It strikes me that the bible has become an emabarrassment to the Christian church(es) and the Koran has become an embarrassment to moderate Islam.
Styevewhyte - that is the offensiveness of godism in a few words.
God is imaginary. I find you telling me
But dont worry regardless of what you do or who your are God loves you.
Incredibly patronising and offensive.
as you asked me not to be negative. It's interesting reading though, and might explain why us "hate-filled" atheists get a bit vexed sometimes.
Nope. Couldn't do it without (hilarious) cynicism.
there's no such thing as common usage
Deliberately being obtuse. Tedious.
I'll make it clearer. What would people say if you asked them to verbally state what Christian values were?
You have summed up your position nicely
You saw the quote marks, yes? You read the other half of that link I gave you?
I'm not hate-filled, I'm simply very strongly opposed to a set of 'values' which promote intelligent design, repress sexuality, enforce prayer and criminalise homosexuality.
Nope. Couldn't do it without (hilarious) cynicism.
No one asked me not to be cynical.
Deliberately being obtuse. Tedious.
Well, no, if I was deliberately being obtuse then I wouldn't have followed it with the second sentence which you conveniently failed to quote. I was [i]specifically [/i]saying that the question didn't have a simple answer, by definition, but was going to try anyway.
Cougar. You should become a Quaker then or other more tolerant forms of Christianity. CofE and the Catholic church have no problem with evolution as far as I can remember. Gene Robinson anyone? As with all human thought tit is a broad church.
Show me an example of this aethiest hatred
Here you go then, from this very thread.
Personally I though they were just a knee jerk bunch of **** wits hell bent on imposing a 4000 year old moral code on us all whilst worshiping the invisible sky fairy who wants the spread of AIDS and a huge infant mortality rate interspersed with the odd holywar/crusade
Would you honestly be able to say you weren't being negative in your listing?
And, are you are telling me that if I asked 100 people what they would describe as Christian values, the majority would say they hadn't a clue; that it was too complex a question?
Christian values: the teachings of Jesus which include the teachings of Moses in Leveticus Jesus supports.
Given the number of those rules I've already broken and that I have no intention of repenting (some of those sins count among the best moments of my life) then I'm definitly going to hell according to the Bible. In fact my brain will stop working and I'll be incinerated. The end.
The Cargo cult seems to be more about they have no clue how the stuff is created so had to make up some "Religious" aspect to it.
Say what you like about the Cargo Cult but they don't necessarily get everything wrong :
[i]"The Yaohnanen believe that Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, the consort to Queen Elizabeth II, is a divine being; the pale-skinned son of a mountain spirit and brother of John Frum. According to ancient tales, the son travelled over the seas to a distant land, married a powerful lady and would in time return. The villagers had observed the respect accorded to Queen Elizabeth II by colonial officials and concluded that her husband, Prince Philip, must be the son from their legends."[/i]
I can't really argue with that.
Who was John Frum anyway ?
[i]As with all human thought tit is a broad church.[/i]
Aye, everybody likes tits, even them gay fellas!
As an experiment, why doesn't someone on here who is gay go into one of the mainstream Christian churches, say that they are gay and see what sort of welcome they get.
It's my bet that they'll be welcomed with open arms by the vast majority of the folk in the church who couldn't give two hoots about their sexuality.
If that is so they are not very good christians as the bible says
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13
As an experiment, why doesn't someone on here who is gay go into one of the mainstream Christian churches, say that they are gay and see what sort of welcome they get.It's my bet that they'll be welcomed with open arms by the vast majority of the folk in the church who couldn't give two hoots about their sexuality.
100% spot-on.
Christianity = Rome in disguise, same philosophy and tyrannical behaviour.
Christianity has nothing to do with jesus or the way, it's just a bunch of evil bastards that use blind faith and a desire by week minded people to believe in something bigger than themselves, it's a way of getting dim witted people to do what they're told.
No wonder Cameron likes the idea of it 😉
Or if you want a bit more biblical hatred
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
So - homosexuals should be put to death and anyone trying to convert you to another religion should be killed. Nice stuff Christians.
As an experiment, why doesn't someone on here who is gay go into one of the mainstream Christian churches, say that they are gay and see what sort of welcome they get.
They would probably be told, quite rightly, that they were wretched sinners.
But on the plus side, that Jesus loves them. Which I guess evens things out a bit.
And is rather nice.
TJ, forgetting your cutting-and-pasting-from-the-Bible skills, would you agree that kennyp's hypothetical welcome is likely to happen?
@stevewhyte so basically you're a homophobe with only the most rudimentary grasp of spelling and grammar who believes in a wizard who lives in the sky.
Edit: You're not a teacher are you?
Hang on, Jesus isn't anything to do with christianity, that's slander innit!
Feefoo - not from good practising christians - they should kill you on the spot. Thats if they obey the injunctions in the bible.
Seriously - in some liberal western churches maybe - not in most of the world.
I think, in the midst of all this hyperbole, it's a s well to remind ourselves that we are generally talking about the Church of England.
You're more likely to get a weak cup of tea and some cake than a stoning, and more likely to get scones than killed.
...as you were, freedom fighters!
"wizard in the sky" ha ha, it's funny cos it's making fun of someone's stupidity, ha ha.
Hateful and tedious.
Did Jesus endorse that Deuteronomy passage, TJ? If not Christians can ingore it unlike your Leveticus quote as Jesus taught the Moses stuff.
No - its the religious that are hateful and tedious along with their foul patronising and prejudicial assumption of (moral) supreriority.
Grand Theft auto. Nice stuff modern culture. Do you not get it? Religious or Atheist "HUMANS ARE STUPID". I really this quote from Akira:
Kei (Japanese Version): What if there wee some mistake and the progression went wrong and something like an amoeba were given power like a human's?
Kaneda (Japanese Version): Akira is an amoeba?
Kei (Japanese Version): Amoebas don't build there own houses and brigdes do they? They just devour all the food around them.
Unfortunately we have been given power like humans but we are as stupid as amoebas
Cougar. You should become a Quaker then or other more tolerant forms of Christianity. CofE and the Catholic church have no problem with evolution as far as I can remember. Gene Robinson anyone? As with all human thought tit is a broad church.
Oh, sure. But that wasn't what I was referring to. Read the second half of the wikipedia entry.
Would you honestly be able to say you weren't being negative in your listing?
I was trying to be objective, and (I thought, at least) I was largely positive. Was I not?
And, are you are telling me that if I asked 100 people what they would describe as Christian values, the majority would say they hadn't a clue; that it was too complex a question?
I imagine you'd get many different answers, which is the point I was getting at. That's why it's not a simple question. But I don't know, I can only tell you what one person would say.
TJ, stop frothing!
As noted above, the only worse than an evengelical Christian is an atheist who gets all excited about silly things like christianity. Treat it with a discerning lack of interest and they'll all go away.
Oh by the way Christianity is usually not regarded as a rule based religion like Judaism and Islam.
It's my bet that they'll be welcomed with open arms by the vast majority of the folk in the church who couldn't give two hoots about their sexuality.
They're not very good Christians, then. They're disobeying the teachings of their faith. The Bible doesn't allow for flexibility, it's the word of god, isn't it?
...and for goodness sake people, let's have a wee bit of spell checking!
They don't tho crickey - they continue to tell us we are inferior and worth less. If they would keep it between consenting adults in private I wouldn't mind
I was actually generally talking about the Church of Scotland but pretty much the same thing. It's only aethiests who get all worked up about the nastier parts of Leviticus, forgetting that it is only a tiny, tiny part of the Bible.
I couldn't tell you of anyone who takes everything in the Bible literally; it's impossible to do. I've met loads of Christians in my life and never ever met one who hates gay people. As I said, the hatred in these threads generally comes from aethiests, and I can't see why. No-one is forcing anyone to believe in God if they don't want to.
Er so did people agreewith me or not?
I'll stick to posting about gavin henson in the future!
They're not very good Christians, then. They're disobeying the teachings of their faith. The Bible doesn't allow for flexibility, it's the word of god, isn't it?
As above Christianity is not a rule based religion. Most stuff is subject to interpretation.
Grand Theft auto. Nice stuff modern culture.
Choice, innit.
There's a world of difference between violent games and being violent, despite what the tabloids would have you believe.
"wizard in the sky" ha ha, it's funny cos it's making fun of someone's stupidity, ha ha.Hateful and tedious.
Making fun of stupidity? Yes. Tedious? Probably. Hateful? No. God doesn't exist. You *do* believe a wizard lives in the sky. You believe another wizard (this one is a baddy) lives under the ground. Ergo you will be mocked mercilessly and without sympathy.
It's not nice to mock the afflicted. You should offer help. Maybe have a door-to-door campaign, issue a few leaflets.
They're not very good Christians, then. They're disobeying the teachings of their faith. The Bible doesn't allow for flexibility, it's the word of god, isn't it?
It's as though people actually want to be hated, just to prove some point. And when they are told they aren't hated they seem to get quite irate. Something I'll never understand.
The Bible is actually pretty flexible. It's very much open to interpretation.
Jesus Christ I'm agreeing with TJ
*VORTEX* SAVE YOURSELVES
..and for goodness sake people
Go on Crikey, correct it. I'm afraid you get what I type with my butter fingers. This forum moves so fast that if I reread and correct the moment has gone.
But TJ, by ranting on and being over the top about it, you give them credence, you make it appear that what they have to say has substance and must be decried.
We all know it's a load of hocus pocus, but relax about it and let them pretend that it's important. We live in an ever more secular society, Alpha courses notwithstanding, so chill and let them squabble about how to deal with homosexuality.
As long as it has no impact, who cares?
Making fun of stupidity? Yes. Tedious? Probably. Hateful? No. God doesn't exist. You *do* believe a wizard lives in the sky. You believe another wizard (this one is a baddy) lives under the ground. Ergo you will be mocked mercilessly and without sympathy.
Why is it deemed a good thing to mock mercilessly and without sympathy.
Amazingly hate-filled idea.
So, because you believe God doesn't exist anyone who does deserves to be, metaphorically speaking, spat upon?
Lovely.
Kenny - so these people are not practising Christians then if they don't believe the bible. Its not a pick and mix religion. Its the word of god.
Which other bits do you chose not to believe? Do you allow money lenders in your temple? How about coveting they neighbours ass? ( can't be bothered to look up the exact wording)
this is a part of the massive hypocrisy of the "christians" - quite happy (some of them) to ignore the teachings of their prophet if it suits them
As for this
No-one is forcing anyone to believe in God if they don't want to.
Actually Christians are constantly trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us - public pronouncements all the time on all sorts of things.
When you keep it to consenting adults in private then it will be OK - when yo want me to live by your weird and arbitrary rules then its not acceptable.
This is why people like me dislike religion - that and the hatred and prejudice in engenders amongst its devotees - most of whom are to blind to realise that this is so. Its a basic tenet that believers are superior to non believers and that is prejudicial and unpleasant.
TandemJeremy - MemberNo - its the religious that are hateful and tedious along with their foul patronising and prejudicial assumption of (moral) supreriority.
PMSL
it amazing how many non Christians clearly have expert knowledge of the one "true" version of the faith and feel able to label anyone not conforming to their interpretation of the "true" faith as
not very good Christians
I assume all you athetist secularists volunteer to work all the religious holiday's (Christmas, Easter etc) and don't give your kids Christmas presents or easter eggs 😉
