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I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
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I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
Well if he is it's not a particularly demanding experiment given the level of intelligence demonstrated by the people most likely to be offended.
See its genius like that attack that should be encouraged on this thread
I dont like left wing folk they are all thick - its a great point well made as the genius of the right is shining through on here. Little but insults of late from
The right wing are proper frothy today - is the full moon coming or something 😉
I dont know the colour of the social workers.
Well her picture is in the reports her name is mentioned on so you could off course have read up on the issue before sounding off.
They do appear to have a strange priorities which could just be incompetence(as previously shown ) but seems more likely to be the result of someone high up spouting the sort of guff you are well known for.
What rational, well argued and based on sound reasoning and a graps of the facts as opposed to your hostile frothing based on not actually bothering to read up on the subject.
Lets hope so eh 😉
One for the Binnerstshirts for sure
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Presumably she's not the only social worker in the area and your views are based on a deeper understanding of course.
Mr Gove does indeed have some competition around here.
Gove and farrage as PM/deputy. That just sounds like a match made in heaven.
In reality I think Farrage is more of an 'operator' than he would have us think, and after a walk to the shops and back, I now wonder if his comment about Gove as party leader was meant by him to be as funnny as it sounded. 😀
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I edited to reply to gt and removed my inevitable typos as well
Presumably she's not the only social worker in the area and your views are based on a deeper understanding of course.
So you dont know who you accused of raciusm when you accused them then...brilliant
Mr Gove does indeed have some competition around here.
Oh dont be silly now your not as big a **** as him [and i am nowhwere near as smug] 😉
Have you considered a fact based approach to debate rather than this?
and i am nowhwere near as smug
I suppose Gove has got good reason to be smug really - started off with nothing, adopted by a loving (Labour voting) family, scholarship to good school based on aptitude, risen to the highest echelon of government on merit - pretty much everything that the left would tell us was impossible really, no wonder you hate him, he's a class traitor, rather than wallow in what he didn't have, he made something of himself.
whereas you're stuck here blaming everyone else in society for you being a failure 😉
I suppose Gove has got good reason to be smug really
Fair play to him, but insisting on adding his own chapter into The Bible could potentially be misconstrued as arrogance
I often wonder who gave him the idea that homophobic literature being allowed into schools would be ok.
So, despite being brought up by nice lefties, it seems he was just born the **** that he is.
Small win for nature over nurture it seems.
I dont like left wing folk they are all thick - its a great point well made as the genius of the right is shining through on here.
I think the extremes of both sides show the same problem; their judgement and insight are clouded by their extremes of political ideology.
The extremes of both the right and the left are equally guilty of this.
Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party, and on the far right, well, we really don't need to look too far for evidence of imbecilic behaviour there do we. Where should we start there is so much to chose from.
The whole point of this thread was that the decision that was made has been criticised from all sides of the political spectrum, even Labour have said it was very worrying and needed to be investigated urgently.
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Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party,
Do we know that the social workers in question are left wing or is this just an assumption?
Small win for nature over nurture it seems.
Hard wired for idiocy
a right wing social worker , that is some one who leaflets for the BNP/EDL
Do we know that the social workers in question are left wing or is this just an assumption?
Total assumption but probably a reasonable one to make 😀
Regardless, it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing.
geetee1972 - MemberWitness the far left removing three children
They were abducted by the CPGB? I suppose that's one way to increase membership.
I'm unconvinced that this [i]has[/i] to be an idealogy/handwringing thing- it seems just as likely to be a risk aversion thing. And also just as likely to be a "we don't have the full story" thing
Over the last few years there's been a few high profile cases where social services have taken a kicking for failing to act. The perception in my ex's department now is that it's better to act, wrongly than it is to not act, wrongly. Nobody wants to be the next Haringey.
That's not driven by them all being lefty nutters, it's more driven by them not wanting to be on the front page of the Sun because they couldn't protect every kid in their ridiculously overfull casefules.
They were abducted by the CPGB? I suppose that's one way to increase membership.
The extreme of ideology as explained above.
Well David Cameron thinks UKIP are racists, is that because of his extreme left wing ideology?
And Z11 - doesn't it get boring now that most people don't even bother replying to your nasty trolling?
goves a joker
his first plan as education secretary
-scrap sports partnerships with schools and end ringfencing on PE funding
-and made it easier for schools to sell off sports fields
-his genius idea to improve gcses- bring back o-levels (straight from the 1950s) announced in the midst of gcse exams
-he also managed to **** up 45000 gcse english exams which had to be resat
-discarding rules on junk food in schools in the middle of an obesity crisis
-his amazing scheme to put a kjb in all schools where they can gather dust in libraries ignoring the already available kjb online (though sadly that version has no reference to the secretary of education himself) was a joke
-and he condemned privatisation and competition between exam boards while basing his(labours) entire academies programme on it
The whole point of this thread was that the decision that was made has been criticised from all sides of the political spectrum, even Labour have said it was very worrying and needed to be investigated urgently.
So who from the left of the political spectrum has been criticising it?
aracer - MemberSo who from the left of the political spectrum has been criticising it?
shirley red eds as left as you can get?
Yes but kimbers be fair to aracer, he (Ed) probably doesn't mean it. He is more likely aware that their just happens to be a parliamentary by-election coming up and his candidate is in trouble from all sides (include many in the Labour Party).
Mmm, second thoughts that is a bit cynical - perhaps he really does mean to criticise the decision.
goves a joker
shame he's not funny, trouble with idiots like him is the damage they do. that takes a lot of trouble (and money) to put right.
i dont think you can be too cynical where politicians are concerned thm
Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party,
FFS how many time will you repeat this lie and claim that it was done by lefties- You have passed from diatribe into lies now. Please just stop or show me where the socila workers have said this - I aceept the UKIP supporter may be so stupid they misunderstood what was said to them [ or did not listen or chose to ignore it which seems to be a right wing trait] but it has been explained to you over and over again what the REAL reason was and racism was not ever apart of it.
So dedicated to attacking lefties that you dont even care if you get the facts rights or whether you can even prove they are lefties.
it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing.
In reality its is your own ideology that makes you see this as a left wing things despite the repeated explanations.
it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing
can we just get one thing straight. being left wing is determined by your opinions on who owns the means of production, the distribution of wealth and the burden of tax.
how would that ideology drive this decision in any way shape or form ?
i'll answer that for you. it doesn't.
i'm so out, i'm louis spence.
Junkyard - Member
...but it has been explained to you over and over again what the REAL reason was and racism was not ever apart of it.
So its a bloody good job that none of us believe what we read in the papers, since they (of all political persuasion) reported that, "the parents were told by social workers that they belonged to a "racist" party and [i]so they were unsuitable carers for the children[/i]."
So dedicated to attacking lefties that you dont even care if you get the facts rights or whether you can even prove they are lefties.
😉 😉 A job in journalism beckons then?
As a sign of the UK's multiculturalism, we have just appointed a Canadian-Brit to the position of Governor of the Bank of England. Imagine how many countries would do that? [But just for balance he is Harvard/Oxford (Economics) and Goldman Sachs, so still from a narrow sub-section!!!]
how would that ideology drive this decision in any way shape or form ?
It doesn't, but folk love someone to blame. Grrrr it's all there fault ad nauseum.
I know what the parents claim was said to them and that the papers reported this but everyone involved gives another explanation.
Its not like they might wish to gets some mileage from the claim or that UKIP are exploiting it for political reasons now is it.
I dont think you believe the social workers called them racist either or that you think his accounts are unbiased.
Will be easy to [dis]prove since there will be case notes attached to the children and minutes from the panel meeting that made the decision.
PS I dont think you think a social worker actually said this to them. They may be left wing loons but they are not that stupid
Yes interesting choice never heard of him but interesting interview on Radio 4 on the way home with him.
will the current number 2 flounce and will it matter?
In that case Junky, why no denial from the council that the R word was used?
You've been very quick to both call the couple involved stupid and accuse them of lying.
(without any evidence of either, hows about that for a fact based approach to debate)
They may be left wing loons but they are not that stupid
A few minutes ago you were denying they were lefties at all...
Ok junkyard, lets for a moment agree that whatever exchange was had between the social workers and the foster family is irrelevant. What [i]are[/i] the reasons they were unsuitable for caring for these children; why does being a member of UKIP make them unsuitable to care for their cultural needs?
can we just get one thing straight. being left wing is determined by your opinions on who owns the means of production, the distribution of wealth and the burden of tax.
Labour abandoned the first of those principles years ago but I would still consider it left wing
Labour abandoned the first of those principles years ago but I would still consider it left wing
How on earth are New Labour left wing?
Where is the 'nasty' trolling then grum? All I can see is reasoned replies/arguments to the posts on this thread 😕
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How on earth are New Labour left wing?
That +gazillions.
Any pretence of being left wing was jetisoned by the windbag neil pillock, and his clause iv rejection, at the behest of murdoch and co-- how grovelling low is that-- that paved the way for the new romantics under tony liar....
bloodynora - you really need to have a word with yourself if you find you're agreeing with Z-11. Nasty trolling is his calling card, and there's some if it on this page - I won't do him the honour of quoting it.
Junkyard - Member
I aceept the UKIP supporter may be so stupid they misunderstood what was said to them [ or did not listen or chose to ignore it which seems to be a right wing trait]
Well I suppose they do say attack is the best form of defence.
[checks Grums Dictionary]
Troll:
[i][b]Troll[/b] (third-person singular simple present trolls, present participle trolling, simple past and past participle trolled)[/i]
[b]To [i]dare[/i] to disagree with or challenge anything that one of the righteous left (Tm) says. [/b]
[i]Thought Crime level five, Newspeak crime level three, indicative of lack of common purpose[/i]
And there you go again.
Still can't see it grum, maybe your being a bit over-sensitive to his posts because he doesn't agree with you 😉
Oh yes you're right I somehow mistook this constructive and thoughtful argument for unpleasant trolling.
no wonder you hate him, he's a class traitor, rather than wallow in what he didn't have, he made something of himself.whereas you're stuck here blaming everyone else in society for you being a failure
But of course he put a wink at the end so actually it was just a funny joke, and not at all passive-aggressive.
Thought Crime level five, Newspeak crime level three, indicative of lack of [s]c[/s][b]C[/b]ommon [s]p[/s][b]P[/b]urpose
please capitalise properly 😉
Blimey grum you are an easily offended type aren't you. Maybe stay away from internet arguments with people who have opposing views from yours? Just a thought old chap 😉
Apologies Big n daft 🙂
Grum, I'm quietly confident that Junky can and does give pretty much as good as good as he gets, without you needing to fight his corner for him - still, I suppose its just one of those inherently [i]Leftist[/i] characteristics that you feel the need to patronise people by intervening on their behalf whether they need your help or not, isn't it 😉
Blimey grum you are an easily offended type aren't you. Maybe stay away from internet arguments with people who have opposing views from yours? Just a thought old chap
I'm not remotely offended. Why would you think that? Bit of a lame cop-out to suggest that, and to suggest that my views on Z-11 are purely to do with his politics. Plenty on here I disagree with but have respect for.
And no, that was far from the worst example of his trolling. If the rules were applied evenly he would have been banned long ago (please note before anyone starts on about the 'thought police' again that I'm not calling for him to be banned).
Grum, I'm quietly confident that Junky can and does give pretty much as good as good as he gets, without you needing to fight his corner for him - still, I suppose its just one of those inherently Leftist characteristics that you feel the need to patronise people by intervening on their behalf whether they need your help or not, isn't it
I'm sure he can and it has nowt to do with sticking up for Junkyard. Nice passive aggressive little dig/wink again there btw - textbook. 😉
Junkyard is a bloke!!
Haha thats funny.