What would a british revolution look like?

How far off this are we?

Miles. I could see some moderate civil unrest, like we saw in then environs of London, Manchester and some other cities a few years ago, but full on revolution. Nah, not seeing it.

what comes immediately after?

Mass burning of toasters and kettles?

Lots of unhappy folks queuing patiently waiting to moan 🤷‍♂️ Is the worst it will get

Think you're confusing movie plots for reality, can't really think of any revolutions that have benefitted the people in the long run, they're usually just another group of people who want power, and use the public as cannon fodder to get it.

Further we'll see is civil unrest, as stated above, probably in bigger cities, and end with the usual pathetic show of looting and burning down folks businesses and property.

Didn't work too badly for the French.

Miles. I could see some moderate civil unrest, like we saw in then environs of London, Manchester and some other cities a few years ago, but full on revolution. Nah, not seeing it.

This +1

We're halfway between general elections, what exactly would be your demands, another election?

Are you Donald Trump?

It might be just my circle of friends... but a British Revolution mostly looks like quietly relocating to another country. The alternative is just to accept the slow downward slide, like the rest of us, while quietly seething. Or, far, worse... blame immigrants, benefit claimants, the old, the young...

How far off this are we?

Miles.

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Plenty of regions in the UK have high levels of poverty already and they don't riot - they just suffer.

It's just in our collective nature.

There will be lots of tutting and eye rolling right up until the point where the last straw breaks the camels back and that internet petition is signed

Unfortunately Oswald Farage would be leading it .

I do feel that we could be heading for a repeat of the the Poll Tax riots if the Government doesn't come up with a plan to deal with the cost of living pretty damn sharpish.

What would a british revolution look like?

Just like the first line of your post! Loads of Insta memes and much grumbling on Facebook.

People can't be arsed to move of their sofas now so unless Deliveroo do a special 2 for 1 offer on 'Civil Unrest Direct to your Street +FREE! Molotov Cocktails' nothing will happen.

What Binners said. Maybe with an added fist shake and some mild expletives.

it would take a lot to rile up the british public to march on Parliament and raise it to the ground.

Bloody hell, are the houses of Parliament in the basement?

I see a lot of civil unrest and rioting ahead, but I reckon revolution needs a charismatic leader for people to coalesce around and I am not seeing anyone yet prepared to stick their head above the parapet. Who knows though. I feel that all the planets are aligning to something big (and d probably very unpleasant) in the near future.

There won't be a revolution

Look at some of the countries where things are really rough. It takes a lot more than this to push people to an actual revolution.

'but I reckon revolution needs a charismatic leader for people to coalesce around'

My time has come! stand with me comrades!

lets run, errr ride on parliament using bicycles.

Leaving the EU and then shipping refugees to Rwanda*

Optional tossing of virtual sausage rolls in the general direction of France**

*Box-ticking exercise
**Via a tabloid/social-media app to raise funds for fighting ‘woke’.

People can’t be arsed to move of their sofas now

On the other side of the street, people are working multiple jobs and their kids are sleeping on the sofa. Many people are far too stretched to get involved with protesting of any kind. And they are law abiding... at a time when the law is increasingly being turned against protesting.

revolution is more likely when one of the following 4 needs is not met for a prolonged period of time. Housing, Clothing, food & water and Security.

How far off this are we?

Not even anywhere close. Miles off.

Bloody hell, are the houses of Parliament in the basement?

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Remember a few years ago when people thought Russell Brand was going to lead a revolution? Ahh, simpler times.

Nothing will happen. People will whinge and moan and accept everything that comes their way.

A collective punch in the face to show them in charge, which was brexit. So it's already happened

*raze

I've always thought how could you raise something down. I guess I've never actually seen it written down. Anyway thanks for educating me though instead of just condescendingly taking the piss. 😋👏

So say we do march on Parliament and murder the monarch or some such, what comes immediately after? Serious question. Or any thoughts on the subject?

A revolution in the old fashioned sense is neither likely or desirable, but a revolution in how we think collectively is entirely possible. The root problem we have in the UK is that we are too individualist, and too envious. We only seem to care about ourselves and our direct peer group, and we get angry when we see others getting something 'for free', even if it is deserved or needed. Yet despite that we are often capable of enormous generosity, as this forum often demonstrates. If we can break free from the negative and destructive mindset that is imprinted on us by the media and our political leaders then we'll all be better off.

As to how to achieve that, well for a start we need to get rid of the tories. I don't just mean remove them from govt, but totally wipe them out like happened in '97. Secondly we need a labour party which is prepared to stand up to the media, political and financial establishment and bring in policies which redistributes wealth and rebuilds collective action and ownership. Then we need to strengthen non-govt organisations such as unions, cooperatives, community groups etc and give them real power. Do that and people will see that thinking collectively and cooperatively is much better than our current dystopian beggar-thy-neighbour approach to life. That doesn't seem very difficult or unachievable to me, but it's going to require a lot more than the labour party is currently offering.

but it’s going to require a lot more than the labour party is currently offering.

They have to get elected first, which is something they haven't seen very interested in for decades...

Great post Dazh. 👏🏼

Historically the LP's role has been to quell revolutionary fervour but I can't imagine anyone seriously thinking that Sir K will do anything but kowtow so leaders will have to come from elsewhere. I think a key factor is inspiring the young to act, they've been absolutely done over by university fees and loans, landlords, low pay and now energy costs. Britain does have a proud tradition of protest and revolt but people like to play it down with reference to couch potatoes etc. I expressed my solidarity with a postie this morning and he gave a clenched fist, first time in my many years that that happened.

They have to get elected first, which is something they haven’t seen very interested in for decades…

Chicken and egg. You won't get elected if you don't offer a real alternative. All the labour party offer at the moment is 'we're not called the conservative party'.

Chicken and egg. You won’t get elected if you don’t offer a real alternative.

Didn't work out very well for Corbyn...

Anyway, we digress - there are plenty of Labour party threads already.

I've just ordered a pitch fork and burning torch from Amazon.

It might be just my circle of friends… but a British Revolution mostly looks like quietly relocating to another country.

I've had a lot of friends seriously asking about options and such for getting into Scandinavia, or art least a check list of "how to leave the country", unfortunately it's a LOT harder than it was when i moved.

Another brexit bonus.

Remember a few years ago when people thought Russell Brand was going to lead a revolution? Ahh, simpler times.

Russell Brand couldn't lead a conga line.

Russell Grant would probably be more effective *checks to see if Russell Grant is dead*

I’ve just ordered a pitch fork and burning torch from Amazon.

I was going to, but I can't afford the fuel to light it.

Didn’t work out very well for Corbyn…

I think it would be different if he were the candidate in an election held in say, March.

Another brexit bonus.

The other thing we have to do is stop harping on about bloody brexit. The UK was f**** long before 2016. EU membership might have taken off some of the rough edges and presented the illusion that we lived in a civilised society, but that's only because we weren't looking properly.

Problem is that the worst off probably voted for these idiots and are too proud to admit they were wrong.

Been there, done that. Executed the King, decided the new ruler was worse, brought the King's son back to be the new king.
Not going through that again.
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Why is it referred to as the English Civil war? He was King of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and there was fighting all over the realm?

Haven't we had one?

Wasn't there a vote on a stupid idea that went against everyone's expectations by a landslide of 2%?

Now six years later the toffs lynch their own leader every 24 months (but somehow remain in power), cheese and sausages can't move across borders and punching down on the poor is the new national sport...

I was going to, but I can’t afford the fuel to light it.

I've got a few solar powered LED ones in the garden. Will that have the same effect?

Problem is that the worst off probably voted for these idiots and are too proud to admit they were wrong.

No the worst off just didn't vote, largely because they correctly concluded that no political party was interested in pulling them out of poverty. See my comment above about not caring about and engaging with those outside of our peer groups. That's exactly what you're doing with this post.

The other thing we have to do is stop harping on about bloody brexit.

We need to stop asking people to ignore the utter ****up that is Brexit just because it's not the only self imposed restraint on this being a better country for those that live here. Brexit is strangling small and medium sized businesses up and down the UK. And that is hitting people. Yes, much of what is wrong here predates Brexit... but the fact that Brexit makes everything worse AND has been sold as a positive revolution of sorts is a major problem. People voted for Brexit and it's given them what? **** all. So, now how do you motivate these people to vote in their own interests in future? The failure of Brexit to deliver anything of substance to people will just turn them away from the political system... and that includes protest and active involvement, not just voting.

Other than some chavs looting JD sports, what do you expect to actually happen? Go on a march?

Cast your mind back a couple of decades to around the millennium. Around a million folk marched to stop the war in Iraq / Afghanistan.

Obviously that had a massive impact on the course of events...