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Full MemberAfter going AWOL for the entire referendum campaign
You know that's not true, we know you know that's not true. You can do better than this.
we know you know that’s not true
Really? He decided that having Dave front the remain campaign gave him the excuse he needed to absent himself from proceedings and he retired to the allotment for the duration until he popped back up, the result he wanted having been delivered, to demand article 50 be triggered immediately.
He’s a lifelong Brexiteer. During his career (such as it is) he voted against every single piece of EU integration. He’s a time serving, uselesss backbench idiot who should have never been anywhere near the Labour leadership, but his biggest crime, of many, was his lazy facilitating of Brexit
Hes as responsible for the idiocy of Brexit as Johnson, Farage or Gove
He represented neither the views of his MPs or the Labour membership or Labour voters, merely his own
But then that’s what narcissists do. And on that score he’s as bad as Boris Johnson, with his own cult of Momentum sixth formers cheering him on
You know that’s not true, we know you know that’s not true. You can do better than this.
I distinctly remember it... radio silence all through the brexit debate, on the subject of brexit at least, other than some non-commital weasel words to keep people guessing, and then a 3 line whip at the 11th hour.
But then that’s what narcissists do.
That comment surprised a little because I couldn't recall ever hearing Jeremy Corbyn being described as a narcissist before. But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn't been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.
And sure enough "Jeremy Corbyn narcissist" gets a result :
Jeremy Corbyn is accused of 'narcissism' after boasting that the coronavirus pandemic proved he was 'absolutely right' on public spending
So there you have it, just like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump Jeremy Corbyn is also a narcissist..........because he claimed that he was right on public spending. I think we can safely put that little gem in the same category as "Jeremy Corbyn is a racist because he keeps condemning Israelis for murdering Palestinians".
Btw binners since you are moaning about Corbyn's alleged poor input during the 2015 Referendum campaign (apparently the outcome would have been different if Corbyn had used his famous powers of persuasion) what exactly was your input like during the 2019 general election campaign?
I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people's doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?
But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers,
It was odd how reliably binners hilarious comments basically repeated the mails attack lines against Corbyn. If ever I couldnt be arsed to look at the heils output I knew binners would summarise it for me.
Its also entertaining watching the labour right rant and rave about how Corbyn was invisible and then also ranting about how Farage is overrepresented. Possibly one day they might manage to join the dots but they might need a sixth former to help them out.
Speaking about the referendum campaign its odd how silent people are about how the official campaign helped out the brexiteers, doing their normal accuse others of their own faults, attack on the elite had as the campaign director Jack Straws son. Nowt wrong there.
But then it occurred to me that perhaps I hadn’t been reading the right sort of newspapers, so I thought a quick Google might help.
And sure enough “Jeremy Corbyn narcissist” gets a result
Yeah, because I get all my opinions from the Daily Mail. Or maybe I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers
I mean as a Labour Party member were you knocking on people’s doors and urging them to vote for a narcissist or did you just lie to them and tell them that you thought he would make a great PM, or maybe you stayed at home and just did bugger all waiting until the the election was over so that you could moan endlessly that Boris Johnson had won?
Do you know how this democracy lark works? We’re not in America, voting for a president. I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency. I’m grown up enough to separate that from the useless old goat who was allegedly the party leader, who never stood a cat in hells chance of becoming PM because…. well… he’s Jeremy Corbyn
I went out and campaigned for my local Labour candidate James Frith to become the elected representative for my constituency
And who would be the next Prime Minister was a complete non-issue in the 2019 general election? Wow that's amazing! Which begs the question why were you so obsessed about Corbyn then?
I can spot a classic narcissist from miles away, even if it’s a tiny, parochial, pathetic form of it that only demands adulation from a small band of hopelessly naive sixth formers
How terribly Daily Mail to put it like that. I reckon Richard Littlejohn would approve.
Ah yes. I often forget that in the view of the sixth form, everyone who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should have seen out the rest of his days as an anonymous timeserving backbencher, as that reflected his extremely limited abilities, is obviously just spouting what they’ve been spoon fed by the Daily Mail/Richard Littlejohn/Whatever
Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it? It must be nice when everything is so simple
Well I am just a simple soul binners, which is why I'd like you to explain how as a Labour Party member you were making the case for a Labour government in 2019 but somehow, according to you, the leader of the Labour Party wasn't an issue with the punters.
Because, you point out, "we're not in America".
It all sounds rather complicated...... this democracy lark.
Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin, he was removed from the Labour Party last year for “things” and it appears he’s now been arrested for sending dick pics and Attempting to meet up with a 15yr old boy.
I won’t link to his twitter account as you’ll wish to claw your eyes out, I made the mistake of having a look.
Be a damn shame if he fell down some stairs…..repeatedly, or suffers a nasty injury to his groin with a circular saw. Think he was the ex chair of Jewish labour movement who were instrumental in stirring the shit and ousting Corbyn
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg45y4r0yngo
Anyone else get a full house when binners wrote “sixth form”?
yep, but the (school) cap fits.
he was committed to delivering brexit in a sensible way
Being left-handed, I've decided I can halve the cost to me of gloves, by cutting off my right hand. I can see no issues with this policy at all.
Now, who can help me deliver it in a 'sensible' way?
Life really isn’t very nuanced in the common room, is it?
I don't recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rants. And I find it telling that you have nothing to say about the current Dear Leader's 180 degree pivot to hard Brexit. It is, I suppose consistent with his lack of belief generally.
Headache incoming for starmer with the arrest of Ivor Caplin
Given when he was in office I cant see it being a major issue.
Now Tulip Siddiq on the other hand. Having the anticorruption minister being accused of what she is being accused of is a tad awkward. Its not like it should be a surprise either, private eye reported on it several years back.
Yeah, Siddiq should be “stepping aside” while her current connections are looked into. It doesn’t mean she can’t come back, and Labour isn’t short of MPs who could step into the government role, surely?
I don’t recall ever seeing much nuance or originality in your tedious little rant
Binners is effectively a dictionary definition of projection. I am sure he will demand the thread is shut down soon and redirected to a nice happy space for him to pat himself on his back about his intellectual superiority over everyone.
I'm not actually sure Starmer could really have been in a better position now than he is. There was never going to be a magic pot of cash to be found, the country is a mess. The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish, the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony), some unpopular but appropriate policies have been enacted (WFA and farmers IHT) and surprisingly little rebellion within such a large party except for a handful of fringe councillors and the odd discontent MP (what did happen to those who had the whip removed, did they just disappear into the sidelines where they should have stayed).
The gammons are still lapping up the right wing rubbish
I love that, 25% of people who voted Labour six months ago are telling pollsters that they are regret doing so but the problem is "gammons" 🙂
And love this too
the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one (and have doubled down on attacking him, the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony),
Yeah that is exactly it, the Left, along with gammons apparently, were expecting a miracle on day one, well spotted!
And now they are "doubling down" on their attacks on poor ol' Starmer...... endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!
If there is one thing that Centrists cannot be accused of is lacking insincerity! 🙂
And now they are “doubling down” on their attacks on poor ol’ Starmer…… endless rants about Starmer on this thread, which put binners incessant ranting about Corbyn 5 years after he ceased to be Labour leader to shame!
Point of order @binners didn't mention the 'C' word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago...before that, no one had mentioned the 'C' word on this thread for about 1 month prior to that and it was then mentioned by *checks notes* Rone, and you, Ernie.
Talk about sincerity!
😉
Fresh Blow For Keir Starmer As Labour's Popularity Slumps To New Low
All these gammons and lefties don't seem to be impressed :
Labour approval rating has slumped to its lowest ever level in a grim start to the New Year for Keir Starmer.
The YouGov survey showed that 63% of voters now disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 16% who approve.
That gives an overall approval rating of minus 47, down two points on the last poll at the end of December.
And try to get your head round this:
Separately, the poll also found that 40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government’s performance, compared to just 36% who approve.
40% of Labour voters disapprove of the government's performance.
Very obviously it isn't Starmer's fault. But I just can't remember who's fault it is...... Jeremy Corbyn's, Kemi Badenoch's, Nigel Farage's, Elon Musk's, Donald Trump, a handful of lefties on stw?
the left seemed to expect a miracle on day one
Bingo. Its fascinating how the "miracle on day one" replaced the "wait until after the election" and so forth.
Leaving aside the predictablity of bread tomorrow it also lacks that nuance that binner demands. People arent expecting a miracle today but what they are expecting is evidence of changes to be implemented to give us a chance of at least some of the issues the tories caused being fixed by the next GE.
the same left wingers who on here scream foul that Corbyn was brought down by dissent in the party, irony)
You seem confused about what irony means. For the right wingers to whine about the glorious leader being attacked is ironic.
For those on the left of labour to return the favour especially after Starmers purging of the nonbelievers in him isnt.
Farmer IHT is a good example of a halfarsed policy. Some good to it but if you read the experts opinion they should have started with rollover relief. Pretty much impossible to defend that when it comes to selling for development.
Point of order @binners didn’t mention the ‘C’ word untill dazh mentioned it 2 days ago
And ? What do you think that proves....... that Starmer is attacked on here more severely than binners avalanches of abuse against Corbyn ?
Its never me who brings up Magic Grandad, though I'm always accused of it.
Anyway... fascinating though this discussion of Comrade Corbyn is.....just to get back to the subject title, with it being a UK Governemnt thread and all that:
I was out for a few beers on Friday night with an old mate who's a former cabinet minister (under Blair... boooooo hiss!) and is still very active and well connected in Westminster as a consultant*. After a few amusing anecdotes about Liz Truss - you'll be unsurprised to hear that she really is as thick as she looks and is almost permenently pissed, as she mainlines Chardonnay all day - he came out with this statement:
"Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We're in 1938, its just that most people don't realise it yet."
His take on it is that within the next year or so we're going to realise how lucky we've been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn't going to last for much longer. The government has red lights flashing up all over the dashboard which is taking up an awful lot of bandwidth. Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press (and us) are told gets discussed at these visits is only apparently a small part of what actually gets discussed. Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment.
In his opinion in 12 months time we're certainly not going to be indulging in trivia like Elon Musks opinion of Jess Phillips. Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.
An interesting take, given that he knows what really going on far more than most
* you can try and guess who it is if you like
“Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We’re in 1938, its just that most people don’t realise it yet.”
His take on it is that within the next year or so we’re going to realise how lucky we’ve been to live through such a prolonged period of (relative) peace, because it isn’t going to last for much longer.
So nothing like 1938 then.
Theres going to be far more critical and pressing issues, internationally, for Starmer and co to deal with, and they know it.
Care to elaborate? Or did your mate not want to tell you? Who are we going to war with?
I think binners might be busy fashioning his tin foil hat......it might be a nuclear war, and you can't be too careful.
Anyway the ex cabinet minister might have shared it down the pub with an old mate but it is very clearly a huge secret. I mean have you read anything about it in any newspaper? Of course not!
Apparently the only people who know that something big is going to turn people's lives upside down in 12 months time are the government, binners mate, binners himself, and now a bunch of geezers on a MTB forum.
Don't let it leak to the press !
And remember.....
"Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment"
You heard it first here.
Its all very cryptic, isn’t it? It’s difficult to imagine any of the present little conflicts going on in the world massively escalating due to… oh I don’t know… an absolutely loon taking the reins of the worlds largest superpower in a weeks time
Everything will probably be fine though. Probably. Nothing for our government to worry their pretty little heads about
So any clues about the "awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment”, or did your mate make you promise not to tell anyone? I take it that it was a quiet pub and not too busy.
I am really intrigued by this cryptic comment
Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press
If only we could be told what Rachel Reeves agenda really was. I guess that we will have to wait 12 months like everyone else.
Btw binners I have added a "like" to your "it's time to get the tin foil hats out lads, something big on par with 1939 is going to happen in 12 months time" post.
It didn't seem to be getting the usual amount of likes that your posts typically generate, and I wouldn't want you to feel disheartened, especially when you are so kindly sharing important and somewhat secretive stuff that your mate told you down the pub.
I’m only here for the likes Ernesto, innit.
I reckon it’s the coming war between the US and EU after Trump invades Greenland. The UK will try to be neutral but. Will get dragged into it when he tries to annex Canada.
So the United States against the rest of the world in WW3
Yes I can understand how it would make sense for the current government to be very busy, and secretly, behind the scenes as they prepare for that.
Rachel Reeves trip to China makes perfect sense now.
“Do you know where we are at the moment mate? We’re in 1938, its just that most people don’t realise it yet.”
So you're saying that a consultant shilling for work for the government is predicting that the government needs help?
Astonishing.
Think Reeves going to China was probably just to get away from all people in Whitehall who think she’s useless. If I were her I’d be ‘very depressed’ too. Must be a shock to realise you’re completely out of your depth.
You are not paying attention Daz. According to our inside source
Hence Rachael Reeves going to China this week, despite the protestations of the Daily Mail. What the press (and us) are told gets discussed at these visits is only apparently a small part of what actually gets discussed. Theres an awful lot going on behind the scenes at the moment.
But don't get fooled by Chinese whispers.
Oh dear God.
This is full on "magic beans" nonsense. It's like he watched the first 20 minutes of Wallace & Gromit over Christmas and thought "this is a great idea!"
Ah... "World Leading"... if you ignore all the countries actually leading the world on this. Half an attempt to get the big companies (from the real world leading countries) to consider the UK over other European countries for their base for European talent (don't mention Brexit), and half a desperate attempt for the UK state to do more with less in lean times (don’t mention Brexit).
An interesting comment here :
Susie Alegre, a barrister specialising in technology and human rights, cited the Post Office scandal “as a reminder of the dangers of putting too much faith in technology without the resources for effective accountability”.
Who needs Tech Bro Sunak when you can have Tech Bro Wannabe Starmer?!
Ah… “World Leading”… if you ignore all the countries actually leading the world on this.
We're back at the days of Cameron and Johnson posturing and bravado. World leading! World beating! World first!
Just do the ****ing basics in a vaguely competent manner! Not everything needs to be stuffed with AI. You can fill potholes, build a trainline, invest in the NHS without needing some vague undefined concept of AI.