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He is right quite often, a bit like a Jeeves to Stoner's Wooster.

Not read all of this but I was always under the impression that a bag of coal weighed 1cwt. ??????

And as an aside, when I was 15 (and weighing some 9st) I used to work as a chip shop peeler/chipper and one of my duties was offloading all the bags of potatoes. I could happily carry two 56lb bags - one on each shoulder (and could pick them both off the floor and on to my shoulders somehow). In the busy summer months we used to do (IIRC) about 30/40 bags twice a week so I regularly lifted 4,500lbs a week.

So - given MY experience, I could believe that someone knowing the right technique could be able to lift 2cwt pretty much all day.

Finally - I know someone who was a coal man and he couldn't stand straight in his 50s so I guess doing it may not actually be good for your long-term health.

Elfin is like Dr Who. He regenerates periodically, with a different name.

Doctor Who regenerates periodically with the same name, I think you'll find.

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Doctor Who regenerates periodically with the same name, I think you'll find.

...and is generally quite entertaining 😯

See, you simply don't have anything intelligent with which to answer. Because you know you can't prove your own claims

i showed peer reviewed scientific studies. it's as intelligent as you can get.

but then you can prove any argument with facts.

Jeez. Whats happened to my thread 😯

My nan found the article but not the BEP version. Scan to follow.

Jeez. Whats happened to my thread

You're a liar, we all found out and now we're going to lynch you

@CharlieMungus

🙁

Here we go...

130 tonnes of cement in a day 😯

Basically we are a bunch of pansies now 😉

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Must remember to always have a camera to hand to take pictures of the monotonous, heavy, day to day lifting.
Still can't guarantee you a picture though Elfin, as I must admit it takes me two hands to carry such loads.

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...And this:

I used to hire men for heavy labouring in a limestone quarry where the temperatures in the bowl of the quarry were often 40 - 50º or higher (outback Queensland).
Erm, highest recorded temp in Australia is 50.7ºC. So again, exaggeration.

Mmmm, seeing as you are suggesting I'm a liar, how can I respond to this except to suggest you are displaying monumental ignorance of real life conditions in places you have never been, and obviously you have never worked with real men.

A limestone quarry is a white bowl and any time the sun shines into one, it is a lot hotter than the rest of its local environment, and as pointed out by someone else, temperatures are measured in the shade. These guys were not working in the shade.

EpicC. Don't dignify his prejudices with elaboration. The rest of us understand the conditions you were describing

Yeah Stoner, I realised after I posted that it will end up looking like 2 fools arguing. 🙂

When I were a lad...serving my apprenticeship as a plasterer in the early 80's.One of the rights of passage was being able to carry two bags at once.I mean you didn't,that was plain stupid, but you had to be able to,or continue to get the poo kicked out of you as the easiest target.That would have been at about 10 stone body weight.Plater was easier because it was looser in the bag, I would imagine coal would be similar.

C'mon be fair, Elfin was only playing. Now he has clearly lost the game, on so many levels, he will gracefully turn up and admit it.

Or invoke the Scottish defence....

that would be the [i]edinburgh defence[/i]

[i]scottish defence[/i] infers that there is a scot involved

* I fail *

Will this draw the righteous elf out from his lair? is the bait just too tempting to resist?

I used to hire men for heavy labouring in a limestone quarry where the temperatures in the bowl of the quarry were often 40 - 50º or higher (outback Queensland).
Erm, highest recorded temp in Australia is 50.7ºC. So again, exaggeration.

Official temperature record will have been measured in the shade. He may have been working in direct sunlight. I don't know for sure.

HTH

That 130 tons of cement a day claim...

Let's make that a 13 hour day, without breaks, to make the maths easier.
So that's 10 tons an hour.
One ton every 6 minutes, or 360 seconds.
1cwt every 18 seconds.

Then we get on to the 22 hour working day shifting coal and coke.
18s a night at 5d a ton.
It's not quite clear, but I think it means 18s each at 5d a ton between them.
So that's 54s/5d = 130 tons of coke loaded a night, or 43 tons each in 11 hours.
Approximately 1 ton every 15 minutes, or 1cwt every 45 seconds.

It's a nice story for a local paper to print.

MTG you've shattered the myth with your simple maths, you should be ashamed.

1cwt every 18 seconds.

Thus proving that he must've been able to carry 2 bags at a time 🙄

That 130 tons of cement a day claim...

TSY, how have I proved that he carried 2cwt every 36 seconds rather than 1cwt every 18 seconds ?

Richmars, good point, it could have been a one off challenge to see how much he could shift in a day, not a normal working day.
It still sounds like a lazy journalist reporting folklore as fact to me.

Well we don't know how far apart the boat and the store were... but if he couldn't carry 2 bags at a time he'd have to do a hell of a lot more trips between them?

Doing the journey evey 18 secs is insane... maybe he could carry 4 bags at once, which would allow him to have his nap at lunchtime.

Maybe he had a wheelbarrow.

Richmars, good point, it could have been a one off challenge to see how much he could shift in a day, not a normal working day.

Maths: Pass
English: Fail

It makes sense to me. Where have I gone wrong ?

It makes sense to me. Where have I gone wrong ?

In not recognising it first time.

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now, although "[i]he has carried 130 tons in a single day[/i]" rather than "[i]he once carried 130 tons in a single day[/i]" implies it happened more than once.

It still sounds more like folklore than an accurate historical record to me.

Actually 36 seconds is quite a long time. In my experience this sort of work would have entailed a sack coming down a chute onto the shoulders. At which point the labourer would have walked across a loading bank and onto the bed of the vehicle being loaded, dropped the sack and than walked back for the next one, say a total distance of between 4 and 10 metres at the very most or a top end average of 7 metres covered (all dependant on how the load was progressing). I'm pretty sure you can easily cover that distance in 18 seconds, and cover it in a very leasurely fashion in 36. So I'm not sure that the 130 tonnes figure is so unapproachable. It was definately the case that there was a real chance of injury through working like this and personally I'm very glad its gone in this country at least.

although "he has carried 130 tons in a single day" rather than "he once carried 130 tons in a single day" implies it happened more than once.

Really? I would disagree. If I said I have ridden the C2C in a single day. Would you think I had done it a few times?

I'd think you'd done the Sustrans route 🙄

The fact that it's an ambiguous statement, and it's folklore presented as news, is more important than whether I interpret the statement differently to you.

The fact that it's an ambiguous statement, and it's folklore presented as news, is more important than whether I interpret the statement differently to you

probably, but they are both so trivial that it's not worth arguing about. Let's just agree that I won and move on.

This is the internet, remember.
You don't seriously expect me to admit I was wrong do you ?
Especially when it was [b]you[/b] who was wrong in the first place.

You don't seriously expect me to admit I was wrong do you ?
Especially when it was you who was wrong in the first place

Of course not! I only expect you to agree that I won!

Sorry, I had no idea this was about winning.

You guys can wibble on all you like, I find it highly amusing as everyone can clearly see that I've won.

Here's a picture to prove my point...

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OK, you've won the being wrong contest.

Sorry, I had no idea this was about winning.

You guys can wibble on all you like, I find it highly amusing as everyone can clearly see that I've won.

Here's a picture to prove my point..

Hang on, I'l respond fully after I've watched that video till the end

OK, you've won the being wrong contest

By being write, obviously.

Although CharlieMungus has been wrong 130 times in a single day.

Hold on, I think it's nearly finished...

I don't see how that's possible... nobody can post 130 times in a single day 🙄