@stumpyjon As above, I honestly think the answer is a proportionally elected chamber with longish terms electing a proportion at a time to smooth out any swings. Remember that the way the commons looks the way it does is an effect of FPTP; a proportionally elected chamber is unlikely to have an outright majority and should in theory lend itself to more consensus based politics, which would reduce the idiocy.
PR should be a priority!
Doubtless the tories will gnash and wail , but with the expected labour majority it shouldn't take too much statistical manipulation to show them and their followers that with it they would indeed have won more seats, and hence the world would be a fairer place....
They'll probably still get my vote because of tactical but the Libdems are really pushing me hard to laugh them off my doorstep. If they can't proofread a leaflet, what else can't they be trusted on the detail of 😉
his ability to navigate politics and get stuff done is legendary.
Combine his policies that were so damaging, with his ability to get them pushed through=probably the most damage done to society since Thatcher. I genuinely view him as on a par with her in terms of the damage that he’s done to this country.
Someone else who agrees with you:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/michael-gove-tories-leaves-significant-political-legacy-3074728
The present Tory unpopularity is a once in a lifetime opportunity for real change. I'm still not convinced labour aren't about to **** it up!
In a warm and fuzzy way? 😉
Exactly like that!
The present Tory unpopularity is a once in a lifetime opportunity for real change.
Once in 200 years!
Support for the Tory Party has never fallen below 30% in any general election in the last 200 years.
Every single opinion poll since the beginning of October last year has support for the Tories at less than 30%.
We are now only six weeks away from the general election. I will not be in the slightest bit surprised if the Tories don't hit 30%, especially considering how badly things have kicked off.
A sensible 2nd chamber idea could involve turning House of Commons into an English parliament, with HoL becoming an elected UK upper chamber for reviewing legislation from all 4 UK lower chambers within a federated UK.
No bishops or washed up old politicos or dodgy business folk need to be appointed
Go back and read it properly. Every word, read every word.
You'll kick yourself.
Keir Starmer's eighth pledge, which he made in 2020, was fine:
8. Radical devolution of power, wealth and opportunity
Push power, wealth and opportunity away from Whitehall. A federal system to devolve powers – including through regional investment banks and control over regional industrial strategy. Abolish the House of Lords – replace it with an elected chamber of regions and nations.
I can't see anything wrong with that.
I actually find your contempt for “the population” quite insulating. But there you are…..we all have our different points of view.
So you're OK with the population voting for Brexit, 14 years of Tory rule, destruction of public services, demonisation of anyone deemed to be other because that's what people voted for, again and again. You're entitled to your point of view of course but personally I'd rather live in a country where there is some mutual respect and universal support for people who need it. Shame that's not what people voted for but if you're happy to support people voting on the grounds of ignorance and intolerance crack on.
If they can’t proofread a leaflet, what else can’t they be trusted on the detail of
Is the answer other unimportant issues?
OK, comment withdrawn. It wasn't serious. Sorry for any slight distraction from the bighitter circular bickering.
FFS
@theotherjonv we just can't see what your point is, I've read it twice now which is twice as many times as I care to and am now bored. So once again, for the hard of thinking, what are you on about?
Is it the non-traditional spelling of 'Zöe' which the Guildford LDs website suggests is how she spells it?
Intrigued what I'm not seeing now.
What are the second and third words of the headline?
Oops.
I reckon there are two missing words that somehow didn't get printed, "c**ts and"
OK, comment withdrawn. It wasn’t serious.
Okay but on a side note I quite like the idea that the LibDem election leaflet being pushed through letterboxes in Guildford might contain spelling errors.
It suggests that instead of a slick professionally produced leaflet from the national party local party members have produced their own leaflet discussing local issues.
Part of the problem with contemporary politics imo is that it is marketed as a business and with little actual substance and conviction. Although still a long way away we are moving ever closer to the American model of politics.
What are the second and third words of the headline?
Oh ffs, can't see the woods for the trees!
Yup, repeated words are a recurring problem are a problem which forever baffles me. I'm constantly having to strike them out.
Ho ho
And then put in a maximum voting age of 60
So people who are still economically active will be banned, makes no sense. However I'd like to see a maximum age for standing for election of 67 and a maximum age to hold office of 72.
How about (based on a made up life expectancy of 78) you get 60 voting points at 18 and it then drops by one a year as you get older. The young (who traditionally aren’t great at actually voting I know) have on average to live with the consequences for longer of a dubious administration, referendum result of the like and therefore should be listened to more.
I am open to variations on the points scheme - perhaps as simple as 110 minus your age so as not to disenfranchise the old (well not as much) and to account for different voting ages for different elections.
For reference I am shortly to be 53.
https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1794443322641047575
The very latest Opinium poll, fieldwork done yesterday and Thursday.
Opinium because of their methodology have consistently been more generous to the Tories than other pollsters. I suspect that they are likely to be the most accurate.
Its still a comfortable Labour lead but a lot can happen between now and July 4th.
Interesting chat with my brexity sister in law today
She's very angry at farage for ditching reform & running off to America & doesn't like Tice
Won't vote Labour & doesn't like Sunak, so has no idea whether she'll bother voting
That opinium poll has reform lower than others too and I can see that bearing out.
She’s very angry at farage for ditching reform & running off to America & doesn’t like Tice
Eh? Hasn't he taken time off from GB News to campaign for Reform UK?
What were the chances that he would have been a candidate in her constituency anyway?
The poll posted above states 55% currently believe it was wrong for the UK to leave the EU. I can only see that increasing, especially if 16 & 17 year olds are allowed to vote in 2029
Why do you think 16 and 17 year olds would be particularly interested in something that happened when they were 6 or 7 years old based on a vote that happened when they were 2 or 3 years old?
A sensible 2nd chamber idea could involve turning House of Commons into an English parliament, with HoL becoming an elected UK upper chamber for reviewing legislation from all 4 UK lower chambers within a federated UK.
Apart from the fact that the English electorate has no interest in a devolved legal parliament, your suggestion would:
- be much worse for Scotland and Wales (and nuclear for NI) because you'd have a UK legislature in a position to veto devolved legislation
- not have a space for legislating on issues that aren't devolved to turn assemblies eg foreign policy.
Wowzers
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1794473571420368971?t=FZXJQqiXVfp0r9sU-IPZmQ&s=19
I'm not sure this is well thought out, I suppose they've anyway lost the youth vote anyway, but still not sure how popular this is with older voters?
Eh? Hasn’t he taken time off from GB News to campaign for Reform UK?
No, he's buggered off to grift in the US
Eh? Hasn’t he taken time off from GB News to campaign for Reform UK?
She's upset because he's not running as an MP
And she wanted him to lead the party
She gets all her knowledge of the world from GBNews
Is it wrong to hope farage will be flying by light plane again, and doesn't get so lunch this time?
I’m not sure this is well thought out, I suppose they’ve anyway lost the youth vote anyway, but still not sure how popular this is with older voters?
It will be as welcome as a fart in a lift with the forces chiefs of staff. All those couldn't give a **** recruits to manage for a year.
Well I for one think mandatory volunteering is a fantastic idea, I'd like to see any of you lot come up with something better when you're smashed out your face on whatever he's been having.
I’m not sure this is well thought out, I suppose they’ve anyway lost the youth vote anyway, but still not sure how popular this is with older voters?
going by the fail (or the tory faithful) comments section I don't think this is the policy they are looking for.
going by the fail (or the tory faithful) comments section I don’t think this the policy they are looking for.
Yeah I read that too. They seem to hate the policy for mainly the same reason that I think it might possibly be a good idea.
The idea of having an army full of kids who hate the army, and everything about it, fills them with complete horror. I actually think that it's quite healthy. After all the US draft played a significant role in ending the Vietnam war.
But yeah, I think the geezer has lost his mind. He seems to be on a mission to secure a huge landslide victory for Labour.
Starmer must be wondering what the hell he has done to deserve such recurring good luck.
And then put in a maximum voting age of 60
I'll be happy to stop voting if it means I'm not paying any tax.
Why do you think 16 and 17 year olds would be particularly interested in something that happened when they were 6 or 7 years old based on a vote that happened when they were 2 or 3 years old?
The demographic gets increasingly anti-brexit the younger the population. My guess is young people are quite unimpressed with the shitshow we have given them
Interestingly as well since the Election date was called intention to vote has increased dramatically, particularly among 18-24 year olds, with an increase in 17 points!
just looked @ uk population by age group, the Army could have to find facilities to house 1 million new recruits 😕
But yeah, I think the geezer has lost his mind. He seems to be on a mission to secure a huge landslide victory for Labour.
I actually think this is Sunak and Hunts plan. They have trashed the country so badly, time for a quick exit, and then start blaming the next government for all of it.
Edit: Also I think they realise will lose to Labour so will come up with increasingly batshit promises (like national service) in the hope they hold off Reform. It must have been a moment of "clarity" when they came up with that one ha ha
“I’ll be happy to stop voting if it means I’m not paying any tax.”
sadly that’s not how it works. My wife pays a hell of a lot of tax yet isn’t allowed to vote in anything other than local elections…
