Just like to point out that Utd fans weren't moaning about an even softer sending off that won them the game in last season's FA Cup 3rd round.
The amount of times the **** have gone through because of luck or repeatedly being in the easiest group, surprise surprise ferguson can't be more circumspect in defeat...
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its probably fixed and they are probably all using the lance armstrong supplement programmereal will win on a dodgy refereeing decision, fergies blood presure will go so high that his head will actually explode
well i was close with the 2nd part
so i reckon i was right in the first part too:
somewhere in asia a crime syndicate made a lot of money from that result
the worlds richest sport = the worlds most corrupt
The saddest part is that fergie bottled it with his team selection for another big euro game. They were there for the taking at the back. When the dust settles, hell be left wondering "what if" about picking Nani over Rooney. It's a real low to go out on, but he's not gonna be there for ever . [b]Mourinho certainly looked like he knew there's a job available soon.[/b]
Well he'll obviously have competition from far better qualified and more experienced armchair experts. 🙂
From the refs angle it looked like Nani saw the other player over his shoulder at the last moment and rather than keeping his leg bent or pulling out, instead thrust his foot towards him studs forward.
Harsh decision but not a refereeing mistake. It was an entertaining game, just a shame we couldn't have seen 11 v 11.
The press conference on Sky afterwards was hilarious - the manager is not here as he's distraught (read - throwing a proper tantrum and his language is unsuitable for TV)
The referee got it spot on - there's nothing in the Laws that require intent for it to be a red card. The problem is that it wouldn't normally get a red in the PL.
At the end of the day, dubious decisions or not, we went out of the Champions League, to the best team in the world, after a pretty respectable performance.
I'm loving the deluge of gloating from fans (or is it 'fayns'?) of a certain premiership club who certainly won't be in the Champions League next season. Just as well, as they found the competition in the Europa league a bit above them this year. And couldn't get past Oldham in the FA cup.
Perspective's a wonderful thing isn't it? 😆
Look on the brightside, Huddersfield Town won last night in the Champion[b]ship[/b]
I'm loving the deluge of gloating from fans (or is it 'fayns'?) of a certain premiership club who certainly won't bee in the Champions League next season. Just as well, as they found the competition in the Europa league a bit above them this year. And couldn't get past Oldham in the FA cup.
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I wonder which team you mean, and I wonder who referenced them first in the thread binbins? Dry your eyes mate. 😉
binners much as it pains me to admit it I would probably have rather Man U won than Real. Not a fan of them or Mourinho.
But Ferguson has managed to remind me why I don't generally root for Man U in Europe. He acts like a spoilt child, and his one-eyedness is ludicrous. I know this isn't an exclusive trait in him but he is particularly ridiculous.
Mind you I find premier league/CL football in general pretty distasteful/boring these days. . I might even start calling it Wendyball soon. 🙂 Would rather go and watch Morecambe or go to the Rugby League with my brother
I'm fine with it Bravissimo. I always thought it'd be a bonus if we got past Real, on the form they're on. At least it wasn't the watch-it-through-you-fingers demolition we've suffered at the hands of that other Spanish club in some high profile CL matches over the last few years.
12 points clear at the top of the Premiership goes a long way as a consolation prize 😉
The thing I feel robbed of really was the post match Fergie press conference! Just imagine how that would have played out! 😯
Sorry Binners ... didn't I say Modric was overrated last week 😳
TBF... he normal can't hit a barn door with a bango... but that's no good to you now.
And I think in hind sight it should have been red. Last night I didnt think so ... Nani has got it try and control that ball, he can't allow it to bounce... But then again the same can be said of the Madrid player ... except he hasn't got his foot up.
I'm conflicted ... I always want to see the english go through (even if it was arsenal) but then again ManU have had more than thier fair share of doggy calls go thier way .... Pedro Mendes/Roy Carroll anyone ?? 👿
[quote=binners said]At the end of the day, dubious decisions or not, we went out of the Champions League, to [b]one of [/b]the best team[b]s[/b] in the world, after a pretty respectable performance.
That's better.
United only have themselves to blame - their approach play was very good in the first half, they made some good chances and failed to take them.
Nice to see Nani getting his just desserts, though. Awesome bit of play-acting trying to get out of a card, and then the horror when he sees the colour...priceless.
Nice to see Nani getting his just desserts, though. Awesome bit of play-acting trying to get out of a card, and then the horror when he sees the colour...priceless.
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Shouldn't all the players haranguing the referee have been at least carded too?
Grum - If we started enforcing that then every match would have to be abandoned as there would be no-one left on the pitch by half time. I did enjoy Rio's slow hand clapping of the ref at the end 😆
[i] If we started enforcing that then every match would have to be abandoned as there would be no-one left on the pitch by half time.[/i]
Personally, so be it; they need to start enforcing the rules around dissent. It's completely endemic, right down to children's leagues, and that's not a good thing.
It'll be carnage for about two weeks, and then they'll learn pretty quick to keep their mouths shut.
Grum - If we started enforcing that then every match would have to be abandoned as there would be no-one left on the pitch by half time.
Yup, but not only would that be pretty funny, IHN is right - if the rules were actually enforced then people would start sticking to them.
"If we started enforcing that then every match would have to be abandoned as there would be no-one left on the pitch by half time"
Only if it was ManU/Chelsea game ... 😆
Shouldn't all the players haranguing the referee have been at least carded too?
The ref knew he'd made the wrong decision, guilt made him overlook the rightful indignation of the players.
The ref knew he'd made the wrong decision, guilt made him overlook the rightful indignation of the players.
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I'm not arguing the point. I think they should enforce it rigorously
I also think that players guilty of 'simulation' should have the injury they're simulating inflicted on them. So if you go down like you've been shot, then....
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Surprised baconface didn't try and blame the ref for his teams shortcomings. 🙄
Why do the players have 'respect' on their shirts when they don't show any?
Odd that ManU felt that it was their "right " to win.
It was red card ....
Had it been done the other way around - i.e on a MU player you would be howling for execution.
As a City fan, I wanted ManU to go through - keep 'em tired and distracted, I say ...
The the absolute sour puss attitude of SAF and the fans is priceless and churlish. you lost , because one player had the red mist come down , and being at OT, he would get away with it. Players surroundng the ref, no matter what the issue is not acceptable. I believe FIFA say onl the captains can remonstrate?
Look at the replay - Nani follows through , he continues to extend his leg to try and "rake" the RM player ...
Cos things never, ever go ManYoos way ...
Shame , though, as it means they have the title in the bag
Baiting aside, do you honestly think that was a red card?
Peter Crouch didn't get red carded for a far more dangerous raised foot at the weekend.
Look at the replay - Nani follows through , he continues to extend his leg to try and "rake" the RM player
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Baiting aside, do you honestly think that was a red card?Peter Crouch didn't get red carded for a far more dangerous raised foot at the weekend.
Yes, I do.
The Crouch one was interesting, his foot was raised (even higher) but he didn't lead with his studs. Did he get booked?
he didn't 'get the red mist' - it was a tackle without intent to injure , but going for a ball at chest height with a studs up leap is reckless / likely to endanger the safety of other players, hence why it's a red card. The laws are clear - in fact if you tackle like that the offence is committed even if you don't catch the player at all, it's tackling in a way that endangers a player, not actually injures him.
If we started enforcing that then every match would have to be abandoned as there would be no-one left on the pitch by half time.Personally, so be it; they need to start enforcing the rules around dissent. It's completely endemic, right down to children's leagues, and that's not a good thing.
It'll be carnage for about two weeks, and then they'll learn pretty quick to keep their mouths shut.
Why i packed up refereeing.
If the letter of the law was being followed, then it is indeed a straight red. But then it would also be an instant dismissal every time anyone even attempted doing something like this:
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Technically, its dangerous play, and you're walking. And wouldn't football be all the better for it? A bit of discretion is required
Baiting aside, do you honestly think that was a red card?
I'd say its [i]perhaps[/i] debatable but nowhere near the outrage that some are claiming. Strict interpretation of the rules rather than a mistake.
Nani had his back to Arbeloa, he didnt even know the Arbeloa was steaming in for the ball. Nani was merely trying to get at a badly passed ball to him. I'm no Man Utd. fan but that red card was ridiculous (and then the ref goes on to ignore at least 3 good penalty claims)
Most dangerous thing I've seen on a field for years
I believe a Van Persie offside was also missed in the lead-up to Utd's goal? We could go on and on and on. Every game has missed decisions all through the game. Lets face it, rightly or wrongly, very few are going to have any sympathy with Fergie over a questionable (at best, as grum put it) decision.
He was out-thought straight after the red too. If you look at the substitutions - Jose went straight on the attack. Ferguson bottled and didn't do anything for a while. To be fair, he's rarely out-thought and he's probably seething as much at that as at the decision.
If the letter of the law was being followed, then it is indeed a straight red. But then it would also be an instant dismissal every time anyone even attempted doing something like this
No it wouldn't because the Guidance Notes to the LOAF make specific comment to this.
"A scissors or bicycle kick is permissable provided that, in the opinion of the referee, it is not dangerous to an opponent"
Whereas:
"A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play"
To the referee last night, the only question he has to answer is whether going for a ball with his studs at chest height endangers an opponent. Once the answer to that is yes, he has no other option because serious foul play = dismissal.
Shouldn't all the players haranguing the referee have been at least carded too?
By the letter of the law, probably yes - had the ref made the right decision about Nani in the first place.
It goes to show what a cheb-ender Rio Ferdinand is though - for him to stand there applauding in the ref's face after the game is inexcusable, and Gigg's behaviour wasn't much better.
The problem is that Fergie will come down on the side of his players, which makes them look dafter yet because they're trying to defend an undefendable incident - like Dalglish did with the Suarez/Evra incident.
Yes, the ref ruined the game (I don't agree with Mourinho though, I thought Real were the better team), but in the end the result stands so what are you going to do?
[i]By the letter of the law, [s]probably[/s] yes - [s]had the ref made the right decision about Nani in the first place[/s][b]full stop[/b].[/i]
[quote=johnellison said] (I don't agree with Mourinho though, I thought Real were the better team)
Mourinho didn't agree with Mourinho either. But when you're positioning yourself as baconface's heir apparent then anything goes 🙂
..Jeez, its a game, stuff happens, live with it.
Nani: I've seen players sent off for less, and not sent off for more as the man said, thats football!
Ferguson: The mans a disgrace. A successful one admittedly, but I've dealt with 9 year olds with more dignity and self control.
Referee: Not the best, not the worst (The worst was the one in the England Portugal game 2004 Euros)
Football generally: Bit like cycling, theres something in the Swiss air that makes governing bodies totally stupid. I wish they could grasp a few basic concepts. 1) Its a contact sport, 2) Its professional and needs handling professionally, 3) Cheating needs to be dealt with not ignored.
I believe a Van Persie offside was also missed in the lead-up to Utd's goal?
Ronaldo was offside for his goal as well.
I actually thought the ref did OK, there were a lot of decisions that fall into the seen 'em given category but I think he got most of them right, the keeper punching Vidic (happens all the time and keepers never get punished), Rafael hand ball, Ramos on Rafael, Ramos climbing for the disallowed goal etc.
In the cold light of day I can see why the ref gave a red (although I still think he got it wrong), Nani was high and the ref wouldn't have seen the fact that he was only looking at the ball. That said, I don't think anyone would have argued if it was a yellow.
Of course the fact that the ref follows Real and Ronaldo on twitter might have had some impact on his decision!
As a neutral I thought the game turned into a classic. The ref didn't ruin a game at all IMO. Atmosphere at the end was electric. United pulled together and put in a great effort.
I hoped united could have just got one of their chances with 10mins to go and it would have been an epic ending.
Nani was late, didn't get the ball and he caught another player in the chest(ish) with his studs.. but just because he couldn't see the other player that is ok 😕 The ref has hardly cocked it up has he. He had a tough decision to make.
sin bin is what's needed - 10 min for Nani; 5 min for the Real player for simulating injury
Then you'd need to add five minutes for Nani for also simulating injury 😀
Why can't the footballists accept the idea of a few changes to the game.
I have played rugby and currently play hockey (yes proper hockey SaxonRider! :wink:) both sports are constantly seeking changes to their respective games to make them flow and improve the game, but football seems to ignore some pretty easy changes that will prevent Baconfaces head exploding under the incredible internal pressure when something does not go his way. My favourites would be:
1: 3 card system - green = caution, yellow = 10 min sin bin, red = ta ta.
2: zero tolerance of dissent from players or Baconface et al
3: Rugbyesque call to fourth official with a big screen - at Ref's discretion
4: replay appeals - 2 per side per half, if it's upheld you keep the 2, if you are wrong you lose one appeal
4: self pass at free kicks - this has really increased the speed of hockey matches.
Oh, and a very entertaining game watched with Italian, English and Spanish in an Italian restaurant in Earl's Court - lots of noise but no tantrums or bad language - as it should be.
actually, you're right ocb
then there's being a ****; another 10 in my book
If he's not careful he might rollover to the next match
