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I can totally sympathise, I've been there recently. You probably already do this but keep a diary of your encounters with the guy, also of any incidents to you or your property. The police are very blasé about this sort of harassment but consistently report each incident, no matter how trivial it may seem as it helps them to build a picture. I eventually got an injunction placed on the person who was harassing us.
With regards to your housing if you want to move you could try a mutual home swap, it's normally arranged by the tenants through a website and you change your names on the respective tenancy agreements. If you're eligible for housing you can swap between housing agencies and council housing and across counties. Another option is to complain to your council's community/environmental wardens and he may be issued with an ASBO, if he's also a social housing tenant then you could also complain to his housing provider. I hope you get it sorted soon
Methanol in a vodka bottle. Leave it on his doorstep (wiped clean of prints/DNA).
Another crass 'suggestion' ^^^
The OP needs solutions not stupidity.
Monkey - I don't doubt the problems are 10 a penny in Middlesborough.
My home town was Wallsend - another post-industrial wasteland which I escaped from a long time ago.
You are still entitled to an appropriate response from housing association and police.
If you don't push it with both, nothing will change.
If you do push both it with it doesn't guarantee a result but you'll know you've tried.
Challenge PCC, police and housing association - ask them....what would you do/ would you put up with this/ is it acceptable behaviour.
Tell them you can't take much more and are close to breaking point; ask how they will feel when someone's blood is being wiped away.
Involve local media?
Why are you tied to the property and Middlesborough?
Aweeshoe-I,ve been told Cleveland Police allow record to lapse after a certain period.I hope this is not true but it would explain why there is no record of my calls/ visits.I have calls and emails recorded.
Do you think Aweeshoe that that the Police would be Blase if the shit was aimed at them.I think not.More hypocrisy me thinks.
Frank,why do you think the Police and housing associations if pushed hard would give a toss?I,m just a grain of sand in a collapsed society.Apparently CP receive 9000 calls a day.Perhaps its time we had a discussion in here about life in the Mad Max regions.I,m actually quiet surprised many of you are surprised by my situation.In a country heaving with loud uncultivated scum what do you expect?
threatening to kill somebody is actually a reasonably serious offence....... I would be insisting that the police act on your complaint.
If you don't push it hard for yourself, no-one will do it for you.
The soft/easy option is always to do nothing.
Police and housing association want an easy life; don't make it easy for them.
On North Star fb page there is a recent post by housing.org.uk; read it and contact them.
Involve your local MP.
The fact that Middlesborough is run-down and deprived is no excuse for your concerns to be ignored/dismissed/marginalised by PCC, police and housing association.
If your pisshead, scumbag neighbour is not stopped or forcefully challenged he will do the same to others - which then encourages others to behave in the same way.
I wouldn't be surprised if many incidents weren't recorded in the first place, ask each time that they are. If you can then request the same officers, and make sure you have a paper trail. My complaint came under hate crime and is supposed to be urgent but it could take days for a response. The person threatening and intimidating me knew that the police weren't taking it seriously and stepped up their attacks, it was only then that the police took action.
The person still lives in the village and I do have to watch my back
Yep,sounds exactly right.Something happens then to late the authorities show an interest.Usually takes a death in this town.
What do you do for a living OP? Just trying to think of ways for you to possibly remove yourself from the situation. Do you have any family or friends who live elsewhere?
The police systems are woeful. Very rarely do the people who need to know get the information required. I deal with multiple beat areas regularly and there's little to no communication between them so regular occurrences can appear like isolated instances. Without fail the officers I deal with have me report it via 101 and then email / phone them directly with log / crime numbers as it just doesn't get to them.
That aside you need to record everything. Dates, times, what was done and said. Keep a record of all the log and crime numbers from the police and make sure you get one when it's reported.
Go on the police website and find the contact details for your neighborhood team. Email them directly, detailing what's happened and how is effecting you (fear to be in your own home in case you are injured / killed etc).
Formal written complaints to your MP / PCC / IOPC / housing agency. They will all have formal procedures, find out what they are, follow them, make sure everything you send is sent recorded, follow up if you get no response, get named person to deal with your case so it doesn't go missing.
At the very least you have a case for harrasment, and threats to kill can carry a life sentence in some circumstances. I would think given the recent publicity regarding police inaction to complaints resulting in someone being murdered it should be high on their PR radar.
Any interactions you have with him make sure you record it (secretly have phone recording in pocket) so you have evidence of threats to kill otherwise without witnesses it's your word against his unfortunately.
Sadly you do need to be proactive in dealing with gobshites - it's not ideal but the better case you put forward the likelihood of a desirable outcome increases.
It's a really crappy situation you're in and I can understand why you're pissed off at the police response, that said I can also understand why with very limited budgets the police simply can't afford to follow it up with an appropriate response, I doubt it's just that they're too lazy. Not sure the PCC would be a whole lot of help at this stage but might be worth emailing/writing to the Chief Constable explaining it and asking what he would do and expect the police to do if he were in your situation. Then again his secretary/admin lackey will probably just delete/bin it.
You're right you shouldn't have to move but life isn't always fair, if it's affecting the quality of your life then move and hope you don't end up with more shitty neighbours. Standing by your principles isn't worth the stress etc. in cases like these.
If you're determined to stick it out then is it only targeted at you or other neighbours? If others can you not all just keep complaining to the housing company? If it's just you then might be a risky strategy but I'd probably try and antagonise (the next time he threatened me) to go and get a weapon and then record it if he does, the police will absolutely deal more seriously with knife/weapon crime in the current climate...
I sympathise with the OP, it's awful. However I think ultimately successive governments are to blame as they are the ones who control funding and dictate what can and can't be done. It's a political issue, don't forget that.
Sadly, there's only one language that these sort of people understand. So you need to start learning Klingon.
Molgrips is correct.I would say the police are trying to cope the way they think best..In my opinion,however,housing associations are willfully self serving,dishonest incompetent and corrupt.Those of you who think local politicians might wish to support me should remember who is on the boards of these companies and how much they are getting paid for being pet poodles.I think one or two on here are struggling to understand the nature of the country we now live in.You have to be on the receiving end of these organizations to see how wrong they are.
Not sure if it's universal. Some friends of ours recently got fast-tracked into a housing association flat in Glasgow because they were being intimidated, and then subsequent complaints in their new place have been swiftly dealt with. This doesn't help you though, of course.
That's social housing for you.Basically much of it is now just the preserve of the armed wing of the DWP.What do you think about the victims having to move Molgrips.WHY DIDN'T THE AUTHORITIES SORT OUT THE SCUM INSTEAD?Are we all supposed to keep moving on just so headbanger harassing scumbags can be pampered.I think were a nation of cowards now and have got the morally bankrupt authorities we deserve.God help the weak young and old now.
As for me,no doubt the victim will have to move.If any of you are feeling happy living in a country like this I suggest you take a good look in the mirror.
You are clearly in a shit situation and may well have reached the end of your tether but you are hardly coming across as a completely level headed and easy to get along with kind of guy. In fact, you seem to be remarkably stubborn and have something of a chip on your shoulders not to mention a bit bloody paranoid (the housing association is out to get me, the police are out to get me, the politicians are in the pay of the housing association - that last one is an absolute classic by the way).
Stop whinging and do something - go see your council, go see your MP if you think all these others are truly ignoring you but put a sensible head on first eh.
Some people are truly antisocial dickheads (especially when they are drunk) but it doesn't mean you get to choose where they live. If you don't like that then good luck with the world.
cumberlanddan - you've pinched my script.
monkey - you have dimissed the PCC, police and local MP. You have a local councillor - do you also dismiss him/her?
You posted here and received some serious and constructive responses from complete strangers.
You have dismissed those responses.
If you posted as a means of venting you should have made that clear.
Your post clearly read as a cry for help but you then reject every practical suggestion.
Start thinking straight.
FIrstly, this twonk doesn't know any "gypsies" that will "sort you out" - He's seen Tyson Fury on the telly and maybe half of Snatch and that's his go to response to make it seem like he has a crew that has his back.
If he's being threatening, then I'd get in the habit of setting your mobile to record when you get in the vicinity of when he's being abusive. Always be polite (as much as it pains you) and brush off his threats, don't rise to him.
Set up recording at the window to catch him in the act. Once you have evidence of threats and stones being flung at the window, take yourself back to the housing association and present them with it, then mention the legal route, such as an injunction against the prat. Log every call to the police and keep calling them, always asking for an incident number. Keep as much evidence as you can and always put emphasis the fear of threat to life.
If he does attack you, defend yourself, i get the feeling this bully will go down pretty quick if you fight back, they don't expect that from normal people and thats where they get their power
Oh, and dont dismiss the PCC, police, local MP etc, you just need to keep annoying them
Nuke [Middlesbrough] from orbit…
Hasn't that been done already?
Wish it had been dr.I,m so pissed of with the place I wouldn't mind if it happened tonight with me in it.I guess ,life in a dying old town cut to pieces by austerity is always going to be gruesome.The local rag at the moment reads like some crime magazine.I also live near the Police Station and the sirens are blaring away all day.This is as there heading of to the ghetto estates mob handed trying I guess to restore order.
Megacity1borough.
Listen to the advice you're getting, speak to Citizens Advice
In Teesside, chaps, these problems are ten a penny and alot are far far worse.It’s a collapsed post industrial town with high levels of poverty and poor education.I,m sure there are thousands of other areas like this in our country.As for my social housing provider they are not useless because they no exactly what there doing.Saving money and bother by doing nothing.I think your all forgetting that bureaucracies have there own agenda.My social housing provider has also told me that verbal abuse is not anti-social behavior.Unless its aimed at them of course.One should always remember the hypocrisy of our self serving masters.
I feel for you over there even when I am in Tyneside.
Where I am now and during previous summertime I used to get my car vandalised, people selling some illegal stuff outside my flat, being threaten, football, rock, bottles, fist through my windows for no reasons simply because people were drunk, high on substances or simply a bad day shouting and arguing amongst themselves. They just took it out on my flat because my flat is just front of the route for them to travel through ... luckily my landlord fixed all the windows but I had to fix my own car.
I am planning to move away from this location so hope the new location is slightly civilised.
If you can move away from the location then move as it can be stressful simply staying there.
Use this to check the location where you will move to ... if you are moving.
Thank God for chewkw....at last a contributor who lives in the real world.I do realize mate it's stressful living in such circumstances.Its also very stressful having to move when your not in a good place.
Anyway I,m going to give a statement to the police in a few days time.I think there trying to build a public order offence against him.He's a blagger and a liar so it will be difficult.
Thank God for chewkw….at last a contributor who lives in the real world.
Okay game's up...
Thanks squirrel your a big help.
I have never dismissed the police try reading the full thread.I have certainly dismissed the local labourists in all there guises.I and numerous others are acutely aware of there real interests and agendas.One or two people on here need to stop talking about my paranoia and need to start addressing their own woeful ignorance.
As I may have pointed out CP are currently fielding 9000 calls a day using there reduced staff roll.Again,instead of name calling try addressing how were all going to survive such Mad Max levels of disorder.
If you knew more of chewkw's posting history you would probably revise your comment^^^^
You posted, presumably, for some support and/or advice.
You appear to be wilfully ignoring well-meaning and considered advice from multiple sources.
Good luck with sorting your problems; they won't go away based on your inaction and dismissal of possible local support.
Your criticism of some posts/posters on the thread is ignorant.
I'm out.
I'm beginning to understand why some one might want to throw stones at his windows.
Or we're going to get a 9 month thread 180 and OP is really the drunk guy throwing stones.
Sounds hard for the OP. Give the guy a break.
It might be about time to get a cup of tea or a bike ride with someone to blow off some steam. Easy for me to suggest from 400 miles away.
If you can find a way mentally to stop letting the lunatic get under your skin, try that too.
Best of luck to you fella.
Thanks David,I,m nice and relaxed now actually.The police(who are local support I have never dismissed)re going to take some action against the individual concerned.
. I must say I,m very surprised about the attitude if FrankConway and others.They have not read all the comments thoroughly and referring to me as paranoid from positions of real ignorance is depressing.Tells me all I need to know about them.
I hope they chuck the drunk guy in jail.
You’re staying calmer than me (baseball bat to the head on his way home).
Hope you collected a ton of evidence too.
I feel the country is getting worse with scum like that.
There's millions of them.My problems are minor compared to many.
Thanks for the many supportive replies.I,ve just been wondering,how do you decent people survive in a nation of loud uncultivated scum?Thriving in a yob culture doesn't seem like something I can manage.Answers on a postcard please.
Tell the police that you are trans and that the yob used the wrong pronoun to address you, that's close to being illegal, isn't it ?
Or maybe that is Canada only.
@Turnerguy, feeling a bit threatened, or upset that people don't fancy you? There's no need to add to the prejudice or diminish the difficulties trans people face to prove your masculinity
@Turnerguy, feeling a bit threatened, or upset that people don’t fancy you? There’s no need to add to the prejudice or diminish the difficulties trans people face to prove your masculinity
feeling fine here, thanks.
think it was more a comment on the perceived importance of offences nowadays
Pretty crass way to go about it.
people survive in a nation of loud uncultivated scum?
It's not. I still let my 10 year old play out all day, leave my car unlocked, my front door open wide all day and often my garage door open for hours.
Sure, sounds like your area is terrible, but not the whole of the country is terrible that's for sure. Many lovely areas still
@Turnerguy. Whilst all cases of harassment should be dealt with swiftly the 9 protected characteristics are given more urgency because they are more likely to face this kind of harassment frequently, and it is more likely to have a negative outcome. On top of that they also have to deal with derogatory comments and discrimination daily.
Wish I could be smug and complacent like you Weeksy.Unfortunately many of us can't.
I think this thread shows what a massively divided country we now are.The tory shire ponies on here vote greed and self and then belittle victims.A truly repulsive nation half yob half hypocrite.
Wish I could be smug and complacent like you Weeksy.Unfortunately many of us can’t
I wasn't being either, I was just saying, because you live somewhere crap doesn't mean we all do.
Not having a pop, or belittling you, stop being so bloody precious.
Many,? Who's many? You appear in the minority from the posts. It's not our fault you live where you do