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As much as I hate it also, the "decision" has been made and the government have a duty to uphold that. Democracy fails if the losing minority cannot accept the result.
If remain had won, how would you feel if that decision was overruled?
EDIT: if it can be proved as ill-informed, then great - but doubt that will happen now, sadly.
If remain had won, how would you feel if that decision was overruled?
by another ref?
thatd just be more democracy, right?
If Tim Martin is happy to downgrade the country coz he doesnt like foreigners, then bully for him
personally I wont be going in one of his pubs again, tho as I said b4 the one nearest me is fairly horrible anyway!
if it can be proved as ill-informed, then great – but doubt that will happen now, sadly
Would you like that on the side of a bus 😉
In all seriousness, I'm relaxed about the final outcome, most of the income of the company I work for comes from countries where our trade agreements/non-agreements are outside of the EU. So other than fun holidays and a devaluation of the pound, I'm unlikely to be seriously affected - and even if it all goes properly to shit I can claim my salary in US dollars...
This doesn't stop me being seriously pissed off by the numpties who voted for it (come on, look at what the EU did to greece/spain/italy, then look at the quality of our "negotiators" and think they won't do the same to us??) And the second they piss/moan about it, I will point out that whatever they're pissing and moaning about is exactly what they voted for.
So much anger, have a pint. And as you are all worried about the costs of Brexit, maybe save a bit by having it at a Weatherspoons.
So much anger, have a pint.
That isn't good advice for a healthy relationship with alcohol.
You can have a cheap beer at home. If you go to a pub, it's not just for beer, it's for mixing with people and enjoying the location.
esselgruntfuttock
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How can you spout so much hate against a political belief/stance/view?
Because I work with teenagers who already had a shit enough time of it ahead compared to my generation and the generation before without having their country driven off a cliff. Some of them weren't even allowed to vote on it but they'll have to live in it for longer than most of us will. Brexit will make us all worse off- less money, less opportunities. Hate is too strong a word for how I feel, I'm a pretty mellow guy, but pretty extreme dislike is appropriate. About the same level as I felt for that dude that broke into my garage.
You can get the jail for vandalism, you're not going to get away scot free for vandalising an entire country.
BTW Tim Martin does not hate foreigners. he employs alot of them in his pubs . OK so it might be £7.50 an hour but there are hundreds of JDW staff who do not have a GB passport
I think this is part of the problem with Brexit - and it started when the media started defining people as either leavers or remainers . It is a recipe for divisiveness. Most discussions about it very quickly reach the point where reason goes out the window. It’s a sad state of affairs in a country where previously people, by and large, used to get along...
BTW Tim Martin does not hate foreigners. he employs alot of them in his pubs .
Which asks questions about his business judgement. Many of his staff will likely be asked to depart the country. There'll be no swift pint in 'Spoons if that happens.
Which asks questions about his business judgement.
Nah he is working on the theory that his fellow elites are all quite keen on the free movement of labour (not necessarily two way) so he will continue to get staff. His opposition is the vague "democracy" thing which I think in his case translates to getting rid of tedious rules and regulations.
Many of his staff will likely be asked to depart the country. There’ll be no swift pint in ‘Spoons if that happens.
No they won't.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/home-affairs/immigration/eu-citizens-in-the-uk-and-a-no-deal-brexit/
Well, I had a splendid bike ride this morning, drifting and splashing my way around. Maybe that was why I was a bit crotchety yesterday - a nice ride always clears the head a bit and I usually go on a Saturday morning.
Yesterday I got well out of line and was rightly pulled up on it. Being described as ‘vile’ stung me and, although it took a while, I realised that this was a valuable wake up call. Now, feeling refreshed after a ride, I can see how far I had sunk into spouting hateful words. Effectively doing the very thing that runs counter to the campaign to remain in the EU. In short, not living by the positive values that go hand in hand with that campaign:
Inclusivity.
Internationalist.
Facing the future and not fearing change.
And most importantly (and the one I fell well short of):
Hope not Hate.
So, I am going to stop the mudslinging from a keyboard, and put my efforts much more positively into the campaign to remain. I’m a bit giddy about it, as I have never really gone in for any kind of political activism, and I’m sure it won’t be easy. But struggling for a positive good is always worthwhile and much more rewarding than sitting back and sniping at the other side. After all, if we do achieve the goal of staying in the EU it will be much harder to build bridges with people who were on the other side if all I have done is insult them!
Sorry to anyone who felt insulted by my posts, and that is a genuine apology as it was (wrongly) my intention to be insulting at times.
Thanks for setting me straight and giving me a new sense of purpose guys.
Good to hear dannyh and big of you to say so too.I'll retract my cryptofascist slur about you now 🙂
See you in the pub dannyh 😉
Fair play 👍
Fair play
+1
In the same spirit I'll refrain from commenting on the "leave means leave" march thread.