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More of that 'doing nothing' they've been indulging in over the past few weeks...

https://Twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1815728826258714972


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 3:40 pm
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More of that ‘doing nothing’ they’ve been indulging in over the past few weeks…

Yeah that's easy stuff that is very cheap and has almost no impact on 99.999% of the population. You're mistaking basic low level competence for the stuff they should actually be doing, which is making the lives of working people and the poor more tolerable. The 2CBC is easy to do, it will have an enormouse positive impact, costs next to nothing, and has widespread support from almost everyone but the most swivel eyed tory loon so there's not reason not to get on with it.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 3:53 pm
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More of that ‘doing nothing’ they’ve been indulging in over the past few weeks…

Too little, too late, there's still child poverty, climate change and war in Europe and the middle east, they haven't fixed any of that!


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 3:55 pm
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Posted : 23/07/2024 3:57 pm
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there’s still child poverty

See above, they could solve a lot of that problem right now, but they choose not to because they'd rather not annoy the Daily Mail or be seen to be giving in to their more left of centre MPs and activists.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 3:58 pm
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More of that ‘doing nothing’ they’ve been indulging in over the past few weeks…

I heard Mishal Husain interview Liz Kendall on R4 this morning. Poor Liz, you can't throw media soundbites around to justify a lack of immediate action on Gaza... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mishal-husain-corners-minister-over-lack-of-action-over-gaza_uk_669f762ee4b03375f56f2d27

Liz was primarily questioned on unemployment rates. That didn't go too well considering that's her portfolio


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:12 pm
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Have they not stopped the killing in Gaza yet? FFS! What've they been playing at?

We all know that all Keir has to do is phone Israel up and tell them to stop and they will, and the inhumane bastard hasn't even found the time?

He's worse than Hitler!


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:32 pm
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they’d rather not annoy the Daily Mail 

This is literally what they have to do.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:33 pm
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We all know that all Keir has to do is phone Israel up and tell them to stop and they will, and the inhumane bastard hasn’t even found the time?

I'll take that as ironic comment. "We will be setting out more plans in the weeks and months ahead"


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:36 pm
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See above, they could solve a lot of that problem right now, but they choose not to because they’d rather not annoy the Daily Mail or be seen to be giving in to their more left of centre MPs and activists.

They can pretty much do what the hell they like at the minute as it will be long forgotten by the time of the next election. 🙂


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:40 pm
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On the surface, transfer licences for weapons should be stopped right now... looks simple. It's completely tied up with third countries though, isn't it? Needs to be coordinated with them. Israel produces enough arms to protect itself, but USA, Germany & the UK can still make a point here... that what's happening right now in Gaza is well beyond self protection, and that international cooperation on security is at it risk if that doesn't change. There's probably more to do here as regards intelligence sharing rather than physical supplies... I like to see that come into play in the open as well (it probably already is behind the scenes).

UK gov's diplomatic efforts looks totally futile right now... but that doesn't mean they should stop... or that calls to improve/increase them deserve mockery... all real diplomacy needs to be aimed at stopping the deaths and reducing the chances of them starting again in future... a ceasefire now, an immediately ramped up aid effort, and as peaceful as possible two state solution in place long term.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:44 pm
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Netenyahu is presently in Washington and instead of being arrested and treated like the genocidal war criminal he is, he's being feted like the pope and giving a speech to congress, presumably to say that he intends to continue the genocide and can we have another squadron of F-35's please?.

The worlds biggest superpower is going to nod along, give him a round of applause, then carrry on sending him billions and billions of dollars worth of arms.

In the face of that, which is the uncomfortable reality of the matter, what exactly do you expect Keir Starmer to do that the Israeli's would even notice?


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:56 pm
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On the surface, transfer licences for weapons should be stopped right now… looks simple. It’s completely tied up with third countries though, isn’t it? Needs to be coordinated with them.

Why couldn't Liz Kendall say that? It sounds much better than what she did say; you're wasted on here kelvin 🙂


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 4:56 pm
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Nothing I say will get in the way with diplomatic efforts, so, like you, I can just say it how I see it... and not worry about the fallout. And let's not forget that the "fallout" here could be the continued destruction of Palestine in the short term, and the end of Israel in the long term... both of which are higher risk results than a few people disagreeing on a forum about how to go about things, and UK state involvement in all that.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 5:23 pm
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More of that ‘doing nothing’ they’ve been indulging in over the past few weeks…

The key part being "at the end of the contract".  Not immediately, no rush.

And agree with Dash, tories and reform whip up immigration as the major thing to be concerned about but whether people are on a barge or in other premises makes no difference to people lives does it.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 6:24 pm
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Heres some more doing nothing...

Zero hours contracts...

The Employment Rights Bill will give workers the right to a contract reflecting the number of hours they regularly work.

It also requires bosses to give "reasonable notice" and compensation if shifts are changed or cancelled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4yvprvn94o

To say they haven't been on office 3 weeks yet I think some are being a bit harsh...


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 6:38 pm
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Seeing reports that the cancellation of HS2 will actually reduce line capacity once the trains start replacing the Avanti services on the existing tracks. This is ****ing outrageous, I hope it gives labour some impetuous to reinstate it (in full!?)


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 6:44 pm
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The key part being “at the end of the contract”.  Not immediately, no rush

The Tories will have ‘negotiated’ the contract with one of their mates, no doubt based in the Caymen Islands

They will have legally watertight clauses in place which means cancellation will result in enormous financial penalties

Welcome to the real world as brought to you by the Tory party

I hope it gives labour some impetuous to reinstate it (in full!?)

The Tories have already salted the earth and flogged/given away the land to their mates

Again: Welcome to the real world as brought to you by the Tory party


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 7:08 pm
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Zero hours contracts are an interesting one.  I have worked on a zero hours contract because that is what I wanted - bank and agency nurse.  A pal of mine works on a zero hours contract.  Supply teacher  again her choice freely made.

Its actually quite hard to get rid of the abusive zero hours contracts without getting rid of the ones that folk like me want


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 7:31 pm
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However not removing the 2 child benefit cap with its abhorrent rape clause is indefensible and you guys know it


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 7:36 pm
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Zero hours contracts are an interesting one.  I have worked on a zero hours contract because that is what I wanted – bank and agency nurse.  A pal of mine works on a zero hours contract.  Supply teacher  again her choice freely made.

Its actually quite hard to get rid of the abusive zero hours contracts without getting rid of the ones that folk like me want

Yeah I'm not sure exactly how it will work, they are saying there will be an opt-out as there are circumstances where it suits people, as you say...

I guess it will operate a bit like the opt-out of the 48hr per week EU working time regulations?


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 7:42 pm
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The only thing that can stop Netanyahu is withdrawal of US support. That's literally it.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 7:55 pm
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I guess it will operate a bit like the opt-out of the 48hr per week EU working time regulations?

In which case its completely useless especially as folk think they can opt out of all the WTD stuff which they cannot


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 8:02 pm
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Vote on two-child benefit cap to be held this evening, paving way for Starmer to face first potential Commons rebellion
The SNP’s king’s speech amendment calling for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped has been selected for a vote by speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle, paving the way for a Commons vote on Tuesday evening.

The vote could see the first possible rebellion in the Commons for Keir Starmer as prime minister as MPs from across the party have called for the cap to be scrapped.

Former shadow chancellor John McDonnell said earlier that he will be voting for the SNP amendment.

first test of Starmers authority.  good on the SNP for doing this tho its plainly a bit of party politics looking to the holyrood election.  Its all about making the Red tories / two cheeks of the same arse stick

50+ rebellion is my guess

Edited to reduce the prediction


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 8:09 pm
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The only thing that can stop Netanyahu is withdrawal of US support. That’s literally it.

You're probably right, but withdrawing US support will also be the thing that ends Israel as a state, and would break at least 2 treaties of the top of my head


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 8:30 pm
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its plainly a bit of party politics looking to the holyrood election

The SNP already have the seats at Holyrood to compensate larger families for the effects of the cap by topping up their payments…  and with the language being used, I honestly thought they already were… but a quick search suggests otherwise. Anyone know for sure?

No idea how big the “Rebellion” will be. Still think policy in this area will change next year in some form.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 8:51 pm
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You’re probably right, but withdrawing US support will also be the thing that ends Israel as a state, and would break at least 2 treaties of the top of my head

Not if Isreal agrees a one secuilar state or a decent two state solution based on the 67 borders and given how much illegality Isreal is guilty of........


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:00 pm
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first test of Starmers authority.  good on the SNP for doing this tho its plainly a bit of party politics looking to the holyrood election.  Its all about making the Red tories / two cheeks of the same arse stick

Great! We’re 3 weeks into getting rid of the Tories after 14 years and the SNP are point scoring and trying to undermine the government, who they probably agree with 90% of policy with

So there’s you’re argument against proportional representation, right there

Sixth form level politics in action.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:03 pm
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Rebellion of 7 following a 3 line whip and threat of removal of the whip

The SNP already have the seats at Holyrood to compensate larger families for the effects of the cap by topping up their payments…  and with the language being used, I honestly thought they already were

We have the "scottish child payment" which mitigates the effects of the two child benefit cap but the SNP has neither the power nor the budget to remove its ill effects completely.

Edit - Binners you know they are right and that labours retenti8on of the 2 child cap is indefensible - I know you know this as you hav e not made any attempt to do so

dunno what it has to do with PR either.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:04 pm
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A two state entity would mean a return to the status quo ante, an  apartheid state and a super-exploited dependent state of refugees. Not going to happen. A single secular democratic state based on equality for all is the only answer. 


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:15 pm
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Not if its based on the 67 borders????


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:17 pm
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Quite so


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:20 pm
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I too don't get what the SNP are doing...or even how they get to do it.  They've got what..8 MPs?, the vast majority of the population can't vote for them, why do they get to potentially influence UK-wide policy?  (And I'd say the same if was Plaid, or DUP etc).  Weird system.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:26 pm
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Sixth form level politics in action.

God help being on the right side of an argument.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:27 pm
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I too don’t get what the SNP are doing…or even how they get to do it. They’ve got what..8 MPs?, the vast majority of the population can’t vote for them, why do they get to potentially influence UK-wide policy? (And I’d say the same if was Plaid, or DUP etc). Weird system.

UK wide policy affects Scotland.  They are representing their constituents same as any MP.  they like all MPs and parties have the right to propose amendments.  the speaker selects which amendments go to a vote

What they are doing is twofold 1) ending the 2 child benefit cap is the right thing to do and 2) its a nice bit of signalling for the next holyrood election by painting Labour as in favour of this cap and thus as bad as the tories


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:31 pm
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They’ve got what..8 MPs?, the vast majority of the population can’t vote for them, why do they get to potentially influence UK-wide policy?  (And I’d say the same if was Plaid, or DUP etc).

Are you suggesting that Scotland shouldn't get to elect any MPs given that they already have a devolved government, or that the parties available to Scottish voters should only be those available at the UK level? *

* - you might want to check which parties are available to all UK voters


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:34 pm
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1) the SNP gets to influence UK policy because err they represent UK constituencies. If they propose something that has no support outside their party, it will sink without a trace. I don't think that will happen here.

2) Practically no-one in Israel and Palestine wants a single, binational, secular state. It's a dream of foreigners and mad idealists alone. Plenty of people want a one state solution (in which the other lot have been run off the land).

3) the suggestion that the UK can simply cancel arms exports licences to Israel is ignoring one thing: Israel is transferring plenty of arms to the UK. The Elbit offices here are for selling, not buying. That's pain that could go two ways. Some people might think that's worth it - but in any case it's more complicated than "UK should turn off the tap".

4) it's a myth that Israel will have to do whatever the US tells it to, and Washington simply needs to decide. Removing US support would be painful but not insurmountable - 1947 was fought with Czech weapons, 1967 was fought with French planes, and since then the Israelis have been very careful not to be dependent on others. They are sufficiently friendly with France and Russia and Turkey that they would not struggle to find alternate suppliers if they needed them.


 
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Blimey this 'sixth form'stuff is so tedious, coming from a Gumby with a chip butty on both shoulders having been told at sixteen he wasn't suitable for further education. Give us a 'king break. Amongst my former (working class) students you'll find an MP, a judge, a number of solicitors, a head teacher, all doing something a bit useful. And they had good socialist politics as sixth formers, by degrading them you degrade yourself, massively.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:41 pm
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Those 7 MP's with the whip suspended for 6 months are some of the real talent in Labour. Sultana, Burgon....if I were them, I'd be looking at a defection to the Greens. They're both Labour and Co-operative I believe, so fairly aligned with the vast majority of the Green policies.

This is why I'm not a Labour voter or supporter anymore. The feel good start period is definitely over.


 
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Talent clearly not needed at the moment. If they pop off to the greens I doubt they will be missed and their loss numerical is irrelevant at the moment. I'm sure there will be lots of short term noise but meh.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:48 pm
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Seven rebels are insignificant and they are the awkward squad anyway.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:50 pm
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The bit I find strange about the rebels voting for the SNP amendment is that they fought the last General Election a few weeks ago with a manifesto that stated that Labour want to abolish the 2 child cap, but only when the government finances are in a better state.  So it is hardly surprising that the party had a three line whip and tehn suspended them for 6 months.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 9:53 pm
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Especially as Starmer has recently been making  noises suggesting he's open to it anyway.


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 10:14 pm
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Blimey this ‘sixth form’stuff is so tedious, coming from a Gumby with a chip butty on both shoulders having been told at sixteen he wasn’t suitable for further education.

In the 20+ year history of STW and all the countless insults that have been flung, this is right up there with the very best of them @BillMC !

Not that I disagree with you of course… Binners is showing the kind of blind loyalty to partisan politics that only the most hardened of football supporters could show… Besides @Binners, I bet it wouldn’t be too hard to unearth evidence of you arguing the case for Proportional Representation historically!

Starmer is grossly overstating both his popularity, and also his ability to rule with an iron fist. Don’t get me wrong, in his first 2 weeks he has done plenty of good (but then so would anyone else who wasn’t a Tory quite frankly!), but he’s really screwed the pooch here… There might have only been 7 official dissident voices, but there’s an awful lot who have clearly abstained and given how Labour stated they wish to abolish the 2 child cap themselves as and when fiscally prudent to do so, it seems absolutely ludicrous to have enforced a 3 line whip for “dissenting” voices here, as those voices technically aren’t dissenting, they merely wish for the process to be hurried up!

Starmer might have been the blunt tool the Labour Party needed to make it electable, but it’s precisely his gross lack of respect for democracy that meant I couldn’t vote for him, that will be his undoing much sooner rather than later I suspect… Especially given how the Labour Party should be trying desperately hard to instill public confidence in MP’s for respecting democracy, not undermining it even further…


 
Posted : 23/07/2024 10:15 pm
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I thought John McDonnell had disappeared, but no, still around Parliament in his 70s, well i guess he's got a few months to take it easy now and go back to focusing on his campaign group.


 
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