DD - the Swiss are very good too. Spend their time chatting to the kids, which the kids love, makes them feel important, while all the time just gently watching the parents reaction. I suspect if you have something to hide it's pretty stressful.
They don't ask me difficult questions at all coz I am legit.
Are they not even suspicious of the frequent change in register of your language?
They were suspicious of how I look rather than what I said tbh because I look like those "Miami Vice" criminals I guess. They would ask me certain routine questions where I just answered them honestly. All checked out fine so they had no other questions to ask. Max 5 mins.CharlieMungus - Member
Are they not even suspicious of the frequent change in register of your language?They don't ask me difficult questions at all coz I am legit
Sometimes they asked me about where I visited so I just gave them honest response because it really is boring coz I don't do much. Really ... not much ... eat, drink, sleep, sit around or smoke roll-ups then eat drink sleep chat ... nothing much. Holiday for me is just that. Do nothing. 😆
To answer part of your question rich, yes; immigration officers can deny eu nationals entry to the uk but only apparently in rare circumstances. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101449 ]This article[/url] from last year explains the basis on which they can do so, and how often it happens. In addition, there will be a significant number of eu nationals who remain subject to deportation orders on criminality or other grounds who will be denied entry if they try to re-enter.
I wondered also, given the number of eu rough sleepers who are being removed from the uk, the IOs may be trying to establish whether those entering have any intention/prospect of exercising treaty rights in the uk, however it appears (i may be wrong!) they wouldn't have the power to prevent entry on this basis.
Really, the boarder police/guards are not asking questions randomly or to simply pass the time or to annoy people they don't like the look of. They are all briefed to look out for a particular known 'threat'. They're working closely with all the usual security forces who are working with other countries security forces. They're looking for domestic criminals as much as foreign national trying to get into the country with dodgy intentions - and there are alot. I've got a mate who works at an airport and works closely with the security forces and a friend of the family works as a passport control officer and hundreds of people every day are stopped who are either trying to get into the country wth dodgy documents or are known to the security services and trying to enter the country with unpleasant intentions. Nothing to do with being racist or prejudiced - these people are professionals and doing a very deliberate job. We should be thankful in our ignorance and if stopped be as polite and helpful as possible.
I think if we demand to live in an open and free society as small amount of inconvenience occasionally at the airport is a small price to pay.
There boarder guards have every right to stop absolutely anybody they like and ask them anything they like to satisfy themselves that they are not a threat or trying to enter the country under false pretences. They do a great job -they may not be at the front line like the firemen, policemen etc. and attract all the thanks and praise when something cracks off, but they are doing just as important and good a job.
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Nothing to do with being racist or prejudiced - these people are professionals and doing a very deliberate job. We should be thankful in our ignorance and if stopped be as polite and helpful as possible.
They were doing their jobs and all the time they were fine with me.
My description of "Miami vice" is due to me ...
... carrying some metal items ...
The first time it was key ring with metal wire that could be used to strangle someone, yes it can. 😆
The second time it was a metal block that the scanner could not scan so require special check. 😛
Then follow by all the questions ...
edit: I was carrying metal material gifts for mates back home ... 😆
@crashtest thats the sort of stories I have heard. The French have similar issues. I was doing my best to be relatively PC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0188t37
This is from 2013, in which case it's been replayed or cited recently as my memory isn't [i]that[/i] good.
Romanians are "the second most arrested immigrant group, but only the ninth most populous immigrant community". And their own ambassador says in the interview "64% of all crimes committed in the UK by Romanians are for low risk criminality such as theft, shoplifting and begging" which tallies with the organised gangs I mentioned.
*I was impressed with the questioning tactics. It was all very friendly, It was interesting that she never really let me finish a an answer to a question without starting her next one...all about lulling you into dropping your guard and "getting your answers wrong" I guess.
I had this at a Sydney Airport carousel years ago from two boarder people, cottoned on they pretty much were focusing on the same few things asking many questions over and over in very different ways, money, length of visit, who you were visiting, where you were staying/going etc. It's years ago so I can't now recall exactly the way it went, but at the time I thought it was brilliant the way they led it and didn't let me catch breath before firing the same question again but in a completely different way to confirm an answer I'd given four questions ago, it was all intertwined, questions and answers on one subject confirming questions and answers on another subject. I had nothing to hide so was happy going with it, but thought afterwards it would be really difficult to sustain a lie without tripping up.
Errm ok
Well here is my point of view
We use agency staff and I run the teams (one of many of my jobs).
Had a Romanian girl working for me in Feb and she was shit hot, hard working, reliable and honest.
We have just had another pile of work where we require agency staff it took me 3 weeks to get her back she was shocked I'd been asking the agency for weeks for her.
Once again her work it top of the pile, cannot fault her if I could I get my boss to take her on full time contract, I would.
I've a Slovakia lad who pretty much works with me full time, at home he was a school teacher, teaching History. Secondary School.
He as been working with me for 7 months, once again great guy honest hard working reliable. I had to UK nationals before him one lasted 2 weeks one lasted 1 month both were shit, lazy and unreliable.
What we need is some type of immigration system where we can keep the good ones and not let in the bad ones... 😆
Not even on holiday!
.the boarder police/guards are not asking questions randomly or to simply pass the time or to annoy people they don't like the look of
While I'm sure that is true, there was an official st Southampton airport who always asked to see my passport just before entering customs. This would happen if I were traveling for work or returning from a holiday, probably 6 occasions in total.
They obviously couldn't catch the person they were looking for. Probably because the authorities at other airports weren't looking for that person. In fact, other officials at Southampton airport weren't looking for that person either.
I came to the conclusion that he had a crush on me, didn't like the look of me or that he was bored.
What we need is some type of birth system where we can keep the good ones and not let out the bad ones...
I think we should just all accept that you being a victim of crime is a result of you being genetically/financially inferior. 😀 Being a victim of crime is for lower middle class people!
On a serious note, welcome to the big interconnected capitalist world guys - hadn't you noticed the world has been getting smaller since the ****ing invention of flight! It's not the 1910's anymore - half the world can afford to to fly over to your country and burgle you. The poor and displaced of the world have only just cottoned on to this, and the affluent world hasn't even realised that they actually have to share the planet with 5-6 billion other people!
Fun times ahead bros!
#thenationstateisdead
we had local chelsea lads working in the stores department at a big london research institute,
constant issues with stuff going missing- laptops, amazon packages etc etc
got so most people didnt want stuff delivered to work
Investigations were launched but nothing ever proved, (usually blamed drivers etc)
Works xmas party police catch the stores team getting high in the loading bay, they also end up having some coke and pills on them
so they all got fired, got a load of Polish agency staff in for the new year and it was an amazing change, not only did things stop getting 'lost' , but they were just so much more efficient, so they were all made permanent, just made everyones lives easier!
its all anecdotal obvs, but no one missed the cheeky chelsea wideboys!
I've noticed that returning to the uk, the kids get an awful lot of friendly chatty type questions thrown their way. I assume it's because they've changed so much since their passports were issued, whereas my wife and I look the same.
It's a border ffs, not a boarder.
And breathe....
Really, the boarder police/guards are not asking questions randomly or to simply pass the time or to annoy people they don't like the look of.
Yes they are .... it doesn't mean they are not ALSO
They are all briefed to look out for a particular known 'threat'. They're working closely with all the usual security forces who are working with other countries security forces.
I'm currently writing a report and running some analytics.... in between analytics runs and pasting results I'm bored and exercising my prejudice for single track bikes and randomly selecting some posts.
Had a Romanian girl working for me in Feb and she was shit hot, hard working, reliable and honest.
We have just had another pile of work where we require agency staff it took me 3 weeks to get her back she was shocked I'd been asking the agency for weeks for her.
Once again her work it top of the pile, cannot fault her if I could I get my boss to take her on full time contract, I would.
Yep... had the same and worked with 3 professional Romanians...
HOWEVER ... just ask them. They don't trust the dodgy types either and Romania has a high percentage of them. Nor do other Eastern European countries.
I had some dodgy Romanians turn up the other morning looking for a house number. They were shifty to start with but when I read their phone (to see the address) and realised they were Romanian it did make a difference. I was about to leave the house and with the Slovakian builders next door I'd have left the window unlocked.
I think it's important that being PC doesn't obscure facts.....
I just dropped the kid off at school... unusually took the car and found a legal parking space.... Lots of parents couldn't be bothered or were unable to park legally... A very high percentage of them were wearing veils....
I'm not sure what that means... on one hand perhaps they could have parked where I did... as they couldn't actually see to reverse.... (why should it even be allowed is another story) ... on the other perhaps they just don't feel compelled to follow our laws ???
Regardless the reason for the yellow lines is to stop children dying!
So I started wondering (as I was queued in traffic) perhaps they should just make some special parking for women who wear veils?
On one hand I find it offensive we should have to.... on the other if it saves a kid being injured or killed WTF! Quite frankly I'd disqualify anyone wearing a veil from driving.
HOWEVER ... non of those will happen as it is not PC to even recognise the fact that there is a correlation between women who drive in veils and "parking" (I use that term very loosely) dangerously.
Coincidentally I did wave at a legally parked mother I know who happens to be Slovenian she then pulled off and a veiled mother then ignored the free space (literally next to her but required reversing) and just left her car in the middle of the road (quite literally middle) leaving other parents to have to drive through the legal parking space to get round her car...
To me this seems like we actually missed the whole point.
No-one dare question it... or they are branded racist yet it's plain to see.
I'm not sure what that means... on one hand perhaps they could have parked where I did... as they couldn't actually see to reverse.... (why should it even be allowed is another story) ... on the other perhaps they just don't feel compelled to follow our laws ???Regardless the reason for the yellow lines is to stop children dying!
So I started wondering (as I was queued in traffic) perhaps they should just make some special parking for women who wear veils?
how about just not letting women drive? (See, maybe the Saudi's had it right all along...)
stevextc - I don't ever want to be on what you have just taken.
stevextc - I don't ever want to be on what you have just taken.
I just took a simple dose of reality followed by sitting in traffic and letting my mind wander.
The UK has got PC to the point that respectable immigrants are scared to point out reality about subsets their own countrymen/women.
Riding the wrong way a one way trail with a few blind bends and jumps is just plain stupid...
So is driving in a veil that obscures your vision....
The fact that one is done by White English blokes and the other almost exclusively by women of one religion doesn't make it more or less stupid...
Was anyone at Swinley on Sunday ???
Bunch of riders riding UP the new dropoffs/table top.... [u]repeatedly[/u]even AFTER one of them going down hit one of them going up... slamming on the brakes half way down and people having to try and avoid them mid air... didn't understand the idea of a queue....
As my kid was riding I had to stop him riding until they left... I had tried to point out that riding up the trail was dangerous but I was told "they were registered deaf" .. as if that made it OK or how dare I point this out to a registered disabled person??? They just continued so we waited for them to leave...
Caught up with them later blocking the trail .. bikes scattered lying across the trail
You'd think not being able to hear other riders would mean they might want to be extra careful.... but nope.. it just means no-one is allowed to say anything.
In contrast, earlier this year I was on the motorbike in Morocco for a few days and rode back home via Spain. Passport was stamped in Morocco yet I was not asked any questions at Spanish or UK borders, not were any of my bags searched, before to rode home via central London. Can’t quite remember exactly which bridge I crossed but somewhere vaguely Whitehall-ish
Rachel
Building on ninfan's comment, why not just ban children being dropped off at school, or even just ban children? 😉
Actually if we banned children we would remove 600,000 plus non-productive types from E&W alone every year. That would create the space for allowing immigrants in, who lets face it contribute more to the economy than children do. In fact we could even increase immigration.
