Clearly your sarcasm function has not been transported in a Toyota fortuner -not sure it has the payload mind you.
trail_rat
70 series has all those things but not designed in a carry big loads capacity and they work as it’s been designed to be a nice place to be .
Except those that are designed to carry big loads. Must have a different colour interior.
trail_rat
Well individually each of those things is shit. See –similar age hilux. Has all those things….still a shit place to be.
Yes yes, you mentioned the tan interior. It seems as though your entire opinion can be summarised by the fact you prefer the interior comfort of one over the other. I was hoping you might actually have something informative to say.
Clearly your sarcasm function has not been transported in a Toyota fortuner -not sure it has the payload mind you.
Right, 'sarcasm'.
Why bother with this then?
Looking at it simplistically yes….. But it’s the package that works rather than any of those individual things.
Not sure what your point is.
Can I get it in more technical terms please ?
Why has a potentially good thread been turned into thin pointless bickering?
Why has a potentially good thread been turned into thin pointless bickering?
Because everything of interest that can be said has been said, but some people won't leave it at that. Threads are like pop groups - quit once your best work is done.
because angeldust turned up - as often happens when he does 😉 I'm sure its GW/Gary/what ever other banned names he has had . Its only purpose in life is to trolllolololo
Landcruisers are ace - and thats from a land rover fan.
I’m sure its GW/Gary/what ever other banned names he has had .
I don't recall GW/Gary, but I can tell you it wasn't me. I can only think you are confusing me with someone else who called you out for spouting nonsense :-). It's not just me though:
It seems as though your entire opinion can be summarised by the fact you prefer the interior comfort of one over the other. I was hoping you might actually have something informative to say.
He's not called Gary either btw. You've been given the opportunity above to backup your statements, but have been unable to do so, and resorted to calling troll instead. Well done.
Ok then educate us please, using as much detail or technical information you want.
I like Landcruisers too. Less keen on people who talk rubbish and don't like being called out on it (far too common on STW these days, unfortunately).
Not at all. I have given my opinion on why I think one vehicle is better than the other vehicle based on traveling in them both regularly.
Given they have one job and that's to transport occupants safely and reliably - I'd say occupant comfort and reliability were well covered in what I said. The fact it has old technology is moot if it works and doesn't need repairing all the time
You you focus on the fact that I describe it as a white car with tan interior ---- that's because it's a white land cruiser with a tan interior - shoot me for having eyes.
But you seem to enjoy being forum opinion police. Carry on.
And on another note -this forums getting unusable..... It's posting without me even pressing the post button while I'm typing now. Ffs
But you seem to enjoy being forum opinion police. Carry on.
I will, thanks. But it's not policing, part of a discussion (which is what the forum should be) is calling out/asking for clarification (delete as appropriate) when something is unclear, or clearly nonsense, or just a different opinion from your own. This is especially important when a user appears to offer their opinion as fact, when they have nothing to back that up, and are then resistant to any form of criticism or further discussion.
Watch out. Had a Landcruiser. Good on the Farm and not bad on road. Auto gearbox oil is fed through radiator. When radiator fails it is bye bye auto box. I would not buy another.
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I have given my opinion on why I think one vehicle is better than the other vehicle based on traveling in them both regularly.
A couple of things to point out. First off, you are comparing an FJ70 Landcruiser with a Fortuner and claiming that whoever suggested it should be shot. No one did. The fj70 you are talking about has nothing in common with the "Landcruisers" for sale in the UK. Absolutely nothing. The Fortuner is also not available for sale in the UK. So you're comparing two vehicles that aren't available to the op, which no one asked about.
Given they have one job and that’s to transport occupants safely and reliably – I’d say occupant comfort and reliability were well covered in what I said. The fact it has old technology is moot if it works and doesn’t need repairing all the time
You're claiming that the leaf sprung ladder frame vehicle is both more comfortable and more reliable. You've previously stated that pickups with IFS were superior to fully leaf sprung variants because they "didn't have a ride like a seasick dolphin". You also claimed that you would rather "crawl over broken glass" than have a Hilux (ladder frame, leaf sprung). Given that the Fortruner has independent multi link suspension front and rear and you're so sensitive to ride quality I'd have to take that with a pinch of salt.
You you focus on the fact that I describe it as a white car with tan interior —- that’s because it’s a white land cruiser with a tan interior – shoot me for having eyes.
The reason we both focused on that is because it's the least important, least relevant, least informative aspect of it. I was genuinely hoping that you might actually be able to impart some information as to why the FJ70 was so great despite it's incredibly basic, rudimentary and agricultural design but the only detail you mentioned was the colour, and yet you had the cheek to say that I was "looking at it simplistically" when I pushed you on the mechanical aspects.
This is relevant to the OP because the reputation for reliability enjoyed by the Landcruiser name is based largely on the FJ70 which is still popular in Africa, Australia and the middle East. Although the j60 and 80 had a good reputation the 70 is a much more basic, design with an engine that gets terrible mpg and wouldn't pass emission regs in the developed world. So you really didn't add anything to the thread other than misinformation and your opinion which ..... I think you also said something about a Berlingo with winter tyres being better off-road than a Hilux? .......yeah I think the OP should go to a dedicated Toyota forum.
2015 Prado Kakadu driver here - but I live in Perth, WA where this is just a normal car.
Couldn’t be happier. Done a few decent road trips with lots of road / bit of off road and it’s done what I’ve asked of it. Not had any big bills yet, though I’m looking at new tyres so that’ll cost - AU$400-500 per corner. I went petrol and obviously it uses a lot, though it’s not so bad once you’re out of town. Stick it in low range and hit the sand and it gets into single figure mpg though. Good job it’s got a 137l tank.
Drives fine for what it is. You know it’s a heavy thing so you drive accordingly - but coming from a van you’ll know that. Worth paying more to get the air / KDSS if that’s an option. Improves the ride on road and gets more articulation off road.
Seems well put together but I’ve not had mine long. Loads here on many 100k kilometres and still holding their value. Bills will be big when they happen.
Running a 2002 3.0 auto. Would recommend. Now done over 210k miles. Keep it under 55mph and mpg is very good for the size. Great acceleration, cornering not so good but a great cruiser.
I've got a Kia Borrego which is a ladder chassis, and it's great off road and towing, but bounces a bit on it. Great car though.
I'd go for one of the more modern monocoque efforts now. You don't lose much in terms of ruggedness and capability (except towing maybe ) but you gain an awful lot in refinement.
(The thin bickering is amusingly feeble and easy to ignore)
About the only major plus I can see for ladder frames these days over monocoques is the relative ease by which their suspension can be modified e.g. to lift the vehicle. It’s for this reason our next vehicle will likely have one, but living in Australia I’ve found the limits of 220 mm clearance a few too many times, and I can’t afford a Disco. Our next car is likely to be a 200 series Land Cruiser.
Well my 22yr old ladder framed horse is still providing smiles, shifted a family’s worth of kit bikes and sleeping children on holiday, then converted to mud plaything when it’s just too grim to get out on the bikes. Technically, it’s probably awful but it’s part of the family now.
Watch out. Had a Landcruiser. Good on the Farm and not bad on road. Auto gearbox oil is fed through radiator. When radiator fails it is bye bye auto box. I would not buy another.
It’s a £40 one hour job to fit a trans cooler and eliminate this ever happening in case the OP is wondering.
