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It's arrived! (hope the photo works!)
Christoper Ward Trident C60 bronze. Sellita automatic movement (ETA 2824 clone), CuSn6 Bronze 43 mm case, 600m water resistance. I'm loving the flat blue dial although the faux aged lumed markers are a bit too yellow (but kind of ok given the bronze), I quite like the logo at 9 but I know many don't, So far I'm liking the nylon/rubber hybrid strap which is a surprise, I normally fund rubber straps sweaty by the end of the day. I'm also loving the bright pink Copper tin bronze, although I am researching forced patina's and suspect I'll have a play. bezel action is phenomenal, really strong click, crown is super smooth too, it seems a lot of watch for £850, good value like many microbrands. i picked this up pre owned though 🙂
oh and 600m WR but no HeEV...yeah....well i dont dive anyway
Milk and red wine Neil and post up pics...
IMO a really fun Summer watch and she's on her way.
Yeah I read that the other day. I've been googling and found lots of blogs/articles on patinaring watches on sites like worn and wound, and I saw the milk then fix with red wine gave a faint but interesting iridescent patina.
The thing is, it's chemistry, and results depend on the bronze (cusn 6 or 8 or 12, or cu Al) and the crystal size and surface finish and the patina agent concentrations, and temp and presence or not of catalysts and time and and and ! I would like something brightly coloured, a mix of green, blue, purple, red.... But I suspect I'll end up with black or brown. So long as it adds character though I'll like it. Probably.
Clearly some experts on this thread. I have many watches in a draw. 20+ year old Tag, something massive with a compass(!), Animal with a Ti Bezel (I think), Torgoen that I really liked but never wear. Mostly I wear my Fenix 6.
For some reason I'm quite taken by this: https://www.panzera.shop/product/time-master-42/raptor/raptor-mk5/
I worry it'll be like the https://torgoen.com/collections/t10-collection/products/t10-troupial-black-carbon-sapphire-45mm-orange-silicone-strap (Not quite the same but close) and once it turns up, it'll also end up on the drawer.
Anyway before I even think of wasting my money, any opinions on the brand. I did a few googles which seemed to suggest they were okay and not likely to fall apart in the first few months.
Anyway before I even think of wasting my money
...walk away from this thread...
I’ve counted the clicks on my SKX007, it’s definitely 90 and not 120.
Well I’m not a diver, so it doesn’t really make much odds to me. It’s weird though, because I’ve popped it off today to change the insert, and the click spring isn’t a flat washer with a couple of pawls like the ones I’ve seen in photos, it’s a single wire spring which on vertical teeth.
As others have said, the SKX should have 120 clicks and they 'should' be even, but with manufacturing tolerances and wear they tend to be uneven.
If you've got 90 clicks and a bezel spring different to the one below then I'd question the authenticity.
Lol at kryton!
As for experts.... enthusiastic hobbiests, some very knowledgeable (not me...I know enough to have fun, no more!)
I should post some pics of mine. Not quite at the level of some of what I've seen on here 😉
Anyway I've asked Panzera what the import cost would be. I think 'a lot' probably!
If you’ve got 90 clicks and a bezel spring different to the one below then I’d question the authenticity.
It's not that type at all! It's a wire with a small 90 degree bend that sits in a single hole drilled in the body. It curves around inside the bezel and clicks against a vertical track on the inside the bezel. There's a Vostok type retaining/tension spring in there too. I wish I'd taken a photo of it!
I've looked at a few YouTube clips on how to spot a fake, and absolutely everthing else looks legit though so I'm really not sure.
Is there a Korean Japanese Seiko difference maybe?
Is there a Korean Japanese Seiko difference maybe?
The K and J SKX models are identical, apart from text on the face and case back.
Bad weather has apparently caused my DHL flight from Singapore to divert to Germany so my hopes of getting my M-Force by the weekend are shattered.
#1stworldproblems.
It’s not that type at all! It’s a wire with a small 90 degree bend that sits in a single hole drilled in the body. It curves around inside the bezel and clicks against a vertical track on the inside the bezel. There’s a Vostok type retaining/tension spring in there too. I wish I’d taken a photo of it!
That's the same setup used on 80's/90's vintage Tag Heuer but with 60 clicks and it's never been used on any Seiko to my knowledge.
Get a pic up of the front and case back if you can. It might not be 100% fake but I know for certain the bezel isn't a genuine SKX.
Nth watches anyone?
More NH35/Miyots but they got the name right
They have a very good rep as far as I've seen. Well built, good service and the designs aren't generally straight copies. It's pretty hard to create an original diver style these days but some of their dial texture, colour & layering combos are interesting.
If I was buying a diver now it would probably be between an NTH, Halios (if I could find the pale green Seaforth anywhere), Crepas or Doxa.
Though there are a tonne of micro's putting out decent looking, well built divers under £800 at the moment.
This watch is absolutely amazing
Unlike Cavalier Malvern I love "extravagant" watches, original and out of the ordinary. On the other hand I must say in all honesty that I love the watch that you have posted on the photo, it is a sporty watch but I find it not simplistic at all. Personally my favourites are the technological watches.
Dear watch geeks,
After a long time of not wearing a watch I currently have a:
but i've started looking at shiny things & i really like the look of:
https://g-shock.co.uk/gmw-b5000d-1er
@ 49.3 x 43.2 x 13.0 mm on a 6.5" wrist, will it be too big ❓
(this is part idle musings)
I think I would like those Urwerks if I was twelve years old or a professional footballer, otherwise it’s a no.
This watch is absolutely amazing
Which watch? Is there a photo there that isn't loading for me?
Urwerk and MB&F make really interesting watches. If I had the money I'd definitely have a few even just to stick on a stand as a piece of functional art.
I like slight twists on more traditional styles & some of the classics for wearing normally but there is definitely a place for far more innovative timepieces.
Qwerty - you already own the perfect watch. Anything else is just affectation, and I speak as a watch geek (although my geekery is inexpensive, quirky watches, rarely more than £40).
And G-Shocks ming, regardless of size 🙂
Update - the ETA on my M-Force was 24/2 but the flight from Singapore got diverted to Germany because of bad weather and as a result of which I've just received it now.
No, I don't understand that either...
Either way the watch is mint!
After wearing my trident again yesterday I found the usual sweaty irritation from the rubber strap by the end of the day, so started looking at sail cloth or canvas. It seems all sail cloth have a leather lining which is surely pointless on a sports/dive watch? Canvas options from the likes of Barton straps look reasonable. It's just a shame that, as far as I can see, the buckle is intended to be removed from the CW strap so I'll not have a bronze buckle on the canvas. Could go rose gold coloured... But I guess it won't patina like the head. Hmmm.
Feiko? What do you reckon then? Sorry about the big images, but these were taken with SWMBO's iPhone, so should be able to zoom into the details. The bezel insert and movement are the originals which came with the watch. I've looked at photo's of the case back on Google Images, I don't think the wave is stamped to a good enough quality. edit - it doesn't really show on the last photo, but the lume pip on the insert is definitely inset and not printed on or raised.
The lume on your dial looks wrong. It has quite large borders
Also, on the case back the O on Seiko is round on yours. Looks more like an oval here
Yeah the dial looks pretty poorly executed if it is real - Seiko's generally have first class lume.
The constant need to regulate can be a sign that it needs de-magnetising.
As to the originality of the watch, the logo on the back does change from time to time. As mentioned the lume on the face looks off. The placement of the serial number, and it looks lasered not stamped/engraved. That doesn't match any seiko I've seen.
Having said that, the case, bezel and movement look about right. The 7s26b is a later movement iirc.
I have a bit of trouble believing it's worth taking a seiko, they aren't insanely expensive, and parts can be had relatively cheaply.
More likely I'd have thought, is it's been modded. Plenty of that around.
I think the most noticeable difference, (apart from the quality of the photography) is the stamping of the sea below the big wave, and that the Seiko doesn't line up above the big wave.
How annoying. 😥
Edit - bezel is defiantly not right, see my comments above. Also, there are fakes of everything. I also like a Vostok, and there are Chinese copies of those, even though the originals are about 40 quid from Russia!
Actually the chapter ring doesn't quite! Proper attention to detail. 🤣
Just to add, the movement is a genuine Seiko 7S26 but the rest is fake as pointed out above.
I have a bit of trouble believing it’s worth taking a seiko, they aren’t insanely expensive, and parts can be had relatively cheaply.
There's a ton of fake Seiko's on Wish. You're right that they're not expensive to us, but there are countries in Asia where Seiko are an aspirational brand and the average wage is a fraction of what we earn in the UK. A SKX might be a months wage if you've got a good job in Vietnam, so if you can fake them and knock them out for a weeks wage there will be demand.
See also the Casio F91W. Less than £10 for a new one but it's also one of the most faked watches in the world.
Edit to add: Just looked on Wish and a fake SKX is less than £20 direct from the factory in China.
I bought 4 figure redialled 1960's Omega Constellation that I had to return to a shop swiftly due to it being sold as 100% original. I was jumpy so say the least. It's a minefield out there and you are not the first or last to be caught out.
What I should have said was I can't believe it's worth taking a seiko and putting what looks like a correct movement in it. I don't think I've seen a new 7s26 movement for £20 so the china watches must use some knock off movement, I'd guess.
Yeah I doubt the £20 fake has a Seiko movement, probably a Seagull or unbranded Chinese movement. 7S26's were around £30 before they were discontinued and the 4R36 that replaced it is the same price.
The 4R36 ships with a day wheel for a 3 o'clock crown and you have to change the wheel for a case with a 4 o'clock crown, otherwise the day doesn't line up in the window. I've seen plenty of fake Turtles where they've used a genuine movement but haven't bothered to swap the day wheel so it's easy to spot from a distance that all is not correct.
I think I'll keep an eye out for a spares or repair one on eBay, or I wonder if the professional modding companies have a stash of spares they'd sell cheap.
Just about on topic... can anyone recommend a watch repairer / modded I can go to online?
I dug an Animal watch out of the drawer to finally change the battery and it’s working again except for the date indicator which is getting stuck part way through changing.
It’s not a valuable watch of course but it’d be nice to get it running again so I’d like to send it away for a new mechanism but don’t really know where to start as there are so many places which come up online.
The local jewellers in town stopped doing watch repairs when the last owner retired so even post-lockdown aren’t an option.
And the staying on the Animal watch theme, does anyone here own an Elliot Brown? I’ve got a Tyneham on my used watch shortlist after deciding that a Canford is probably too big for my average side wrist.
Before they took their site down (but after they closed their own service department) Animal were directing customer to these guys for repairs
https://www.lockerhullthornton.com/
I’ve not had to use them myself and the movements in them are fairly generic so I’m sure other places could help.
The Elliot brown watches are lovely(although expensive at RRP for what you get) I’ve got a canford that I picked up off eBay (and smallish wrists) it’s a nice well made watch with some lovely features. I’ve got my eye on a thynham aswell as a more day to day watch due to the smaller size but can’t face paying rrp.
I've got a Canford on a rubber strap and small wrists - works fine for me, the lug sweep down so it feels smaller than it looks
I've got a Canford, it's a really nicely built watch and whilst it's easy to think it's expensive because it's £350 for "just a quartz" I think the value is definitely there when you actually look at the watch and not just whether it's quartz or automatic.
Thanks all.
It’s unfortunate what’s happened to Animal, I’ve used their watch repairs before and that would have been ideal of course.
I initially settled on the Canford and there are some deals about. The Tyneham is only an option S/H as at full price I’d be looking to spend some more for something completely different.
If however Timefactors ordering reopens any time soon then the next watch could well be a Baby Dreadnought.
What're the most tell tale signs of a Tudor Pelagos being a fake?
Some images here (If it works)
The date window is in the wrong place (should be closer to the edge of the dial) and the clasp is completely wrong. Snide AF.
Quite often you don't even need to see them, just hear the dubious backstory about how it was found in a great uncle's clearout etc and that'll tell you pretty much everything you need to know.
Cheers for the input. On price alone I assumed it was fake. Handy to have some advice and know where to look for the errors compared to the real thing though
Long time lurker, first time caller.
My daily - a Tudor North Flag. Not to everyone's taste but to me it has the vibe of an Explorer but is (was) actually available to buy (without selling an organ). Three years on it's aging well and I still enjoy it.
I like that!