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We probably can't predict the magnitude of the outcome though.
Some excellent advice from MREW
Trumps all the alarmist nonsense from some of the local teams, the national parks and tourism authorities.
Government advice to parents, from an email from Jnrs college:
"We will only [allow schools and colleges to re-open] provided that the 5 key tests set by government justify the changes at the time, including that the rate of infection is decreasing and the enabling programmes set out in the road-map are operating effectively"
How confident are we that this won't be fudged?
Johnson is getting a proper kicking from everyone on PMQ's at the moment, just a shame its not a literal kicking at the top of a flight of stairs.
What a tramp of a man he is.
Total B***ends
Are you referring to the folk who wrote that click-bait bullshit article?
RM.
I assume you were one of those trying to cross illegally then Rogermoore?
Year 10 and 12 are back for some face to face from 1st June.
This from DFE, and someone had better speak to Boris, because on Sunday/Monday, he said only primary. DFE does explicitly say that the Y10/Y12 will not be a full timetable, but 1 and 6 will be.
This from DFE, and someone had better speak to Boris,
Said this on sunday
someone had better speak to Boris
Could it be an officer of the law, reading him his rights?
Man can dream.
I assume you were one of those trying to cross illegally then Rogermoore?
Nah, but neither were the imaginary ones made up in the article.
RM.
This from DFE, and someone had better speak to Boris, because on Sunday/Monday, he said only primary. DFE does explicitly say that the Y10/Y12 will not be a full timetable, but 1 and 6 will be.
Pretty sure it was mentioned on Sunday, and was a scenario my lads college were already discussing with parents a week or two before then.
I'm at a loss ... my immune system is highly screwed up. It's not weak, it's over enthusiastic and loves nothing better than to go ape on the rest of me. I don't have a clue how it will react to C-19.... I rather suspect either I'd be mostly asymptomatic/short battle or full on cytokine storm.
Based on that I've been self isolating... Now OH has to go back to teach Yr.1 (paid as a TA but qualified to teach but then basically just acting as a childminder anyway) ... and Jnr go into Yr 6 for some indeterminate reason. Other than doing his SAT's this week they haven't set anything academic since lockdown (drawings and models) and they have no academic curriculum left once he goes back.
Now I'm working out if/how I can move out somewhere and for how long?
I guess the silver lining is I give it 2 weeks for them all to get infected after 1st June then 2 weeks for symptoms so it's probably just quite temporary???
I am the same. I'm on an immunosuppressant therapy to reign in my immune system, and as a result I am supposed to be "Shielding". This is possible at the moment as my wife and kids are effectively Shielding too, but once they return to work/school, I'll be vulnerable, so I am thinking about what I can do. Retreating into one room and closing the door can't be a long term solution.
Press briefing time…
484 more deaths in 24 hours. And that’s with the previous control measures, what will Today’s new slacker measures bring? Will we see a graph comparing us with other countries…? Any mention of lessons to learn from their moves to slacker control measures?
Retreating into one room and closing the door can’t be a long term solution.
We all need to be responsible for stopping the spread of the virus through our communities. We can’t expect you to live in a bubble.
Disappointing that most of the media questions at today's presser are re-hashes of Starmer's questions at PMQs.
If johnson wouldn't answer, why do the journos think one of his acolytes would do anything different?
The media need to up their game.
Are we allowed some levity on this thread?
moab - very good; levity needed.
Troutwrestler
I am the same. I’m on an immunosuppressant therapy to reign in my immune system, and as a result I am supposed to be “Shielding”. This is possible at the moment as my wife and kids are effectively Shielding too, but once they return to work/school, I’ll be vulnerable, so I am thinking about what I can do. Retreating into one room and closing the door can’t be a long term solution.
I'm not on immuno-suppressants at the moment so I can't even see that being a short term option.
Getting a dosage correct would take months and even then it would need to target the correct parts of the immune system.
From the sound of it your's isn't balanced ??
So far I got missed off the "critical/DNR/don't waste a ICU bed list" ... I'm not exactly keen to put my name on.
We all need to be responsible for stopping the spread of the virus through our communities. We can’t expect you to live in a bubble.
Easier said than done when the government is intent on spreading it.
It beats me how we expect a different result to Germany ... or why people believe that the UK is so much better/more organised-prepared than Germany.
Mrs RNP had bit of a nose dive over the last few days, absolutely wiped out and her neck glands are swollen/hurting. Rung GP who wanted her to have a Corona test even though it was 7 weeks ago since she first came down with it. Also prescribed amoxycelin.
Went to Manchester Airport pop up testing centre as its our localish one (25mile away).
The staff there were great - keep your windows closed and ring them on the numbers instructed. You get a bag with enclosed instructions and swab kit. Drive across to a parking area where you do the swabbing yourself then to a final cabin where you seal and deposit it.
So good set up and well run.....but there was just nobody there! Literally just us and a few other cars.
Anyone been out today?
Just took the older 2 boys round local trails at Woburn
It was busiest I've seen it in weeks, and it's a quite cold day
TBF most people were in couples or families riding or dog walking & maintaining social distancing, but there was one group of 7 teenagers all riding together and 2 other groups of lads just hanging out.
There was also a police van at the trail head when we were leaving
So good set up and well run…..but there was just nobody there! Literally just us and a few other cars.
There's one along at the airport, about 10 mins walk from here, never anyone at it.
I think with the latest news, that I can put my house up for sale and have several groups of randomers over to look in the loft and check out the damp in the basement, but can’t have family/friends over for a cuppa makes a whole mockery of everything.
Not surprised that people can’t be bothered with things anymore and will just go out regardless.
Sorry to hear that Rusty, hope she makes a quick turnaround
makes a whole mockery of everything
Nothing to do with Tory donors getting their show homes open, oh no.
So good set up and well run…..but there was just nobody there!
Your other half is lucky to have you to look after her, and drive her to the test centre. I hope things improve for her soon.
Easier said than done when the government is intent on spreading it.
It does look that way… keep it spreading at a rate the NHS can deal with, no willingness to try and contain and suppress it.
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piemonster
SubscriberSorry to hear that Rusty, hope she makes a quick turnaround
Thanks 👍 im sure the amoxycillin will kick the shit out of whatever lurgy she has at the moment.
@kimbers - quieter here but in Wales and also its cold. Did our normal walk and saw half the people.
A friend posted a screenshot on social media (i glanced at it didnt verify if true) saying that you were allowed to car share to get to work so long as you had the windows open!!
kelvin
SubscriberIt does look that way… keep it spreading at a rate the NHS can deal with
This isn't a rate the NHS can deal with though. It's a rate the NHS can deal with while closing down other essential services and burning out staff, which is tolerable for short periods but totally unsustainable. Again because of the high incidence in the population rather than the rate of spread.
I think with the latest news, that I can put my house up for sale and have several groups of randomers over to look in the loft and check out the damp in the basement, but can’t have family/friends over for a cuppa makes a whole mockery of everything.
Speaking to agents today for work, they are a long way from letting people loose in your house. The rules around any visits sound a nightmare, even if a property is vacant.
The rules around any visits sound a nightmare
Not for show homes. Wakey, wakey… this is for Tony donors, not the average joe looking to move.
Not for show homes. Wakey, wakey… this is for Tony donors, not the average joe looking to move.
Tory donors Taylor Wimpey were even thanked on tonights briefing for their social distancing/getting back to work and helping to build our way out of recession.
You scratch my back, i’ll scratch yours.
Article on a fairly large (70k) Anti Body testing in Spain
5% average, 14.2% in the most affected region.
Which considering the scale of impact, makes me wonder about Gangelt.
I was reading up today on how much this is all costing us. Do you know- its surprisingly little in the grand scheme of things. Its costing £14bn/month, so £168bn/year. The 2008 crash cost £500bn, much of which was paid back of course.
If these numbers are accurate, then this proves something: UBI, which would cost less, could be a success, if implemented carefully. We're pretty much on an unscripted & unplanned UBI deployment right now with furlough, and the bulk of that money is going straight back into the economy in food, bills, etc.
Imagine what could be done in the right hands with this. Could be a good move as a Keynesian booster post-Covid.
Most of that $500bn figure for 2008 was in guarantees/indemnities. The actual amount spent on share purchase was just over £100bn I believe. Someone feel free to correct.
Imagine what could be done in the right hands with this. Could be a good move as a Keynesian booster post-Covid.
Yeah but, work shy wasters, blah blah blah
rydster- quite correct, but I kept it at the official 'total' figure, just for completeness.
a_a- indeed. And this is why it will probably never be a 'thing'.
Anyway- hope it was of interest.
As for house builders re-opening sites; building houses when the market for them is disappearing in front of their eyes.
How few local residents would welcome construction activity continuing until 9pm? But jenrick made it clear he would not expect councils to refuse permission to builders; I anticipate multiple representations to local councils - let's see how they react.
Returning to the thread title all those 293 pages ago....we're not all going to die from/with coronavirus but the WHO are saying we might have to learn to live with it.
I'm sure we all recognise that's a possibility as there is no guarantee a vaccine will be developed but the message is timely.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that Covid-19 may be here to stay.
"This virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities and this virus may never go away," Michael Ryan, the WHO's emergencies director, told a virtual press conference in Geneva.
"HIV has not gone away - but we have come to terms with the virus."
He said that, without a vaccine, it could take years for the population to build up sufficient levels of immunity to the virus. There are many attempts being carried out around the world to develop a vaccine but experts say there is a risk that one may never be created.
Meanwhile, as countries across the globe start easing lockdown measures, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned that the process could trigger new waves of infections.
Ryan said there was lots of "magical thinking" surrounding countries opening back up. He added that there was a "long, long way to go" on the path to returning to normal.
That's an interesting question. Noise from a building site is a potential liability under the tort of nuisance. What basis is there in common law for a noise to be reasonable just because there is a threat of economic recession which needs staving off? Answers anyone? 😀 Can builders make more noise now if it helps them avoid bankruptcy??!!
god this is so depressing
the whole freaking point of a testing programme is that the data is used to help track & treat patients in the community
Instead its simply a number for the minister to waive around at the daily briefing
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-testing-labs-nhs-deloitte-uk-a9511766.html
We can’t expect you to live in a bubble.
Says someone not on immunosuppressants. IN your position steve, I'd definitely be cautious at this stage. If an antiviral or other therapeutic option is available, things may be different. The case of the vulnerable child or child who lives with a vulnerable adult seems poorly defined - It's a hard edge case and there isn't going to be an obvious answer. But children won't be getting any significant education for months anyway - they are better off with BBC Schools.
Article on a fairly large (70k) Anti Body testing in Spain
5% average, 14.2% in the most affected region.
I've said it multiple times, I would be amazed if we have reached 10% prevalence in the UK. Even 5% would be optimistic outside London. The mortality figure backs this up with. Similar surveys are being done in the UK too. Even a poor assay gives good results on this sample size.
I would be amazed if we have reached 10% prevalence in the UK. Even 5% would be optimistic outside London.
So where did the estimates of 6-7 weeks ago come from?
Open letter from UK statistics regulator to hancock asking for clarity on what the testing numbers refer to.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-statistics-chief-calls-for-clarity-over-daily-covid-19-test-count
Original story in HSJ but I can't access it.
Would be very interested in hancock's response - if he bothers.
Apologies if this has been done.