Meeting with Quilliam? Leaving the EDL?
Should we care what he does?
He's reforming the band apparently
"2-4-6-8......"
I don't think he's up to anything. The view's he just expressed on Newsnight are pretty consistent with other times I've heard him be interviewed. He's always struck me as quite reasonable (that's not to say I agree with him, but he's never struck me as a racist nutter). Unfortunately I suspect a large proportion of EDL have maybe put less thought into their views.
Ha! There was a reason for my phrase in brackets Breggie. Still couldn't resist bizzyin' around though. 😀
I suspect he has met a few of these in the EDL, and wonders when they are waiting in his:
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Unfortunately I suspect a large proportion of EDL have maybe put less thought into their views.
😕 The EDL organises piss ups for young male bigots who fancy a ruck. That's what they do. How much "thought into their views" would you expect them to make ?
I have no expectations of them ernie.
deadlydarcy - MemberMeeting with Quilliam? Leaving the EDL?
he's on a journey with others from different backgrounds
Should we care what he does?
probably a lot more than we should care what Owen Jones does
he managed to crystallize the views of many and mobilise them on to the streets, his problem was that he attracted people who he says have views he can't/ won't be associated with (racists and Nazi's)
probably a lot more than we should care what Owen Jones does
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I think he should stick to 'Time Team'.
AFAIK he has non white friends & IIRC he set it up to express his views to incorporate Briton as it stood at the time & include all creeds/races as he couldn't take his non white mates to other [s]racist[/s] events, & to defend it from what he saw as a threatening future.
Now I know that statement just made me look like a bigot, but I'm not, I hate all politics & I really don't care to much for our standpoint in Europe, I would just like a better standard of living & for all the money I have to give to the government to be spent on things other than scroungers, I never signed up to be a humanitarian & I don't wish to become one.
Sorry.
his problem was that he attracted people who he says have views he can't/ won't be associated with (racists and Nazi's)
How do you think he's managed to attract racists and Nazis ?
Because the BNP were a bit too wishy-washy liberal?
Moving into main stream politics maybe?
Ukip?
He's up to something.
How do you think he's managed to attract racists and Nazis ?
extremist people/groups tag on to groups who can provide them an excuse for a fight, a bit like the anti Nazi groups who counter protest the EDL demo, who have groups turning up to their demonstrations to fight the Nazi's tagged on original demo.
what is your theory?
what is your theory?
Well I haven't had time to develop a theory yet as you've only just mentioned that the EDL attracts racists and Nazis. I hadn't really thought about it but I guess the EDL must fit in nicely with their views. Otherwise I don't think racists and Nazis would be attracted to them.
Well I haven't had time to develop a theory yet as you've only just mentioned that the EDL attracts racists and Nazis. I hadn't really thought about it but I guess the EDL must fit in nicely with their views. Otherwise I don't think racists and Nazis would be attracted to them.
what's your theory for the violent groups attracted by "anti" demonstrations?
IanMunro - Member
He's always struck me as quite reasonable
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Searchlight magazine identified the "Tommy Robinson" involved with the EDL as Lennon, and reported that he had served a twelve-month prison sentence for assaulting an off-duty police officer who had intervened to stop a domestic incident between Lennon and his partner Jenna Vowles. He has been convicted for drug offences, and in 2005 for assault.On 24 August 2010, Robinson was involved in a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton, on the evening the two clubs played at Kenilworth Road. Lennon reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting the 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". Eleven months later, in July 2011, he was convicted of having used "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" on the night of the incident. He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order and a three-year ban from attending football matches. He was also sentenced to 150 hours' unpaid work, and ordered to pay £650 in costs.
On 29 September 2011 he was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.
On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest against the ban on wearing a poppy for the England team on the rooftop of the FIFA building in Zurich. He was fined £3000 and jailed for three days.
On 28 November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by false representation in relation to a mortgage application.
On 7 January 2013 Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport—"possession of a false identity document with improper intention"—to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced to 10 months imprisonment. He was sentenced under the name of Stephen Lennon, but the judge added that he suspected it was not his true name, in the sense that it was not the name on his own passport (not the borrowed one), Paul Harris. Robinson was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013.
The EDL attracts racists just like the MDL attracts extremists and so on...
About 4 years ago I went to the Preston demonstration with a few lads I used to knock about with. The only trouble that kicked off that day was when a scuffle broke out towards the area they were giving a speech due to Tommy and a fair few others handing a group of about 20 lads over to the police due to them throwing nazi salutes.
Apart from that I didn't see any violence and racism just a lot of people agreeing with the points Tommy and the others were making, which weren't racist although I'm prepared for most of you to tell me they are.
big_n_daft - Member
what's your theory for the violent groups attracted by "anti" demonstrations?
They don't like a bunch of bussed-in pissed up racist thugs marching round* their towns?
*smashing up
The word of the day is evidently 'Revisionist'.
Apart from that I didn't see any violence and racism just a lot of people agreeing with the points Tommy and the others were making, which weren't racist although I'm prepared for most of you to tell me they are.
What points?
what's your theory for the violent groups attracted by "anti" demonstrations?
That they don't like racists and Nazis ?
Lifer - MemberThey don't like a bunch of bussed-in pissed up racist thugs marching round* their towns?
*smashing up
that will make it perfectly justifiable and acceptable conduct in a open democracy then.
or are both groups just different sides of the same coin?
The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights.
So which bit of that isn't racist?
That they don't like racists and Nazis ?
LOL, What about the fact that they have 'members' who are equally as racist as the minority of the racists in the EDL?
According to the Qur'an, What that says is true though, Ain't it?
According to the Qur'an, What that says is true though, Ain't it?
No.
And "forced" to live alongside Islam?
LOL, What about the fact that they have 'members' who are equally as racist as the minority of the racists in the EDL?
So the counter demonstrators are also racist ?
Gosh this is getting confusing.
Can't wait for this one...
A lot of them are yes, believe it or not. Unless if shouting 'white bast*rds' and so on, is not racist?
And yeah 'forced' as in, there was no choice in the matter for someone who didn't want to?
And yeah 'forced' as in, there was no choice in the matter for someone who didn't want to?
So not racist, just don't want to live next door to a Muslim?
Maybe they don't agree with what the religion stands for/preaches?
What does Islam stand for?
So let me get this right........racists are attracted to the anti-racist counter demonstrations because they don't like racists ?
Lifer, You posting that video is just the same as me posting this?
I would just like a better standard of living & for all the money I have to give to the government to be spent on things other than scroungers, I never signed up to be a humanitarian & I don't wish to become one.
*sigh*
Yet again - the proportion of the total benefits bill that goes to 'scroungers' is very small (most goes to pensioners and those in work), and unless you earn over about £45,000 a year chances are you are a net beneficiary not a contributor.
And I imagine your standard of living is pretty good - what with living in the 7th richest country in the world and all.
I thought STW was supposed to be full of 'lefties' - surprising amount of support for racist football hooligans on here.
Read the Qua'rn if you wish to know.
So if I disagree with something my neighbour believes (or my skewed idea of what he believes) I'm being forced to live alongside him?
No no, you're racist. Unless he's the same skin colour...
Read the Qua'rn if you wish to know.
The Bible is full of some pretty nasty stuff too - that doesn't mean every Christian believes every word in it.
So which bit of that isn't racist?
Islam is a faith that crosses the boundaries of race and as such is hard to define within that context. It has both people who are "born" into the faith in many countries and converts often from white western backgrounds.
Islam itself has more than one interpretation which coupled with old (potentially pre-Islam) sectarian divisions leads Muslims to kill Muslim's in horrific numbers (currently 1000/ mth in Iraq currently)
What makes you think I agree with Christianity?
And what makes you think I disagree with Islam?
You STWers are quick to jump down peoples throats.
