Like I say I'm not first aid trained so may be getting confused with my training.
I suspect the difference is that they consider you have sufficient knowledge to be able to assess these things yourself.
@molgrips - ok, we were discussing a kid's fall from a stool onto its head, surely context of the discussion can be taken into account or are do we have to add umptysquillion caveats to each point made?
Anyhoo - all parents should do the maths before deciding upon any course of action:
F s = 1/2 m v2
Where:
m = mass of the object/child (kg)
v = velocity of the object/child (m/s)
W = work done to slow the object/child (J)
F = slow down force (N)
s = slow down distance (m)
If the answer causes any parental consternation then head for A&E.
What would you have done
From what you have said...Nothing appart from give her a bid cuddle and double sized ice-cream and loads more cuddles for the rest of the day.
I wouldn't have rung the docs or gone to A&E.
PS - who gave your wife a "massive grilling" and why didn't you step in?
I suspect the difference is that they consider you have sufficient knowledge to be able to assess these things yourself.
You'd hope so but I thought first aid training didn't say always A&E, seems I may have been mistaken.
who gave your wife a "massive grilling" and why didn't you step in?
1 - The doctor, and;
2 - I was at home with her twin sister (my child's twin sister, not the doctors).
If the answer causes any parental consternation then head for A&E.
Congratulations on bunging up A&E with the hordes of maths-illiterate STWers 😉
Shib - reckon you're being a bit harsh there.
Not at all, the OP's post comes across as a pretty typical STW whinger who thinks he is somehow above being quizzed by a medical professional who is trained to look for signs of abuse and neglect. His wife's response, whilst not particularly comfortable viewing, would have been exactly what the interrogator was looking for, and I for one am glad to hear that they do subject people to robust questioning.
Personally, if it was me and I'd thought the injury was minor enough to ignore it in favour of a meal, and had there been no further deterioration, I wouldn't have bothered the NHS. The fact that he did probably prompted the hospital to put 2 and 2 together and come up with exactly the same conclusion as me: that he thought the meal was more important. Which, if it had been a serious injury, could be described as willful neglect.
So I think he should stop bleating on forums about how his wife was "almost" moved to tears and accept that the way his case was handled was a result of his actions.
I'd have gone to A&E like a shot
Would have quite happily sat there for hours waiting to be seen…. then would have patiently answered all the "grilling" questions.
“my fajitas were going cold.”
Yep … that’s the point …. Mexican is Dog Food.... would have done anything to get out of eating that meal, especially if with the MiL
I think that’s the question you should be asking yourself, in the cold light of the next day is…. Why did pay for that rubbish ??
Ah right so given that your wife was (understandably) on a bit of an emotional-edge already, the "massive grilling" was more likely to have been routine enquiring.
Glad the lil uns ok anyway, which is the main thing.
Ah right so given that your wife was (understandably) on a bit of an emotional-edge already, the "massive grilling" was more likely to have been routine enquiring.
Plus, I suspect alcohol may have been involved...
Not at all, the OP's post comes across as a pretty typical STW whinger who thinks he is somehow above being quizzed by a medical professional who is trained to look for signs of abuse and neglect.
Speak for yourself - it's not how it came across to me.
Nor me. If anything I'd say that accusing them of poor parenting, neglecting their children, and clogging up the NHS is more of a typical STW response!Speak for yourself - it's not how it came across to me.
Been there, got the T Shirt.
Not sure how an out of hours GP could do much, I'd have just gone to A&E but there you go. Important thing is she's OK.
Speak for yourself
Thank you. I generally do. 🙄
Thank you. I generally do
Your post comes across as the typical STW whinger who likes to find fault with someone just asking a question, as if you've never made a mistake in your whole life.
The OP invited my opinion... I obliged.
The OP invited my opinion... I obliged.
No, the OP asked you what you would've done. The clue is in the title.
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If the answer causes any parental consternation then head for A&E.
Congratulations on bunging up A&E with the hordes of maths-illiterate STWers
😆 Eek - can you imagine an A&E dept clogged with shy, retiring and generally meek souls from STW, none of whom would be offering conflicting advice to the medical staff/each other/passers by.... 😯
Personally, if it was me and I'd thought the injury was minor enough to ignore it in favour of a meal, and had there been no further deterioration, I wouldn't have bothered the NHS.
You've obviously not read my posts thoroughly ranus, so there's an edited highlight.
Not at all, the OP's post comes across as a pretty typical STW whinger
How do you think you are coming across on here and on this thread [ yes we know you dont care ] and for how you are writing it
I suspect alcohol may have been involved...
What you are drinking and you post this out of bravado , the Dr was pissed so they gave them a super grilling or the poor wee little lady was "tired and emotional"
You revel in doing this sort of stuff and it shows you for what you are
Its not hard to type nonsense and annoy folk so i never really understand why some folk have the need to do this...not enough cuddles as a child perhaps? Big bang to your head and you broke your empathy bone
You've obviously not read my posts thoroughly ranus, so there's an edited highlight.
He's read them fairly well. So in addition to suggesting what you'd done, you then add your own view on proceedings, not missing an opportunity for the sly "alcohol" dig there at the end (with added ellipse for some kind of effect).
So you didn't just offer a "what I would have done" scenario. Which is what ransos is saying.
shibboleth sounds like he would fit right in on mumsnet.
(with added [b]ellipse[/b] for some kind of effect).
It's an "ellipsis". Or an aposiopesis.
It's an "ellipsis". Or an aposiopesis.
Indeed. Thanks, I had a feeling there was something wrong about it as I wrote it down.
So, did you offer a "what I would have done" scenario or did you pepper it with your own unsympathetic views? Whassup? Photocopier sales down this month?
Photocopier sales figures are terrible... I haven't sold one all year. But then, I've never sold one anyway, so I've no idea why you would ask that. 🙄
I did offer an opinion as to what I would do - and I requoted it just a couple of posts ago.
But to be honest, this thread isn't really about "what we'd have done", is it. It's more about the OP trying to assuage his feelings of guilt and foolishness about the whole incident whilst we listen to him flipping the blame issue round to try and portray himself and his poor family as the badly done-to victims of some heavy-handed NHS rottweiler... Fact.
Plus, I suspect alcohol may have been involved...
No, she is too young to drink. Until she is 13 she is only allowed a Snowball at Christmas.
Seriously - I had had one glass of lime & lemonade, my wife had a glass of blackcurrant & water (that she didn't actually drink).
Good guess though.
If your kid falls over in a restuarant or the park, make sure they're covered in food or bark chippings when they arrive at hospital to avoid the grilling.
I wouldn't take a hungry child (or wife) to A&E - who knows how long you're going to be there?
Not sure how an out of hours GP could do much
We just wanted to speak to someone to get another opinion, which he gave us and we acted on.
But to be honest, this thread isn't really about "what we'd have done", is it. It's more about the OP trying to assuage his feelings of guilt and foolishness about the whole incident whilst we listen to him flipping the blame issue round to try and portray himself and his poor family as the badly done-to victims of some heavy-handed NHS rottweiler... Fact.
No it's not. Unless you're you.
Photocopier sales must indeed be bad this month...either that, or someone with a tattoo has upset you.
Seriously - I had had one glass of lime & lemonade, my wife had a glass of blackcurrant & water (that she didn't actually drink).
There's a chance for you to apologise and take your comment back. Will you be availing of this opportunity?
Good guess though.
Good point. A guess. Based on the same balance of probability that the hospital will have had: Parents take kids to restaurant, kid whacks head, parents choose to continue eating and/or drinking and/or being merry, and then when they've had enough, take the child to A&E.
Even now, we only have your word for it. In my experience (passed on to me by a Police Officer trained in interrogation), when people are lying, they tend to offer rather more detail than necessary without being prompted. Like naming exactly *what* soft drink they had, or even how much of it they imbibed.
So on that basis, and the basis that I don't know you or have any past experience of your integrity, I'm building a picture of a person that puts a meal before his child's health, and might be in denial about a drink problem.
Of course, you may simply be an unlucky victim of circumstance, but the picture that's painted to me is exactly the same as that painted to the A&E staff. Just saying.
of course he will now he knows he was way off the mark he will be faster than a speeding bullet to admit his error...just you wait and wait and wait
BTW Shib - the reason I was asking was because I was genuinely unsure about whether or not we acted correctly - we initially thought we were correct in handling it ourselves but then had doubts which were correctly founded. I was just trying to find out what others would do / have done in similar situations.
Next time she falls like that we will know better what to do I guess.
BTW Shib - the reason I was asking was because I was genuinely unsure about whether or not we acted correctly - we initially thought we were correct in handling it ourselves but then had doubts which were correctly founded. I was just trying to find out what others would do / have done in similar situations.
Next time she falls like that we will know better what to do I guess.
In my experience
So, it's actually not your experience at all.
but the picture that's painted to me is exactly the same as that painted to the A&E staff.
It seems however that the conclusions being jumped to are a bit different though.
why feed him? he[s] wants[/s] needs this reaction as no one could think as he does not even him - I know you can claim you do but really save us
OP you did what many would have done and your child is fine - could have been anasty bump that led to flawed thinking and need for notoriety
It seems however that the conclusions being jumped to are a bit different though.
Erm, no, clearly not the case. The A&E staff were obliged to consider all the facts available and form a judgment based on worst and best case scenario. They then acted accordingly and questioned Mrs. Doh in a robust manner.
They then acted accordingly and questioned Mrs. Doh in a robust manner.
However, no further action appears to have been taken. So, they obviously feel there's nothing to pursue. Whereas you...
EDIT:
...with only the conclusions to which you jumped at the OP and subsequent wrigglings appear to think it's more serious...than those who had the chance to grill the OP's partner.
But to be honest, this thread isn't really about "what we'd have done", is it.
Ah, so we can add mind-reading to your list of talents, along with a propensity to be mean to people you've never met, just so you can give your pressed slacks a satisfying rub.
However, no further action appears to have been taken. So, they obviously feel there's nothing to pursue. Whereas you...
As I mentioned earlier, I suspect their questioning elicited a satisfactory reaction from Mrs. Doh, even in her advanced state of inebriation... 😉
The A&E staff were obliged to consider all the facts available and form a judgment based on worst and best case scenario. They then acted accordingly and questioned Mrs. Doh in a robust manner.
you mean they followed procedure when faced with a head injury and asked some questions and from that they garnered facts then formed a judgement
they assumed nothing
When a copper asks someone after a crash if they have been drinking they are simply following procedures. Ditto here.
you leapt to conclusions that have so far been rather mean spirited, wrong and rather amusingly explained as you flounder
Good show old chap good show
Don't feed the troll.
Not. Worth. The. Effort.
At 2 my girl wacked her head had a minor fit and floppy stage. Wife was (understandably) panicked. We took 5 to decide what to do. She slowly returned to normal as you describe over a few mins happy giggling etc. Close eye all day and night but no trip to A+E.
At 4 she did same but was also incontinent and was also less responsive after a few mins. Trip to A+E. By the time we were seen she was fine and I could tell she was. Were pressed on circs of injury and answered politely and went home.
I work in healthcare dealing with these and similar situations and am comfortable with both decisions. I also think you did the right thing. You had concerns you're knowledge and experience couldn't answer. You went to seek the opinion of someone who did. Good parenting.
Making a huge assumption, from what you have said your comfortable with in terms of head injuries I wInteresting how this has prompted so few replies. I can swe why and I haven't replied for a while after seeing the op.ould've gone to A+E straight away.
Obviously I/we weren't there when doctor was over zealous making Mum feel bad but I'd add this. I deal with abuse and neglect. I'd rather over investigate 99 Mum's to save one child but personally I know that most of theparents or other carers will be innocent of any wrong doing and respect them as they desrve. This doesn't make this easyin every case for the carer however but I remain committed to the 1 in 100 or whatever the stat might be.
you mean they followed procedure when faced with a head injury and asked some questions and from that they garnered facts then formed a judgement
Yep, that's another way of wording pretty much exactly what I said. Was that ever in dispute? The problem seems to be that the OP thinks his wife should have been spared this probing on the basis that his mother-in-law's cousin's daughter's grandmother's god-daughter once went on a St. John's Ambulance course, or something... I forget. Anyway, what was the question?