[Closed] Uncle in care home & staff 'issue' dilemma!

TandemJeremy - Member

It would normally be in the care plan to which all workers have access. I would expect only the senior staff to actually look and know what one is however, I wouldn't expect a care assistant to even know where to look or what one was but its usually there to see for all.

TJ, sorry mate, but this is just not true.

Every single care worker I deal with is required to read and understand the care plan for their client.
They then have to sign a form to confirm that they have understood and agree to provide the care that is required.

There is no ambiguity about this, it's an absolute.

If anyone has a relative in care where this does not take place, move them or demand another company takes over.

Rusty its quite the norm for basic financial stuff including who controls the finances to be on the care plans - certainly in nursing homes where I work - we need to know so we know who to deal with if the person wants / needs some money spending on new clothes or sweets or haircuts or whatever.

Rusty = crossed posts - I have worked at senior level in nursing homes for many years and its quite the norm I assure you. I would never think oddly of it.

Are you local authority or residential homes? ( I know we are all "care homes" now)

teh care pans I refer to can me a couple of hundred pages - and I would never exect a care assistant to sign anything nor have I ever heard of it. I have working in dozens of care homes

Bad carers don't last - it's just not worth doing if you don't get any
kind of satisfaction from it.

But they are tolerated by poor managemnet who find them cheap to employ.

I'd be delighted if someone followed me round with a secret camera, it might just help people to understand the necessity of confronting the reality of care provision and my job might just be valued a bit more.

Nearly all carers do an excellent hard job, but a few let the side down, and as above its usualy by being tolerated by poor management, and once a home gets a bad name , good staff either resign, or dont apply for jobs, residents move to other homes, and the home is closed and sold as flats or demolition for redevelopment.

There are also relatives who put their family in a home, and then forget about them, its those forgoten residents that need protecting, and the only way to protect them and posibbly ourselves when we are old and dependant, is to question, report and always demand written responces.

I work for a large bank, this is fraud and theft you must call the police right now, then contact the bank as soon as possible, so they can get back any money that has been stolen. Is called theft through deception. This is a very serious case pleas CALL THE POLICE RIGHT NOW!!

we all nearly agree for once.

You will want to contact the customer fraud team , its not something a branch can take care of!!! Pleas call the police tonight!

Sounds like financial abuse to me ......alarm bells ringing and my spidy senses are going nuts!

You can grant power of attorney at any time

No one should ignore this. My mother asked me to be her power of attorney when she became single in her fifties and watched all her friends die of cancer.

Respect to her I say.

i hope youre on the phone to the police right now, the fraud team at the bank will have dealt with the situation before and have close contacts with the police, some one could find then selves being arrested at work...

[i]I work for a large bank, this is fraud and theft you must call the police right now, then contact the bank as soon as possible, so they can get back any money that has been stolen. Is called theft through deception. This is a very serious case pleas CALL THE POLICE RIGHT NOW!![/i]
Calm down, I'm not a total dipstick (I am a prison ossifer you know)
I STILL HAVE THE CHEQUE! i wrote it out in my uncles presence but didn't post it.
No crime has been committed, yet.

I assume if you have a look at his statements there will be past instances of this, and in fact yes a crime has been committed, some one has attempted to remove funds from another's account, even if they were not successfully its still a crime. Bank will change is bank AC number, cards etc, suggest he gets rid of his check book, he has no need for it as he/ you can just use a debit card! I have seen this at work, these people get jobs in care homes for this reason!

"jumpupanddown" certainly living up to his username there !

jumpupanddown - hold fire.

Esselgruntfuttock writes the cheques, no other money has gone, no one has attepted to remove funds.

Its been know for cares to take old folks to bank to take their money out with them!

Personally i would still gather further information from your uncle to ensure you have the facts before acting. I am not saying this person is innocent or that you should not act, just confirm the facts before acting.
We process a significant number of safeguardings every day and initially damning evidence does not always add up when heavily scrutinised.

Esselgruntfuttock writes the cheques, no other money has gone, no one has attepted to remove funds.

some one has pressured or persuade him to remove funds from his bank, that is a crime on its own. The crime was committed when the career asked for the money!

In my old job with the information provided i would have already put a freeze on the AC and called the police!

[i]I assume if you have a look at his statements there will be past instances of this, and in fact yes a crime has been committed, some one has attempted to remove funds from another account, even if they were not successfully its still a crime.[/i]

**** me jumpupanddown, your'e either on speed or you've been through his statements & know something I don't!

He's not senile, he just can't write his own cheques out FFS.

I work for a large bank

jumpupanddown - Member
some one has pressured or persuade him to remove funds from his bank, that is a crime on its own. The crime was committed when the career asked for the money!

And you know the Carer "asked for the money" how exactly ??

Have you even read the thread, or are you just making stuff up ?

In the current climate you lost your credibility right there

Yea and i now work in collections, times are ****ing good!!!!

And you know the Carer "asked for the money" how exactly ??

well wtf would he be writing a check for 2 grand if some one had not asked him to!!

Nuke the care worker from space, its the only way to be sure.

Yea and i now work in collections, times are **** good!!!!

Bellend.

Yea and i now work in collections, times are **** good!!!!
Bellend.

you can call me what you want but with my bonus structure i dont care.....

People have ruined them selves buy buying a load of shit they didnt need, and now they cant pay..i have very little sympathy! But back to the thread, and care worker that asks for 2 grand is scum!

jumpupand down - I suggest you read what essel posted.

well wtf would he be writing a check for 2 grand if some one had not asked him to!!

Essel wrote he check and did not send it. Essel writes all the cheques as he has power of attorney

Essel wrote he check and did not send it. Essel writes all the cheques as he has power of attorney

You should still inform the bank, as check books can be ordered over the phone! Signature forged etc!

I know I started this thread to more or less confirm what I already knew, thanks TJ, rusty & all you others but jumpyup&downy hasn't been paying attention & seems to have lost the plot!
It's now more entertaining than the telly though. 😆

EDIT, It's not even a troll!

TJ, I admire you for your patience!

well wtf would he be writing a check for 2 grand if some one had not asked him to!!

Read the thread properly, then come back when you know wtf your talking about.

No wonder the banks are ****ed with brain donors like you working in them 🙄

LOL @ neal!

god ive seen this happen so many times, the care worker will get youre father to order a check book on the phone and then write her own checks!!! bell ends come crying to us when some one wipes out ur account but you can never work out why, its coz you know shit all bout how banking system work!!!

god ive seen this happen so many times, the care worker will get youre [b][u]father[/u][/b] to order a check book on the phone and then write her own checks!!! bell ends come crying to us when some one wipes out ur account but you can never work out why, its coz you know shit all bout how banking system work!!!

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You couldn't make it up 🙄

As an aside;

I started off quite calmly reading page 2.

I am now jumping up and down.

Has the SAS been called yet?

[i]the care worker will get youre father to order a check book[/i]

My father, who died 9 years ago? That one?

Actually I have lied a bit come to that. My 'Uncle' actually isn't my uncle at all, I just call him that.

He's my (deceased) fathers cousin, so therefore my 1/2 cousin but since I was a little kid He's always been Uncle Frank. (same name as my Dad & their mum's were identical twins with the same birthday as me, 22 August.
apologies if thats confused you some more jumpyup&downy.

fraud happens all the time as people are to stupid to realise how it happens... but you will cry to some one like me when you lose all ur cash and want it back. take the piss all you want but some one wants this mans money and they will get it if strong actions arnt taken! Infact if the bank were to find out the carefree attitude towards access to there account they well may close the Ac to remove risk from the bank.

TJ.

We're obviously using different terminology, hence the confusion 😀

Where I work, only the managers of the home or of the company providing care have access to any kind of financial information regarding the client.

A care file is different - a file that is referred to by all carers attending a client.
This file details the clients mental, physical, personal and psychological needs, along with the medication they take, personal and family details and any other relevant background info.

In fact, pretty much everything apart from the financial details 🙂

I assume it's a Scots/English thing, apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.

#bouncingoffthewalls

Sorry, I can't be fannied to read the responses... I'm a careworker and that situation is financial abuse. There is a lot of legislation that defines this as such and there is a lot you can do.

Get in touch with the CQC [url= http://www.cqc.org.uk/ ]H E R E [/url] and explain the situation.

This is the kind of situation you are given when training in working with those "at risk" (previously known as vulnerable adults).

Chat to the manager AFTER you have spoken to CQC and have learned exactly how many ways this is in breach of policy and it will be resolved. Knowledge is key here, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Although I'm beginning to think...

#obvioustrollisobvious

Anyone with me?

Darcy, I don't blame you for thinking that at this stage TBH. I think Jumpy's turned it into one though!

Not @ you essel! 😯

#obvioustrollisobvious

I would tend to agree.

But I think jumpyupanddownystampyfeety is actually for real, and just a complete nutjob.

(maybe works as a cleaner in a bank ??)

fraud happens all the time as people are to stupid to realise how it happens... but you will cry to some one like me when you lose all ur cash and want it back.