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If Tory failure is mostly behind his success, what happened at all the other elections since 2010?
You haven't noticed that the Tories seem to have been on some sort of kamikaze mission since Johnson?
"Why wouldn’t I want a Labour government to succeed?"
Well you have spent the last 18 months slagging Starmer to tedious levels, to the point I wondered if you had some wierd desire for ongoing tory rule as a catalyst for some kind of revolution, without any pragmatic acceptance that Starmer might be making compromises to achieve an election result. Perhaps there was a clue in that?
"And I am not a “corbynite”."
That does genuinely surprise me given the monotonous criticism of Starmer, but fair enough, I accept that!
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Tom-B
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I’m flagging ? really want to see the mass Tory losses from 2:30am onwards!
Me too, I'm tempted to have an energy drink but if I do then I'll go to bed and not sleep!
Gah! I think I'll hold on for another scalp or two then go to bed pretty damned happy.
I think there needs to be acknowledgement of how well the Labour campaign was run, very few mistakes and pretty disciplined.
Really? He came ****ing close to losing my vote yesterday since voting to get a tory out isnt a vote for his mandate of pandering to tories and certainly not to his love in with the sun with the odd overlap of his ruling out the EU rejoining and Murdochs pat on the back.
I think with reforms vote share becoming apparent it’s easier to see why the campaign was cautious and needed to put Brexit to bed. For the moment.
No it really isnt if you actually look at the raw data for the counts to date.
So far its tory/ukip switching to reform/tory with a drop in votes. Although its hard to tell since several constituencies have changed.
The rest of your claims are on equally flimsy foundation.
He is both promising change but also pandering to the ****wits who voted for the tories that there will be no real change.
Good luck squaring that.
Edit: A quick look at a recent guardian update gives the prediction that the turnout is on the low side. Which is a problem. Why isnt the glorious leader getting people out to vote?
Looks like Rishi has taken a final massive dump on everyone’s living room carpet with his honours list. So far Chris Grayling and Theresa Coffey. Seriously?
Comparing Corbyn and Starmer, I would choose the former over the latter any day.
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https://matteason.co.uk/scream/?
Posted earlier. A scream each time a non Tory wins a seat. I am enjoying it doing its thing in the background
we need to start thinking about mandatory voting 55% turn out is an embarrassment!
Tom-B
Free Member@Northwind Reform guy on BBC was straight in with the PR calls.
Yep but just empty noise, like I say I don't believe it'll ever amount to more than that. A bit of victimhood, a bit of "we wuz robbed" but no actual desire or move for change.
So far Chris Grayling and Theresa Coffey. Seriously
I mean, **** me sideways ..... genuinely they're so ridiculous that they just further undermine the system.
Well you have spent the last 18 months slagging Starmer
I have criticised Starmer when he has proclaimed policies very similar to the Tories,. If I don't support the Tories why ffs would I support repackaged Tory policies?
When Starmer has proclaimed policies which offer a real alternative to the Tories I have hugely supported him. For example Starmer's 10 Pledges based on the moral case for socialism, have you read them? They were brilliant and spot on.
As I said, politics isn't some sort of game for me where you pick a side and just stick with it. For me it's about real and meaningful change. Otherwise I'm not interested.
So far Chris Grayling and Theresa Coffey. Seriously?
On the grounds of how much it would annoy mad nads? I would definitely get a list of ****wits and then randomly choose a few just for a giggle.
However there are several good reasons I shouldnt be put in charge of the country including the fact that when my dodgy sense of humour is put against duty the latter normally wins but it can be close.
A bit of victimhood, a bit of “we wuz robbed” but no actual desire or move for change.
I really hope you're right.
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Thanks mate. That was working a couple of days ago fine. No idea why is was switched off. Hey, user comms is outdated in the new MVP world yeah!
Really? He came * close to losing my vote yesterday since voting to get a tory out isnt a vote for his mandate of pandering to tories and certainly not to his love in with the sun with the odd overlap of his ruling out the EU rejoining and Murdochs pat on the back.
Whatever Labour said or did they were going to lose some people's votes. They simply had to win more than they lost and it looks like they got it right. Well, not looks like, they have got it right.
The rest of your claims are on equally flimsy foundation.
Well hell, none of us are professional politicians or pollsters.
He is both promising change but also pandering to the * who voted for the tories that there will be no real change.
Good luck squaring that.
"Pandering" to voters that didn't vote for you the last few times is how elections are won. Theres nothing to square. It's obvious you aren't happy with where labour currently are but it's just not how many, many others feel, including myself. Tonight Labour are exactly where I want them to be.
libdems throwing a spanner in the works over the exit poll 😕
As I said, politics isn’t some sort of game for me where you pick a side and just stick with it. For me it’s about real and meaningful change. Otherwise I’m not interested.
This ^^^
we need to start thinking about mandatory voting 55% turn out is an embarrassment
Ok so I have to walk there to write "I hate them all" or just a quick anatomical drawing?
Mandatory voting is just addressing a symptom not the cause.
Whilst I could get behind mandatory voting if it came with a day off (work a lot with India bods and I was annoyed they get the day off to vote. That said their descriptions varied from needing a day being reasonable (living in a congested area where they were expected to move back behind oaps and so would be there for hours) vs someone who had a booth in their seemingly exclusive block of flats and needed minutes) if is a flawed idea.
If people arent turning out to vote then you need to address why not simply pass a law telling them to.
As an aside, what’s everyone doing for sustenance? I’ve just cracked open a second bottle of red (a nice Doura) and inhaled a whole pack of rolitto’s
I have made sure I’ve nowt on tomorrow. This may get messy
As an aside, what’s everyone doing for sustenance? I’ve just cracked open a second bottle of red (a nice Doura) and inhaled a whole pack of rolitto’s
I just ate a pork pie. Feeling a bit sick now.
we need to start thinking about mandatory voting 55% turn out is an embarrassment!
Are you embarrassed? It sounds foolish if you think about it. Low turnout is a failure of politicians, not of voters. Politicians (and our media) need to provide compelling reasons to voters to turn out. Hopefully Labour delivers automatic voter registration: the actual turnout is even lower as millions are missing from the roll.
Gillian Keegan is gone!
She lost to the Lib Dems!
Keep ‘em coming!
Oh ****ing jesus Francois has won
we need to start thinking about mandatory voting 55% turn out is an embarrassment
They have mandatory voting in Australia. That's how you end up with novelty parties and microparties like the Australian Motorists' Party and the Hunters & Shooters Party. They end up taking unpredictable extreme policies on topics that are totally outside their mandate.
Richard Holdens chicken run has gone to a recount. A possible loss to Reform. 20 votes in it!
A few entertaining spoiled papers so far.
SCUM features quite heavily. One person had gone to a fair bit of trouble to critique each candidate individually.
Some comments about Gaza.
The most heartbreaking was this:
I cannot in good faith give any of these my vote. This is a sad day for the UK.
There was also a very sweary comment next to Reform on one paper which would result in a ban if I even tried to replicate it here.
Indication thus far is that Labour are romping home here although it's worrying how much support Reform has. More votes than the Tories in some areas!
It's always been a strongly Labour constituency though.
I have criticised Starmer when he has proclaimed policies very similar to the Tories,
Please point me to any post where you have said anything positive about Starmer? Allow me the catharis of calling out all the aholes who continuously criticized the non-corbyn labour journey during the last 8 years?
Tbf I share your frustration that it seams different shades of the same colour, however as Campbell said in an interview with everyone lefties fave grifter O Jones, in '97 Labour wanted to do so much more but couldnt risk it with the press. Starmer has done whats needed to achieve a result.
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Options seem to change though.
Strike through is now missing(at least on mine) and last week i could change the font colour, which is also now missing.
Maybe with that it was to entice you with oooh look, we can have colours, before snatching it away and no doubt laughing manically.
Edit: image is missing to. cant upload direct from my own pics.
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binners
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As an aside, what’s everyone doing for sustenance? I’ve just cracked open a second bottle of red (a nice Doura) and inhaled a whole pack of rolitto’s
Coop vodka which is bloody horrible. I mean, I dont like vodka anyway (long story why I have it...) but this is putrid.
That and a spicy cheese slice.
Christ, this explains a lot of why I'm not very healthy at the moment. ?
30p Lee could be out in 10 minutes. Close call there
Oh **** jesus Francois has won
To be fair in these worrying times I want an elite soldier like him ready to stand in parliament to fight off Pride and his men.
Options seem to change though.
Strike through is now missing(at least on mine) and last week i could change the font colour, which is also now missing.
Strike though has also gone for me. I can no longer put a picture in nice and easy, I'm having to use 3rd party hosting again. Lots of tinkering going on I suppose.
Tom-B
Free Member
Oh **** jesus Francois has won.
Yeah, imagine thinking he is the best option. Mad!
They have mandatory voting in Australia. That’s how you end up with novelty parties and microparties like the Australian Motorists’ Party and the Hunters & Shooters Party. They end up taking unpredictable extreme policies on topics that are totally outside their mandate.
I'm on the fence about the mandatory voting aspect. Especially when you have to vote for two houses and preferential voting, it gets confusing. But it also means lots of donkey voting, or people like a fireman friend of mine who this year chose to pay a fine than leaving the pub to go and vote (all voting is on a Saturday here and closes at 6pm to make it easier for people).
The novelty parties really don't have any impact - just like the raving loonies. But nobody like the Reform party has come anywhere near the success they're predicting.
Indication thus far is that Labour are romping home here although it’s worrying how much support Reform has.
It does seem mostly a conversion from tory to Farage ltd. Not a great sign since I would prefer a proper right wing opposition rather than Farages personal company masquerading as a party but they have done a good job of selling themselves as a change rather than just using the slogan "change" and then not giving any obviously better policies.
