You’ll change your tune Pjay when it’s your own kids and parents dying or in intensive care, as opposed to Chinese people.
Central London was a lot quieter today, noticeably less tourists - not a single coach load of Chinese tourists - and the first westerners I’ve ever seen wearing facemasks.
On an aside I'm getting lots of emails through now telling me of delays with various products from various suppliers.
You'll likely see a lot of knock on from this even if it turns out to be a lot of noise in the grand scheme of illnesses.
You’ll change your tune Pjay when it’s your own kids and parents dying or in intensive care, as opposed to Chinese people.
Yeah no doubt.
I take some comfort from the fact there are few elderly / sick people in my family, we've got 3 weeks worth of food (at a push) at home and wife is a Nurse so we've all got good hand washing drills etc.
Uup shipping cancelled Until further notice for an item from China for me.
good hand washing drills etc.
It's airborne vector isn't it? (very happy to be corrected as at best it's a vague notion picked up from an inference)
d wife is a Nurse so we’ve all got good hand washing drills etc.
Won’t save you - as your wife being a nurse makes her much more at risk - healthcare workers are always disproportionately hit.
Unless you have a supply of a few hundred disposable clean room suits, several wellies, lots long nitrile or better heavy duty rubber gloves, tape, a powered respirator, and the experience and the room (including a room you can run at negative pressure) to carry out BSL decontamination methods - you stand a good chance of getting it.
and the first westerners I’ve ever seen wearing facemasks.
Dont get me started on the facemasks. They're as useful as a chocolate teapot*
*trust me im a biologist
I am as well, the articles I’ve read state they are marginally effective under certain circumstances.
they are marginally effective under certain circumstances.
So is pissing into a headwind
Unless you have a supply of a few hundred disposable clean room suits, several wellies, lots long nitrile or better heavy duty rubber gloves, tape, a powered respirator, and the experience and the room (including a room you can run at negative pressure) to carry out BSL decontamination methods – you stand a good chance of getting it.
Noted, I'm off to Lidl to see what they've got in the middle aisle.
Dont get me started on the facemasks. They’re as useful as a chocolate teapot
I thought they had some efficacy in reducing droplet dispersal?
Isn't it some sort of zoonotic virus that has crossed from one species to another - I read somewhere it was from some sort of bat soup in the animal market?
So is pissing into a headwind
From a public health perspective, marginal gains in terms of individual risk can translate to thousands or tens of thousands of lives being saved.
Therefore, I would say that encouraging or mandating their use under certain scenarios may have merit - as long as the public are made aware that its for the greater good as opposed to making them impervious to the disease.
I read somewhere it was from some sort of bat soup in the animal market?
Must be true then.
Some sort of bat soup
Sechuan pepperstrelle?
Has anyone got a link to a serious artical explaining the effectiveness / ineffectiveness of face masks ? Someone in my office has just bought one !
My daughter's best friend from school made the news: she's out there with her mum and dad. Dad and daughter are Brits and are getting out of there soon - but the mum is a Chinese National so she has to stay.
Feel really sorry for them - but on the other hand I do wonder what the Chinese make of the whole "What do you mean quarantined? We're British don't you know? We're leaving." approach. Shouldn't a quarantine apply to everyone?
And the Aussies are shoving theirs in their detention centre on Christmas Island.
Hahahahahahahahhahah
****ing karma, the shock - I am truly and deeply shocked that a bunch of racist right wing nut bags would do that to their own.
Hahahahahahaarrr
Shouldn’t a quarantine apply to everyone?
Thought the plan was to lock all the Brits away for 14 days when they get back, so they're just quarantined over here rather than over there. Wonder if that means the crew of the plane will also get the same treatment?
Probably.
They’ll be drawing straws at an RAF mess somewhere.
MAMILS most at risk !
Unless you have a supply of a few hundred disposable clean room suits, several wellies, lots long nitrile or better heavy duty rubber gloves, tape, a powered respirator, and the experience and the room (including a room you can run at negative pressure) to carry out BSL decontamination methods – you stand a good chance of getting it.
I've got a roll of gorilla tape and 3 pairs of wellies. Thank god I'm under 60 and relatively fit, and if that's not enough then **** it, at least I won't have to come and sit in this bloody office any more.
My daughter’s best friend from school made the news: she’s out there with her mum and dad. Dad and daughter are Brits and are getting out of there soon – but the mum is a Chinese National so she has to stay.
Feel really sorry for them
Really all that's going to happen is that mum makes it home in a few weeks time. Lots of inconvenience for them, but it's not like China has suddenly become zombie central.
It certainly would but a virus is probably the thing that will save the planet and it’s ever expanding population
We already solved population growth, at least in the West. Deaths out number births massively and population is in rapid decline. Well below replacement levels that no society in history has ever recovered from. (And yet a housing shortage, hmm).
Birth control access, equal rights, education, living standards. They are the solutions. Not culling the vunerable.
Also ironically the biggest influencer increasing fertility rates has always been natural disasters and wars.
Really all that’s going to happen is that mum makes it home in a few weeks time.
They are in the Hubei region and have to travel to Wuhan to catch the plane. I'm sure they will all be fine, but the daughter is only 9. "We're leaving mummy behind" is a lot to deal with at that age.
Dont get me started on the facemasks. They’re as useful as a chocolate teapot*
*trust me im a biologist
Was your validation study looking at wearing by a non-infected person as a precaution; wearing by a (possibly unaware) infected person to reduce spread or he impact on population behaviour / hygiene just from seeing people wearing them? What was the efficacy (I don't have a value for teapot utility) - even a 10-20% reduction in infection probability would likely make it worthwhile on a macro scale, even if not worth it for the individual.
We already solved population growth, at least in the West. Deaths out number births massively and population is in rapid decline.
Someone forgot to tell the UK: (about 100,000 more births than deaths pa.)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281981/live-births-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
If it’s acceptable to find it OK to not worry about the deaths of a certain group then can I hope that they weaponise it to affect the chubby ****ers out there? Obviously I’d feel bad about the loss of business for the ebike manufacturers.
What was the efficacy (I don’t have a value for teapot utility)
Chocolate Teapot scores 0.03 on the scolded testicles scale.
If it’s acceptable to find it OK to not worry about the deaths of a certain group then can I hope that they weaponise it to affect the chubby ****ers out there? Obviously I’d feel bad about the loss of business for the ebike manufacturers.
First they came for the chubby ebikes, and they said 'oh all right then, just don't make a mess'....
If it’s acceptable to find it OK to not worry about the deaths of a certain group then can I hope that they weaponise it to affect the chubby ****ers out there?
I mean we're doing alright on that front really, with heart disease, diabetes, and so on. Some do-gooders trying to undo all that work with their diets and Cto5k; but overall, fatties buying loads of taxed items and dying soon after retirement is beneficial to the rest of us.
Coronavirus has a mortality rate a bit above a normal winter influenza epidemic. It's highly unfortunate but it's not going to be as serious as SARS or heaven forbid another Spanish Flu pandemic (1918) estimated to have killed 3-5% of the worlds population.
The real upside if there is a global pandemic is all those people who manage to take multiple weeks of paid sick leave per year every year will either be killed as they are susceptible to everything; or fired as they are exposed as fakers.
Can I emphasise I was joking. Some of my best friends are strangers to the salad bar and beat the crap out of me on rides. No ebikes involved either.
Edit and in Weymouth we’ve been here before.
Someone forgot to tell the UK: (about 100,000 more births than deaths pa.)
30% of UK births were from parents not born in the UK. Who to prove my other point still have fertility levels below replacement.
If I tell my boss a Chinese looking bloke on the train sneezed over me and I need to self quarantine, do you think he'll let me take two weeks off?
Case fatality rate for
Influenza in the west (not sure about China) is about 0.01 percent from the data I have seen - this one is estimated to be 2 percent.
Basically, if they were comparable and you worked in an office of 100 people, each year two of your colleagues would drop dead from the flu. Which they don’t.
So it’s not Ebola but there will be a lot more body bags if it spreads as much as seasonal flu.
Just going to leave a link to a Nature article from 2017 talking about the new biosecure lab in Wuhan, what it researches, and China's apparently relaxed attitude to enforcing biosecurity:
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
On the topic of face masks, they have been shown to be somewhat effective at stopping seasonal colds/flu being spread by the infected I believe.
I also think that it says something good about Asia, when we constantly get bombarded with the message that life is cheap in places like China. People care enough about the society they live in, that out of politeness and respect - if they have a cold and need to go out - they wear them.
Compare and contrast to the cockwomble presenteeism here where colleagues and people on the underground think that it’s perfect acceptable to cough and splutter in your face.
Which they don’t.
More’s the pity.
Just going to leave a link to a Nature article from 2017 talking about the new biosecure lab in Wuhan, what it researches, and China’s apparently relaxed attitude to enforcing biosecurity:
Hah. Pot meet kettle.
Look up Pirbright and Foot and Mouth - although the Pirbright lot still like to deny it was them.
Just anounced on SKY NEWS, The Wirral, to the left of Liverpool is going to be home to 200 evacuees from China while they are in isolation, for 2 weeks,lots of speculation on where theyre going to be put, we have 4 local hospitals all quite full and run down, and little signs of the Chinese building a new hospital in 7 days for us.
Told me the other day he’d ploughed through the Witcher in a couple of goes. That’s how bad it’s getting.
Read all three pages and this is the bit that stands out for me. Surely he must have just covered the main storyline?
Here’s an untreatable virus to reduce the population by 5%!
It’ll have to choose something more effective if it only kills 5%
That’s still 350 million dead. That’s quite tangible, no?
Told me the other day he’d ploughed through the Witcher in a couple of goes. That’s how bad it’s getting.
That’s whiskey and a revolver territory.
