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what do we recon om donnies first tweet (his 12hrs are up)... denounce pence & the gop, congratulate his base on a valiant effort. Though they may have taken his phone off him
The problem is , people like Elizabeth are become more normalised. The old joke about the US being made up of the inner states where inbreeding and insularness is alarmingly looking quite accurate !
what do we recon om donnies first tweet
He already released a statement that was a (short and very snidey) concession.
Hopefully that means one of his handlers has told him to tone it down before more people die.
@GrahamS is the tiktok woman rolling her eyes a person or one of the Team America puppets? Can't actually tell! 🤔
You do have to balance this out just a tiny bit. I am uneducated do go with the flow.
Right to protest, free speach, carry arms and all the entitlement of the American constitution
Any sort of riot, call in SWAT, National Guard to quell freedom and ypu become a commie, military dictatorship, kim jon unn, Using military forces to remove the protesters goes against this.
Add in huge numbers of covid plague carrier's who are in your face. Hold the line till an evac had taken place then let them in to shout at thin air.
The pics of the rednecks happy to wandet around as if on a day trip from Missisippi didn't show much malice or aggression on the newsfeeds.
Shooting them en masse might have backfired snd escalated things, but by christ they are thick.
Plus remember this is tiny percentage of Americans, a few hundred in a country of millions.
No wasn’t a barb at Starmer, more the tories who lined up to kiss his arse. It is however a reminder that what some may call pointless virtue signalling is actually just an exercise in being principled.
It's a bit of a stretch to be congratulating Magic Grandad on the company he's chosen to keep over the years.
I actually kind of agree that using force after it had started could have made things much worse, especially as police were massively outnumbered.
But this insurrection has been talked about for weeks on social media. A large show of force, behind the barricades, before it all kicked off, could have prevented it.
The pics of the rednecks happy to wandet around as if on a day trip from Missisippi didn’t show much malice or aggression on the newsfeeds.
They seemed pumped up and ready for a fight in the ITV piece posted earlier.
It all turned a bit....
..... after the first seditious malcontent got shot. If it were France that lost it like this, the media would be reporting on complete carnage.
But this insurrection has been talked about for weeks on social media. A large show of force, behind the barricades, before it all kicked off, could have prevented it.
Yup, if there had been riots shields etc like last night when they cleared the capitol, there may well have been violence but at least it would have been outside of the building.
Also in the US yesterday:
260,000 new Covid cases
4100 Covid deaths
Biden is in for a hell of a tough few months!
It's absolutely bonkers the number of Americans who actually believe that Trump won the election and the whole thing is a fraud, but then we've just had a vote where 52% of the population were told that the NHS would get another 350 million quid a week and we were about to see 3 million Turkish immigrants, so I guess we're not in a position to be judging
what do we recon om donnies first tweet
I don't think he will be back. He has to delete 3 tweets to be allowed back on and that means accepting he was wrong which he is incapable of doing. I think he will just use his suspension to further his sense of being wronged
He's set up a Parler account, he'll just stay on there and all the knuckle draggers will head over and form their own vile echo chamber
He’s set up a Parler account
Has he? 😲 That is very very bad news if true. Parler is a whole different level of insane.
"Plus remember this is tiny percentage of Americans, a few hundred in a country of millions."
This is not a tiny percentage of Americans.
Some real contrasts in behaviour there... some very much up for "the fight", and others helping protect/help the guards under attack (while still wanting to push through).
I stopped watching at 10pm last night - how did the Trumpists eventually get cleared from the Capitol building? I can't see anything about that in the news coverage (I haven't checked the bonkers websites mind). I assumed they would all eventually go home for their tea/medication/feed the dogs or just get bored and wander off. Did anybody get tear-gassed?
Did anybody get tear-gassed?
Yes. #prayforelizabeth
tear gas already in the background of that video above.
Also in the US yesterday:
260,000 new Covid cases
4100 Covid deathsBiden is in for a hell of a tough few months!
He is, the human cost is horrendous, but from a political point of view he's got it much easier than Johnson.
His promise of 100m Vaccines in 100 days (30% of the population) from a running start, is probably more achievable than Johnson's 2m a week (28.5 million or 43% of the population in the same time frame).
Also, whilst their figures are terrifying, it's 'only' 4x the cases and deaths of the UK with 5x the Population and no formal lock-down. They've got the sheer size of their country to thank for that, but in most states their restrictions are far easier than ours, and in some places figures are dropping. We talk about 'Waves' in the UK, Scientists often say it's just "one big wave" but from the public's perspective, this is the 2nd or 3rd one, the US given it's size is still on their first one, it's been growing steadily, almost without pause since March.
Really, and this is just from a political point of view, Biden has gotten elected at exactly the right time. He can plausibly blame Trump for just about anything for his entire term (probably with good reason), he comes to power with a working vaccine (and more coming) and full control of the Country. If he was elected 6 months ago, he would have had the toughest peacetime first 100 days in History probably, if the election was 6 months from now, he might have lost. He's going preside over a massive Vaccine roll-out and the inevitable economic rebound. He doesn't even have to worry about re-election. Nope, it's all smiles, Aviators and Corvettes for Biden.
Nope, it’s all smiles, Aviators and Corvettes for Biden.
He's been in politics for nearly 50 years and is widely considered a pretty decent guy. I don't think he's going to take any joy from the current situation.
What’s happening in america is happening here, and the solution as I’ve been saying repeatedly is to engage with the people supporting the populists, rather than dismissing them. This is a wake-up call for the UK, and we can avoid descending into the mess the US is in, but only if we abandon our own embryonic culture war.
Sounds extreme but I think that's a very valid point. Someone needs to start making the connections and use it as a warning.
That's an aim, not a method. An aim that all politicians have. How would you achieve it?
Yes. #prayforelizabeth
Do you mean #sprayforelizabeth ?
Nope, it’s all smiles, Aviators and Corvettes for Biden.
He’s been in politics for nearly 50 years and is widely considered a pretty decent guy. I don’t think he’s going to take any joy from the current situation.
I didn't want it to sound that way.
All I'm saying is that if he got into politics for the right reason, to make other peoples lives better, he's been given the best opportunity and easiest route to doing just that as possible. He'll be saving lives from Day 1.
“Plus remember this is tiny percentage of Americans, a few hundred in a country of millions.”
I wouldn't be too sure about that:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/06/US-capitol-trump-poll
I was wondering whether the "inside job/collusion" was actually a democrat/establishment masterstroke..... give 'em enough rope 'n all that... leaves trump dead in the water (not that he much headway anyway though it's probably torpedoed any trump running in 2024).
Do you mean #sprayforelizabeth ?
there's a whole subsection of the internet etc etc
I was wondering whether the “inside job/collusion” was actually a democrat/establishment masterstroke
I think that could safely be described as a "incredibly high risk strategy". Can't see it myself.
On the other hand, the orange buffoon whipping up his nazi-lite chums, that's been going on since before he got elected in 2016, right?
So out of the 380million American popolution, what percentage of that mumber took it upon themselves to
a. _demonstrate
Then
B. - force their way into the Capitol building
. 0001 % give or take a digit.
I am not disagreeing with the level of Donalds support, thats a given. But there's a big difference between supporting a political party and then becoming an active protester in a riot where people died
260,000 new Covid cases
4100 Covid deaths
Not good for the USA - but their death rate per million is still (just) lower than the UK, and not rising (quite) as fast.
I am not disagreeing with the level of Donalds support, thats a given. But there’s a big difference between supporting a political party and then becoming an active protester in a riot where people died
The non-partisan stat in the middle though is the percentage of people who believe the election was in some way 'unfair' (I'll not use the term rigged or anything else more specific - just the percentage of people who don't fully trust the process or the outcome). That number is uncomfortably high.
Don't think you can have a go at those cops for letting them through, they were throwing some proper punches right there - short of shooting them they had little other choice.
Keep in mind that apparently the Capitol police are a slightly better breed of officer compared to the rest of the countries, so aren't expected to be trigger happy.
The coppers wading in and getting their punches in made me laugh. Shit job, must be hard not to let off steam on idiots like that.
I’ve seen the full video of the *protestor being shot.
There's one on Reddit now which shows exactly how it happened. Secret Service had attempted to barricade a door a few yards before the chamber with the VP, VP-elect and everyone else still in it. It was just them between the crowd and the people they are protecting, no swat team, no police. The window in the door was smashed, she was the first in the mob attempting to get through. Secret Service guy immediately shoots her. No warning, no warning shot, but you wouldn't, and shouldn't expect one at that point.
Oh well.
Feel sorry for the amount of shit that Secret Service chap will have to go through now.
Had force not been used at some point, it might have ended up with lawmakers dead and/or taken hostage - with the whole democratic process grinding to a halt.
No sympathy or shits given for her then
Another golden moment:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSceRvU3/
Reporter: “What’s the purpose of storming congress?”
Trumpet (while storming Congress): “How do I know?”
😳
Also chanting “Ooo-Ess-Aay” while assaulting the heart of American democracy.
Saying nothing
Well, one cult leader should be able to recognise another.
Military vet. Would have expected her to know what she might be facing...?
Not being black (or at home in bed) might be tricky to justify...
And just for the hell of it yesterday vs BLM:
Don’t think you can have a go at those cops for letting them through, they were throwing some proper punches right there – short of shooting them they had little other choice
True enough - I'm gobsmacked they didn't at least have batons even if not in full riot gear though. Throwing punches into a crowd is just as likely to end up with you breaking your hand. It wouldn't have helped much in scheme of things but they shouldn't have been put in that situation in the first place.
We shouldn't forget that on the day of the BLM protest in Parliament Square Boris put out 10 tweets encouraging his Pretorian guard of racist football hooligans to come and protect Winston Churchill's statue, (and to have a punch up with the Police and attack a few black people)
Identical strategy to Trump and the Republicans.
The far right seem to have been live streaming their insurrection
Loads of them IDd on twitter, people still trying to claim they were antifa agitators too 🤣🤣
Wonder what the prison sentences will look like?
Doubt it, that is literally the guy's only role in his job description.Feel sorry for the amount of shit that Secret Service chap will have to go through now.