C'mon, Molgrips. I know you're reading this and want to weigh in.
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Jamie today...
want to weigh in
That's Weight Watchers.
Japanese PoW diet is pretty effective for fast weight loss.
Restricted portions and hard work. Effective on all participants.
Amazed no-one has commercialised it.
Day 2: Minging headache last night. Sat on my sofa fantacising about a large glass of Vimto, or a nice fizzy Coka Zero. Substituted these for a diet water.
Hooray.
Fat burning diets need a high water intake. I reckon you are dehydrated.
Consistency is the key to sustainable results.
Indeed. Make the change and make it permanent.
[quote=The Southern Yeti ]There are a load of Keto-athletes showing how this is done
Who are these keto-gods?
My guess is that if it works for anyone then it's limited to ultra-running and endurance swimming... basically only events where the individual dictates the pace and maintains efforts well below threshold.
I believe the Scottish Enduro Series masters champion follows a ketogenic diet
So we have one then?
Day 2: Minging headache last night.
This is very common when becoming fat adapted.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects
[quote=mikewsmith ]So we have one then?
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THe simplest of internet searches reveals lots more but the statement was
My guess is that if it works for anyone then it's limited to ultra-running and endurance swimming...
and I only needed to mention 1 to prove TSY wrong 8)
*mutters under breath about niche athletes*
Fair play sir, and in a sport that requires some explosive power too.
The stuff I've read (and is what comes up with a simple search) shows if anything a decline in performance for highly trained athletes by following a keto diet.
Maybe he could be British Champ with carbs?
[quote=The Southern Yeti ]*mutters under breath about niche athletes*
Fair play sir, and in a sport that requires some explosive power too.
The stuff I've read (and is what comes up with a simple search) shows if anything a decline in performance for highly trained athletes by following a keto diet.
Maybe he could be British Champ with carbs?
I'll put my hand up and say I'm not clued up, but I listen to a lot of podcasts where it's being talked about. There's something there but the jury will still be out on the suitability across all sport and the long term impact
The Southern YetiMaybe he could be British Champ with carbs?
People on low carb diets can and some do take carbs strategically when they might need them. Apparently those on low carb diets will respond better to carbs when they are introduced to them they would on a "normal" diet.
Anyway, for examples of high level athletes on low carb and ketogenic diets you can look at mixed martial artists, probably the most complex set of demands you could ever put on the body. Due to weight categories and weight cutting being prevalent in mma ketogenic/low carb diets are now very common to allow athletes to lose as much body fat as possible prior to the fight.
But really, unless you're an elite athlete don't worry about elite athletes.
There's something there but the jury will still be out on the suitability across all sport and the long term impact
The point really being is it delivering a boost to performance or are people just managing to get along with it.
Sounds like carb-cycling / periodisation of nutrition for the MMA fellas. Bit like training in a sauna to lose weight for boxing weigh ins.
But you're right,
this is a total digression.unless you're an elite athlete don't worry about elite athletes
The Southern YetiSounds like carb-cycling / periodisation of nutrition for the MMA fellas.
Somewhat, but a lot are sticking to low carb diets year round to remain relatively lean, then going ketogenic during the 8-10 week prep for a fight to get super lean (and of course they lose water weight too). So they certainly train incredibly hard on low carb diets.
this is a total digression.
Is the thread which diet is best for elite world class athletes?
Is the thread which diet is best for elite world class athletes?
Hence why I agreed it was a digression. Maybe it should be about that now...
You got any links to the MMA stuff? Sounds more interesting than talking about Atkins any more.
The Southern YetiYou got any links to the MMA stuff? Sounds more interesting than talking about Atkins any more.
Nope, sorry. But if you google there are dozens of rabbit holes you can go down. Through social media and promo vlogs etc you can see what an awful lot of these guys are eating and low carb / ketogenic staples seem to constitute the vast majority of their meals. A number of trainers and dieticians have spoken about it at length too but most stop short of labeling it low carb/ketogenic probably because they don't want to be perceived as just copy and paste merchants.
Weighed myself at the GP clinic this morning. Yup. Currently heaviest ever. Im genuinely too embarrassed to even fess up.
On a positive note, hunger pangs have been flat for last 24hrs - I already feel like I can sustain this for the forseeable.
Breath is currently only as stinky as usual too.
Through social media and promo vlogs etc you can see what an awful lot of these guys are eating and low carb / ketogenic
Just Rogan, innit? (onnit?)
If I remember right, [url=
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Which obviously proves nothing, but only fighter I remember to adopt LCHF during training camp.
Yep, I've read a couple of things about how badly many fighters fare on LCHF type diets, particularly around the time when they're trying to cut for a fight.
Perhaps adopting an LCHF diet doesn't really change their bodies requirement for carbohydrate as a fuel for explosive movement?
I imagine those that generally claim something akin to LCHF are fueling around exercise like on the iDiet.
JamieIf I remember right, Miesha Tate went on the keto diet, then got steamrolled by Nunes at UFC 200.
There's no diet in the world that'll prevent you going unconscious when a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu black belt is choking you 😉
Plenty of others appear to be on lchf diets but don't call it that as they're obviously just eating what they are told. I woudn't put much credit in in fight performance, the day to day training will actually be as hard if not significantly harder.
I personally had no problems 1-2hrs of grappling while on a ketogenic diet.
I don't mind digression, but I draw the line at UFC.
KFC, maybe.
Just take the batter off.
slimjim78I don't mind digression, but I draw the line at UFC.
KFC, maybe.
Back in your box fattie 🙂 . Once you release a thread into the wild it's no longer yours.
-6lb for the week.
Recurring headaches have eased, a good long dog walk across the Downs yesterday fuelled by nothing but water - no dizziness, no blood sugar crash, no appauling fatigue after.
Am craving sweet things in the sense that if I were allowed, I would eat my fill - but the lack of general hunger means i'm already having to remind myself to eat regularly.
Ketostix confirmed I am pissing out 99% pure nail varnish.
Weirdly, am feeling a bit more spring in my step - slightly fewer aches and pains in the morning. Certainly wasnt banking on that so soon.
Shall report back when I hit my first real target... (in 60 lbs time)
Wish me luck.
-6lb for the week.
Recurring headaches have eased, a good long dog walk across the Downs yesterday fuelled by nothing but water - no dizziness, no blood sugar crash, no appauling fatigue.
Well done, well maybe. Sounds like you are putting yourself though a lot there.
Would still say the same can be achieved by a good balanced calorie controlled diet with a sensible amount of carbs.....
Would still say the same can be achieved by a good balanced calorie controlled diet with a sensible amount of carbs
Thanks. I think you're right. I'm just really keen to acheive the best results in the short/mid term before I switch out to a more palatable sustained balanced diet.
In the past I acheived a 5 stone weight loss over 18months with a calorie controlled diet - I created a big daily spreadsheet that kept me determined not to lapse. Trouble is, i've tried the same method again a couple of times over the last couple years and only managed a month or so before caving.
In my current state i've been strguggling to summon up any stamina to ride my bike at all - especially in the evenings. I also got to the point where my current wearable wardrobe consists of about 6 items..
Work trousers already feel a little less restrictive.
Rib-eye steak with lashings of butter, salt & pepper does not feel like a hardship.
Excellent work . I've now been sugar,dairy,wheat and fruit free for 3 weeks. Cravings have gone and feeling a bit better (but feel it's a long road ahead because of my post viral fatigue)
I've lost 4kg and I've got the flattest stomach i've ever had
Rib-eye steak with lashings of butter, salt & pepper does not feel like a hardship.
Hmm had some colleagues who did that... removing carbs and not cutting out lashings of butter etc. never ended well.
Welcome to Moderation my friend, if it was easy everyone would manage it.
Welcome to Moderation my friend, if it was easy everyone would manage it.
it's easier to manage on a LCHF diet. Carbs make you want to eat more carbs. Eating higher fat content blunts hunger and makes you feel fuller.
(in my experience of course)
I would counter that my diet is now extremely moderate..
I actually dreamt about forgetting I was on Atkins and eating a handful of sweets. Man they tasted Soooo good.
Picking up fresh loaves of bread to merely sniff them, eyeballing each and every food label for carb content, hankering after the sweet taste of a measly carrot, and preparing the next chicken salad.
This is my life now.
The stuff I've read (and is what comes up with a simple search) shows if anything a decline in performance for highly trained athletes by following a keto diet.
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Seems its great for endurance runners and fat oxidization can occur up to 90%
so following my Monday morning weigh in at the health center, thats now -11lb for the first 2 weeks.
Cripes!
Although we booked tickets for a gig in Amsterdam this April and the only thing initially holding us back is the thought of no pancakes, no FEBO croquettes, no Shwarma's, no hot chocolate with my biffa. In fact, it'll probably be tricky to find a good balance in any of the local eateries.
It's going to be torture isn't it.
No, just take the weekend off, try to limit the damage, and start again on the Monday.
Sorry to dredge this thread up, but if one were experimenting with a few weeks of low carb high fat diet... what the hell do you eat on really long rides to stay fuelled?
TBH I'm thinking of stopping at a pub for a burger and leaving the bun on the side. Searching for useful recipes for the LCHF equivalent of Torq bars is pretty fruitless (ha!). But then perhaps the point is that I won't really need refuelling as much because I have plenty of fat reserves...
what the hell do you eat on really long rides to stay fuelled?
Baked eggs, frittatas, sweetcorn and feta fritters, granola, nuts, peanut butter wraps etc.
Try and get a copy of feedzone portables - there's loads of reduced carb snack ideas in there (and plenty of high carb ones too).
I make some low carb flapjacks, bound with coconut oil rather than fat. If you've been ultra low-carb for a while, you'll also find you are accessing body fat as fuel, so a long steady ride will be fine. I've done 100km with no food, whilst on my 800 Kcal no carb 8 week diet.
If you want something for your back pocket as emergency, also try Grenade Carb Killer bars.
As long as you are eating your 5 (or 10) a day then thats what matters
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-news-latest-food-advice-fruit-vegetables-five-a-day-10-portions-a7594631.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316055.php
For anyone contemplating Atkins/HFLC - I am now convinced on its virtues - my energy levels are up, morning aches and pains significantly reduced and even my 4 year bout of fingertip eczema (yes, fingertip) has virtually disappeared in the 2 and a bit weeks I've been on the plan.
I can only put this down to the 'inflammatory reduction' that I've read elsewhere is related to sugars and grains.
Sustaining higher intensity exercise is certainly a challenge, however. But the way the weight is dropping of me I should be able to counter that negative aspect within a few weeks/months.
Ah science in full flow 😉
4 week weigh in this morning.
-7.5kg / 16.6lb lost so far.
Happy with that.
Eating less and losing weight?
Science in action.
