That's it chew, you tell me what I think....seems to be what youse are good at, thinking for silent majorities.
Going by last night in Glasgow I can understand why you hold them in such contempt mind.
BTW what I actually take from it is that pensions is where it was lost. It was allowed to put doubt in the minds of pensioners that their pensions would go down. Instead of highlighting the pittance they actually get.
The media had an agenda on this and from now on I'll assume they have an agenda on everything else.
Don't want to be patronising but that's a given, surely? No-one sets up a newspaper because they want to inform people... it's about power and control of information. Media's always been like that.
Read Hack Attack by Nick Davies about the NOTW caper if you want to understand just how agenda/commerce driven all our media owners are and see that you basically can't trust any of the mainstream media sources... but have hope that social media is taking that power away.
Worth reading George Orwell 1984 too if you want to understand how propaganda works
That's it chew, you tell me what I think
Well if you could clearly articulate what you do think, I wont have to 😉
Unknown, if you don't like the BBC bias then stop paying for it. Amazed at the number of people who complain about it yet still fork out with a monthly direct debit.
what I actually take from it is that pensions is where it was lost. It was allowed to put doubt in the minds of pensioners that their pensions would go down.
Maybe these folk have been around long enough to spot when someones spouting off BS, whereas the youngsters are more easily led?
Maybe these folk have been around long enough to spot when someones spouting off BS, whereas the youngsters are more easily lead?
Maybe they've had any sense of ambition and freedom of mind sucked out of them by being exposed to Westminster longer than anyone else.
I was wrong, it was university of west of Scotland. Still on the first page of Google for "Glasgow caley BBC bias" though.
[url= https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/john-robertson/bbc-bias-and-scots-referendum-new-report ]link[/url]
Feel free to ignore everything else I wrote though.
I'd love to stop paying for it but unfortunately I'll legally obliged to pay for our "fair and impartial" state broadcaster.
Of course I've always been aware that papers and channels put their own slant on things but these past months it's been so stark that I've been shocked. The BBC is the really disappointing one.
Maybe they've had any sense of ambition and freedom of mind sucked out of them by being exposed to Westminster longer than anyone else.
These are the people who have shaped Westminster into how it is now. If they didnt like it they've had long enough to change it.
legally obliged aye, in reality they've no power to do much about non payment.unknown - MemberI'd love to stop paying for it but unfortunately I'll legally obliged to pay for our "fair and impartial" state broadcaster
Stop paying for it.
apologies for giving you too much credit. 😉Chew - Member
That's it chew, you tell me what I thinkWell if you could clearly articulate what you do think, I wont have to
I was wrong, it was university of west of Scotland. Still on the first page of Google for "Glasgow caley BBC bias" though.
linkFeel free to ignore everything else I wrote though.
Research from over a year ago however..
I think there's a fair bit of deliberate misunderstanding going on here. It's at least as reasonable to assume that the next 65+ generation will hold onto their current views as it is to assume they'll feel the same as the current 65+ generation.
Blimey, if the losing is this bad at 55:45 imagine what we would be subjected to if it was really close.
(In addition to experience, I would imagine that the 65+ folk could see through the pension BS)
Research specifically on the referendum coverage and given the BBC denied bias as the time, reasonable to assume their editorial policy went unchanged.
The other point to remember is that in 10-15 years time there will be 10-15 years less oil to use...and that was largely what this was about. I suspect by that stage the possiblity that the North Sea won't be proving quite so valuable might influence a few votes in the future.
It's true, you can't trust the media....
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/glasgow-riots-dishonest-social-media-users-accused-of-fuelling-panic-with-pictures-from-london-riots-9745736.html ]including 'social' media[/url] 😉
Blimey, if the losing is this bad at 55:45 imagine what we would be subjected to if it was really close.
Yes, remind me which side lost the democratic vote. I think it was the one who shouted the loudest. They still haven't stopped.
Blimey, if the losing is this bad at 55:45 imagine what we would be subjected to if it was really close.
With respect, I've accepted the result but what I'm saying is my eyes have been opened to the influence of the media. That has wider implications for all of us.
Are you just going to make jibes or will you address the points I've made on BBC bias?
Empty vessels......
I have addressed them here and before, and with respect, have chosen to disagree.
In the context of a campaign of completed deceit and lies, it's not even the central point.
Comparing live coverage on CH4 news with what was being suggested on here last night, told me quite enough about bias.
I wonder if you'll see things the same way when the bias doesn't happen to agree with you.
It's at least as reasonable to assume that the next 65+ generation will hold onto their current views as it is to assume they'll feel the same as the current 65+ generation
Absolutely, but from that all you're saying is that people may change or they may not.
Without putting words into Seosamh's mouth, he was inferring that people wont change there mind.
I was suggesting that as people get older they become more risk adverse and so you'd see the same demographic trends and people would change there mind.
We could both be wrong.
Study history and you learn to understand and live with bias. It's pretty simple.
Agreed, my point was that's it's foolish to simply assume seosamh is wrong and disingenuous to pretend not to understand him.
Edit, reply was to chew.
Study history and you learn to understand and live with bias. It's pretty simple.
You won't have to live with it, the BBC isn't biased remember?
It's true, you can't trust the media....
including 'social' media
A mainstream news outlet which is losing money and influence because of social media, putting out a story suggesting social media can be manipulated. Never 🙂
Then again, in the list of cognitive biases in Wikipedia is this gem 🙂
Hostile media effect: The tendency to see a media report as being biased, owing to one's own strong partisan views.
Agreed, my point was that's it's foolish to simply assume seosamh is wrong and disingenuous to pretend not to understand him.
I do understand, I just dont agree. Theres a big difference.
We all understood what AS was saying, we just didnt agree. Everyones free to express their opinion. It doesnt mean i have to support it.
You can't have it both ways.
Either the SNP and AS in particular masterminded the cornering of Westminster, forcing the offer of Devo Max (which in all likelihood will amount to hot air) or... they failed to convince the Scotch public of the benefits of independence, against a woefully inept BT campaign.
A pending or already established failure.
Your (UK resident) ancestors will shake their heads in disbelief.
On a few points. If you think Scotland doesn't contribute more than it takes from the UK your deluded. If main stream media doesn't influence voters then your crazy! Fear is a very powerful tool and it was the main one in the no campaign.
I'm not too clued up on Welsh politics, but anyone who wants the best for their country would want to run there own affairs in my point of view. External control has proven time and again that it is not in the controlled nations best interests.
As for the BBC, I will never buy a licence in my life again. If I don't like a product or information I should have the choice not buy it. I hate there agenda on current and foreign affairs. The only way to get them to notice that the public have a voice is to hit them financially. No other private company can be enforced they way they can! Why is that hmmm....
BTW what I actually take from it is that pensions is where it was lost.
Which might be a valid point if it wasn't that your figures were wrong and the under 65s actually voted No. As I showed up there - is everybody ignoring it due to too many numbers?
If I don't like a product or information I should have the choice not buy it.
You already have that choice. I assume you'll never consume any of their output ever again?
If you think Scotland doesn't contribute more than it takes from the UK your deluded.
...and there we have it. Even Yes supporters think the Scottish Government is deluded
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888
is everybody ignoring it due to too many numbers
I tend to ignore your posts irrespective of numbers
HTH
On a few points. If you think Scotland doesn't contribute more than it takes from the UK your deluded.
They looked at this on More Or Less (but of course that's on the BBC so can't be believed) - their conclusion? It depends how you look at it.
It's possible there's a slight flow of money from Scotland but it's not really significant if it exists at all.
I tend to ignore your posts irrespective of numbers
HTH
Bit uncalled for.
aracer - Member
BTW what I actually take from it is that pensions is where it was lost.
Which might be a valid point if it wasn't that your figures were wrong and the under 65s actually voted No. As I showed up there - is everybody ignoring it due to too many numbers?
You are actually correct. Its if you count the over 55s. I obviously picked that up wrong.
Which I don't think invalidates my points about pensions and media.
This point concerning over 55 pensioners?
It was allowed to put doubt in the minds of pensioners that their pensions would go down.
Sherry +1. Absolutely sick of newspapers etc constantly vilifying yes supporters , and the endless stream of errors from the BBC, which I put down to budget cuts coupled with the constant requirement for BBC Scotland to refer to London when making a policy decision,the frequent covering of the referendum on a party political basis ie with 3 from the no side and 1 from Yes. The straw that broke the camels back for me was the coverage last saturday which presented the yes rally in Buchanan St as being a couple of dozen people when the reality was there were thosands. So cancelled my licence last Saturday.
Bit uncalled for.
What was? 😕
pensions eventually affect everyone.aracer - Member
This point concerning over 55 pensioners?
Tbh the referendum is over. Is there any will to discuss this without point scoring?
I know we've done to death about pensioners and how they were sucked in by the evil media and threats about their pensions
but according to the final poll (and bearing in mind here that there was no formal exit poll, so it seems to be the closest we've got) The pensioners were not the only group who voted majority No, in fact it appears that the only group who voted majority Yes were the 25-39's males
It also indicates that there were more problems with Yes campaigners acting unreasonably at polling stations than No campaigners...
I assume you guys will stop reading all the national papers and watching any sport, drama, current affairs etc. They all saw through AS and made no hiding of where they stood.
No sneaking in for a quick watch of the 6N or BBC news on your computers.
The Courier will keep you happy I am sure.
Personally I watch all media. One reports things others wont on an issue by issue basis. You eventually get accustomed to spotting the bullshit.
I dont pay for it mind, **** that! 😆
With regards to the bbc their bias has been known to me for a long, long time.
Thm I actually very much agree with your point about history earlier.
Ah, theft.
Probably, ive never paid a license fee, never will.
