for Christmas.
Yes there we go, another “leaked by a government advisor” headline. Likely an announcement Monday and we’ll still wait until Friday to lockdown - several weeks too late. This cannot be anything more than criminal negligence.
We have to do our bit, but there will be one or two rules I'll break. I'm buying a house with my partner who I do not live with currently so we will continue to see each other illegally until our move in date.
Cant really see how the logistics of moving will work if we dont.
At least I'll get to go and stand in a room for an hour with 30 disease bags 6 times a day!!
Poopscoop
Full MemberJust thinking aloud here…
** I’m more inclined to think that a lot of guys don’t even bother to wash their hands after having a sh*t let alone due to Covid after the moaning they do about wearing a mask for 5 minute in a shop.
Bleugh. Eurgghhh.
I want to say you're wrong but I know you're right.
Euwww.
What I’d give to be so totally oblivious to reality, it must be a lot less stressful than seeing it coming and not being able to do anything about it!
That's a very pithy and accurate description of how I feel.
Father in law (closing in on end stage prostate cancer) has just come out of hospital, essentially in due to the stress and exhaustion of caring for mother in law with mild but advancing dementia. She's in respite till next week, they have a move to supported accomodation planned for end of November. I'd hope any lockdown would at least let that happen, for everyone's sake.
From reading the BBC article, it sounds like "We're going to lock you up till christmas, let you out for a week to all get ill and then lock you up again!"
I don't have the attachment to Christmas some do, but surely its better just to say - not this year.
Looking like Cumming's Wile E. Coyote has ratcheted us well and truly out over the cliff. By floating this now (as mentioned above) we risk the big flee home from the students. Plenty of people going for one last pre-restriction beer / trip. At least it's going to be a wet weekend which will contain a big breakout to the country. If they are going for it then hopefully it comes in before next weekend - otherwise it's one last hurrah again. No doubt Boris will undermine the message with some we don't want to do it... freedom loving funtimers of the world unite closing statement.
It's probably fair to expect Captain Funtime's big Christmas blow out when it ends - which would just seem to be storing up problems for late January / February. I can see a lot of pressure to return to pre-national local lock down tiers from the regions. We do a month, come out in December then there is a demob happy mixing for a week or two then straight into Christmas mixing.
It's just messy.
The BBC article suggests unis will stay open. So absolutely no forward plan for unis at Christmas. Either get students tested and sent home on a rolling basis from now, or you'll have to keep them at uni over Christmas to prevent thousands of potentially infected students reseeding the virus around the country in one big wave.
Anyway, we have enough loo roll, pasta and rice to see us through for 2-3 weeks. But we are a bit low on guinea pig food, hay and sawdust. And if I need to go and get some of that in town I may pop into the Easy Barber and get a #2 all over like I did just before lockdown, which saw me through for 3 months.
And I might go and get a decent flat white while I still can....
Why leave the schools open? All the mums congregate while dropping their darlings off at their socially distanced queue and then the older ones have a scrum at the bus stop.
Leave the shops open and shut the schools.
Politics innit zippy. That option left the station a week ago and we were not on board.
"Leaking" this now (controlled/managed leak I guess in the standard Government manner of trying to avoid anything that looks like a decision) is just going to give s weekend of wild speculation about what might be coming, the level of lockdown, the rules over Christmas etc until the actual press briefing on Monday.
Although I assume by then they'll have run through the responses, worked out what they can get away with politically and be able to implement it by pretending it's their Grand Plan.
Anyway, one weekend where everyone will be panic buying and seeing all their mates for one last piss up. Well done Boris you massive shower of ****tery.
Sage warned them in September, but it was ignored.
They had a perfect opportunity to try a 2-3 week circuit breaker around half term, but it was ignored.
It’s been bloody obvious to experts, and curious observers like me, what was likely to happen and what would be needed. Someone, somewhere must be preparing a fantastic version of the Hitler bunker video.
Christmas, and several thousand people, are now ****.
This x1000. As predicted back in the summer, this government is destined to squander every opportunity placed in its path. People should be rightly angry about the extent of the lockdown to come, and the economic damage it causes, because this lot have chosen it through failing to follow clear scientific advice.
At least I’ll get to go and stand in a room for an hour with 30 disease bags 6 times a day!!
With the windows open and because it's a recirculating heating system no heating (but the parks guy who did the risk assessment reckons it'll be fine). I had a no biscuits meeting because I moved a class from a stuffy no open windows room to my cold and draughty sanctum.
They had a perfect opportunity to try a 2-3 week circuit breaker around half term, but it was ignored.
If I was being cynical, they have seized the opportunity perfectly. By locking down again now rather than 3-5 weeks ago, the chaos spirals over into New Year and disguises (some of) the No Deal chaos that's about to hit us.
This is a way of hiding the catastrophe of Brexit that's waiting around the corner. Claim they were following the advice, claim that the Tier system would have worked if it wasn't for the rulebreakers (and immigrants and hungry children going out foraging and...and...), pretend they're trying to save Christmas and then oh no, everything that goes wrong afterwards is all to do with Covid, not Brexit.
Hands up who thinks it will be an actual lockdown, as opposed to the loose fudge of last time, where we all use our common sense to drive to Basrnard Castle?
I'm struggling to find the data, but it seems the England figures are still climbing, but Scotland maybe slowing, NI possibly slowing, (some) of Wales slowing...
TiRed care to comment?
(I don't mean this as a nationalistic competition, more there are 4 different approaches to managing things now, and becoming more distinct. I'm interested in how the figures differ and why we think they are differing. If at all of course.)
Schools open <> lockdown.
That’s it. Hope that any extra measures above Tier 3 manage to stabilise transmission rates. I’m not hopeful. But the measures will have an effect
At the moment, very roughly:
Tier 1 - admissions doubling 7-14d
Tier 2 - admissions doubling 14-21d
Tier 3 - admissions doubling >21d
Tier 4?
Lockdown - admissions halve every 21d
Yes it really is about that simple I am afraid.
Is it true...that last week only 2 people were admitted into hospital across the UK with Influenza? (Was in a BBC piece about fact checks)...is this normal because I would have guessed it might be in the hundreds if not thousands?
Words fail me at this, yet another, inept response. The leaked ahead of time rule changes. The inconsistent messaging. The failure to follow any science. The failure to follow economic evidence. The failure to follow their own rules. The utter shambles, just every time, in every matter.
What did we as a country do to deserve these ijits
Words fail me at this, yet another, inept response. The leaked ahead of time rule changes. The inconsistent messaging. The failure to follow any science. The failure to follow economic evidence. The failure to follow their own rules. The utter shambles, just every time, in every matter.
Follow The Dogma!
no action on schools and universities means a half arsed lockdown, thats already ignoring the health service (gps hospitals care homes) and the ever expanding list of key workers.... im not voting for a police state, so whatever lockdown will be ineffective.
father christmas is not a key worker.
vaccine or brace yourselves for a lot of (unnecessary) deaths. ive low expectations for a vaccine and the pace at which it can be rolled out, so deaths.
or the modern version which i believe is pronounced lattebulate - same but with milky coffee
The govt should be ashamed. Not only have they condemned thousands to a COVID related death, they’ve condemned others like me who now know for sure there is no chance they will see their loved one ever again. I’m out.
C Pagel is reporting a significant increase in infection amongst 20-40yo women, a high proportion of whom work in hospitality, education, care and retail.
If you close non essential retailers...you could well have to do what the Welsh did with regards to blocking off certain areas of supermarkets...because people will look to supermarkets to buy "these non essentials"...meaning huge footfall which will create a problem in itself...this is the problem with rules and laws...they produce hydra like effects and thus require more rules and laws.
Lockdown – admissions halve every 21d
Yes it really is about that simple I am afraid.
If everything is off and running as wildly as it seems four weeks isn't enough. Six looks a fighting chance but then Christmas mixing sets us back again. Do we go for nine weeks to avoid another return to national restrictions? A block of six and another block of six or more late winter? Four and go for a bigger block after? We're also into which is the least worst option for Brexit - businesses in lock down in the run up or businesses in lock after the end of the transition.
This winter… always remember that the scale of the economic damage, the lives lost, and the effects on the mental health of the nation, is down to a political decision.
I believe private health care is booming at the moment...i read one guy saying save your annual new car, holiday and home improvements and put that into private health care?!
Susie Dent, I salute you 😁👍
Be interesting to see how schools hold up in terms of pupil and teacher attendance. We are going to be pretty lucky here in leafy West Berks as we are shutting down early if it happens, other places with 400/100 000 are going to find it tough to stay open I expect.